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Re: “Abstinence-only preserved in Charleston schools

: “Abstinence-only preserved in Charleston schools”

JFrank, good for you but about 900,000 pregnant teens and those 19-24 years old have not been so lucky despite their condom use! And we all know that STD's are at epidemic proportions - 1 in 4 teenage girls has an STD.

You are honest to admit your place in the predictable bell shape curve. 20% of teens will have sex no matter what, 20% won't have it no matter what but the 60% in the middle are the movables who deserve to hear the benefits of keeping sex in marriage along with the realistic limitations of condom and contraception use. And we haven't even talked here about the emotional fallout of early sexual activity- well documented social science shows not only regret but higher rates of suicide and depression in this group. And no, I did not say the everyone has these consequences but at least teens should know the real risks going in and not be lulled into casual sex by the promise of the "safe sex" mantra. Even so-called "protected" sex is not always appropriate sex!
Posted by Your Name Here on July 8, 2010 at 1:10 PM

Posted by winningwell on July 8, 2010 at 1:14 PM

Re: “Abstinence-only preserved in Charleston schools

Here you go MTG.
I apologize for giving you the wrong link. This one will take you to the 17 studies I mentioned with a brief summary of study design, target population and outcomes. 7 are published and some are in process.


http://www.abstinenceworks.org/index.php?o…

Try to have open mind, perhaps we can actually make this about the health of youth and not about ideological agendas!

Posted by winningwell on July 8, 2010 at 12:06 PM

Re: “Abstinence-only preserved in Charleston schools

I just love the way you dismiss the 17 studies done across the country by independent evaluators from a variety of universities. Bingo- they are nothing more than Madison avenue spin. But of course the studies that show ineffectiveness of AE are gospel. Can't have it both ways if you want to keep your intellectual integrity even remotely intact. And while we are talking about effectiveness of programs, can you please tell me what you call "success" in the so- called comprehensive sex ed programs? The research is lean to none regarding long term outcomes and even sustained condom use ,the crown jewel of these interventions ( typically 3months), is dismal.
Debra Miller says"we can do better" I agree. Getting kids to use condoms is hardly a measure to be proud of. Showing them there is more to relationships than condom negotiation skills is a start.
Drop the ONLY bit if you are interested in understanding the real core of abstinence education. It is a moniker of misinformation that opponents like to use to give the impression that this is the "only " thing we talk about. Most abstinence classes talk about the realistic limitations of condom and contraception use. Risk Reduction is compared to Risk Avoidance in an honest and direct way. Stop in sometime -no set of behaviors is ignored as you suggest.
And may I remind you that 2/3 of the schools in America teach comprehensive sex ed. Only 1/3 have abstinence education and yet any rise in teen pregnancy is laid at the feet of AE. You are correct to assert that there is no one solution but the efficacy you claim regarding CSE is very questionable. Your approach has had the lion share of money and schools for nearly 30 years so how is that working out for you?

Posted by winningwell on July 7, 2010 at 10:30 PM

Re: “Abstinence-only preserved in Charleston schools

MTG, I am very familiar with the research, thank you very much! May I refer you to more recent data:

http://www.psych.umn.edu/courses/spring06/…

http://www.abstinenceassociation.org/docs/…

You insist on believing that there is no effectiveness and yet these studies not only show effectiveness but you will see that the Jemmott study showed the abstinence intervention bested the outcomes of the safe sex intervention among high risk, urban youth. In the second reference you will find 17 peer-reviewed studies showing positive outcomes along multi-variant indicators.

You embarrass yourself by reducing the issue to an all or nothing debate. By simply parroting the "abstinence doesn't work" line you show yourself to be given to an overly simplistic analysis of a complex issue. Perhaps you fall in the same camp as the anti-abstinence, "expert" witnesses, at a hearing this past March on Capitol Hill who, when ask if abstinence programs were found to work would they support them all but one responded "no". That is truly the "just say no" message of condom enthusiasts!

Posted by winningwell on July 7, 2010 at 7:41 PM

Re: “Abstinence-only preserved in Charleston schools

It looks like the Latex-only crowd is quite worked up here over the recent vote by the Charleston School Board to keep abstinence education as a viable option in schools. However, the board, seeing through the ideological bias of the Sexual Health Advisory Committee, who were unable to find one good thing in 1,200 pages of Heritages' materials, delivered a resounding victory to parents, teens and schools by their vote!
For those who simply wish to mis-characterize what abstinence education teaches and refer to it as "crap" ,thankfully you are not in positions of responsibility for the health and well-being of youth. The complex problem of teen sexual activity is not covered by a condom-only approach. There are no easy answers or silver bullets. Our youth need the holistic approach offered in abstinence classes to help them with Healthy Relationship training, the benefits of having children AFTER marriage and a clear understanding of the realistic limitations of condom and contraception effectiveness among many other related topics. The Charleston School board apparently sees the value in such an approach too. Stand against this blatant attempt to censor information!

Posted by winningwell on July 7, 2010 at 2:04 PM
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