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Re: “Legislators shouldn't meddle in the affairs of CofC-MUSC

Higher Education, Tech and Cultural Subcommittee
FY 14-15 Appropriation Bill

Well worth your while to watch if you want to know how this censorship went down in committee.
go to:

scroll down on right to:
Wednesday, February 19, 2014 2:15 pm
House Ways and Means Committee -- Ways and Means Committee part 3

start at 10 minutes:
10:15 Limehouse, Chair Subcommittee
13:20 Skelton, White advises that have to adopt lines before amend
14:30 Cobb-Hunter and Limehouse, White brief explanation
16:50 vote - adopted with one dissent Cobb-Hunter

then to 1 hour 28 minutes until the end of meeting

Skelton Amendment number 64.
10-13 motion failed.
begin 1:28:50
end 1:56:55

Ms Cobb-Hunter refers to the following quote:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

Martin Niemöller (1892-1984) “was a prominent Protestant pastor who emerged as an outspoken public foe of Adolf Hitler and spent the last seven years of Nazi rule in concentration camps.”
“The quotation stems from Niemöller's lectures during the early postwar period. Different versions of the quotation exist. These can be attributed to the fact that Niemöller spoke extemporaneously and in a number of settings. Much controversy surrounds the content of the poem as it has been printed in varying forms, referring to diverse groups such as Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, Jews, Trade Unionists, or Communists depending upon the version.”

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Posted by llihcruhC on March 14, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Re: “Upstate Republican wants to punish CofC for urging students to read award-winning book

"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."
— Noam Chomsky

Banned & Challenged Books
"A challenge is an attempt to remove or restrict materials, based upon the objections of a person or group. A banning is the removal of those materials. Challenges do not simply involve a person expressing a point of view; rather, they are an attempt to remove material from the curriculum or library, thereby restricting the access of others. As such, they are a threat to freedom of speech and choice." http://www.ala.org/bbooks/

"If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind. Were an opinion a personal possession of no value except to the owner; if to be obstructed in the enjoyment of it were simply a private injury, it would make some difference whether the injury was inflicted only on a few persons or on many. But the peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it. If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error."
— On Liberty, John Stuart Mill

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Posted by llihcruhC on February 24, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Re: “S.C. Sen. Mike Fair drops opposition to evolution teaching standards

Sen. Mike FAIR really should be paying attention to his responsibilities as Chair of the Senate Corrections and Penology Committee, a position he has held for quite some time.
That is, if he can drop his gag posture. Evolution is not the only topic he likes to squelch.
February 6, Bryan Stirling, since appointed Director of the Department of Corrections, appeared before the Corrections and Penology Committee to answer questions regarding his appointment.
FAIR tried to preempt discussion of Judge Michael Baxley’s judgement against the department for mistreatment of the mentally ill, Fifth Judicial Circuit Court January 8, 2014. (1)
FAIR’s directive was appropriately put aside by Senator Kimpson while questioning Stirling, yet FAIR interjected, deeming the topic “not appropriate for this committee because of the lawsuit.”
Kimpson’s response in part, “…I think that the state using resources to appeal this matter is what we should be concerned about.”

HALEY is not forthcoming about this matter either.
Maybe it is because of the $838,000 the state has spent in legal fees prior to Judge Baxley’s decision. (2)
Maybe it is the additional legal fees the state is poised to spend fighting Judge Baxley’s decision. (3)
Maybe the national exposure will help. (4)
Maybe we need to do something. (5)

(1) Ruling, Order to generate a plan, 6 month time frame, pdf download link here
(2) 838K fighting instead of 838K fixing
(3) SC response, motion filed to ‘alter or amend’ or the state will appeal, more state resources and time diverted from addressing the problem.

(4) On the day of the ruling, Mike FAIR said: "I didn't know that we had a problem with any particular aspect of mistreating or not treating inmates who have a diagnosis of mental illness."
(5) a letter to the editor

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Posted by llihcruhC on February 15, 2014 at 6:45 PM

Re: “Guns in bars: Because what the Lowcountry needs is more people from Ohio

response to obviousdusty
re query - penalty for carrying a weapon while intoxicated, in a bar or otherwise?
penalty if CWP holder carries and drinks in a bar

- section I B(1) may be charged with a violation of subsection (A).
"...consumption on the premises is guilty of a misdemeanor, and, upon conviction, must be fined not more than two thousand dollars or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

16-11-330, 16-11-620, 16-23-460, 23-31-220 - also in (A) cover, in order - robbery, entering or refusing to leave, concealed carry w/out CWP, right to post no weapons allowed, w/ infraction same as 16-11-620, and adding penalty for subsequent offenses.

The last sentence in (A) reads: "In addition to the penalties described above, a person who violates this section while carrying a concealable weapon pursuant to Article 4, Chapter 31, Title 23 must have his concealed weapon permit revoked for a period of five years."
so the minimum is a nominal fine, and the maximum is $2K AND 2 years...
plus a 5 year CWP revocation
additional information not cross referenced in S308
SECTION 23-31-400. Definitions; unlawful use of firearm; violations.
(A) As used in this article:

(1) "Use a firearm" means to DISCHARGE a firearm.

(2) "Serious bodily injury" means a physical condition which creates a substantial risk of death, serious personal disfigurement, or protracted loss or impairment of the function of a bodily member or organ.

(B) It is unlawful for a person who is under the influence of alcohol or a controlled substance to use a firearm in this State.

(C) A person who violates the provisions of subsection (B) is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be fined not less than two thousand dollars or imprisoned not more than two years.

(D) This article does not apply to persons lawfully defending themselves or their property.
SECTION 23-31-420. Presumptions.
I summarize the defining ranges.
- equal to or less than 0.05 - it must be presumed that the person was not under the influence of alcohol.
- 0.05 to less than 0.08 -does not give rise to any inference that the person was or was not under the influence of alcohol to the extent that his normal faculties were impaired, but this fact may be considered with other competent evidence.
- equal to or greater than 0.08 - creates an inference that the person was under the influence of alcohol.
another reference:

SECTION 16-17-530. Public disorderly conduct.
Any person (c) while under the influence or feigning to be under the influence of intoxicating liquor, without just cause or excuse, discharge any gun, pistol or other firearm while upon or within fifty yards of any public road or highway, except upon his own premises, shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction shall be fined not more than one hundred dollars or be imprisoned for not more than thirty days.
so obviousdusty,
there are a lot of qualifiers, such as 'within 50 yds of a public road' and definitions, such as 'use = discharge'

Posted by llihcruhC on February 13, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Re: “The Agenda: Cold weather back?; Buckeyes in the Palmetto State?; Guns-in-bars bill to be signed

Haley will sign S308 into law Tuesday. Feb. 12 8:30AM. All are welcome to attend the festivities! Posted Saturday on her fb: "Please join us as I sign the Concealed Carry Reform Bill into law Tuesday morning at 10:30, 1st floor lobby of the Statehouse. Everyone is invited! Happy Saturday!"
Meanwhile at least one good guy just couldn't wait. SC CWP holder Edward Shipmann was arrested January 1st for public disorderly conduct and unlawful carrying of a firearm in a bar (Wild Wing Cafe, N. Market). Uh, yep, he was drinking.

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Posted by llihcruhC on February 10, 2014 at 2:08 PM

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