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Comment Archives: Stories: News+Opinion: Will Moredock

Re: “It will take more than goodwill to heal this state

Look closer into Henry Ford's wage increase of the day and than come back and apologize to Trollslayer.

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Posted by artrogue on July 16, 2015 at 6:29 PM

Re: “It will take more than goodwill to heal this state

It's already started: http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/bre…

Raising costs results in raising prices of just about any product.
Perhaps we should teach more math and business economics.

" If a restaurant increased prices to cover the cost of their min wage employees, our demand for their food will drop"
Thus resulting in former employees receiving no wages instead of minimum wages.
What a wonderful idea.

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on July 16, 2015 at 4:53 PM

Re: “It will take more than goodwill to heal this state

Increases in minimum wage do not cause inflation. If you want to claim that they do, please provide data from previous min wage hikes. The reason is that most of us do not make minimum wage. If a restaurant increased prices to cover the cost of their min wage employees, our demand for their food will drop. We will choose substitutes like eating more meals at home. Thus businesses must take the hit for the cost of the wage hike or alienate their non minimum wage earning clientele who have not gotten wage increases.

Perhaps we should teach more economics.

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Posted by Fish Pimp on July 16, 2015 at 4:12 PM

Re: “It will take more than goodwill to heal this state

"But we also need a pay raise in this state"

If we need a pay raise in this state, it is largely because of inflation. What was once enough, no longer is. The problem with artificial wage increases is they cause inflation, thus self-defeating. This is why we keep coming back to this issue time after time.

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Posted by driver eight on July 16, 2015 at 1:26 PM

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"a prosperous workforce spreads and magnifies the prosperity."
So you agree - a prosperous workforce is an educated and valuable workforce, not a briefly (until prices quickly catch up) overpaid minimum wage workforce.

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on July 16, 2015 at 10:34 AM

Re: “It will take more than goodwill to heal this state

Dear, trollslayer. They all said Henry Ford was mad when he chose to pay his workers $5 a day, enough so that they could buy the automobiles they were building. Result, a boom not a catastrophe. Similar wage improvements have had similar results.

There are many medicines that may have negative side effects but we weigh the risks and the benefits and, far more often than not, we take the medicine and enjoy the benefit. I draw that analogy before I mention unions but thanks to unions and unionization, we have all benefitted with a richer, freer and productive life and society.

We didn't get televisions and computers because of cheap labour on Asia, we got them from good wages in America. That corporate hogs seek to fatten their profits by milking the cow from both ends, doesn't change the reality that a prosperous workforce spreads and magnifies the prosperity.

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Posted by profcuestroke on July 16, 2015 at 10:28 AM

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"figured a man of your rhetoric would be touting more investment in education."
Warwit has the right idea here; the way our of poverty is not minimum wage increases but rather education to learn a skill that is actually worth something.
It is unfortunate that both political parties now have to resort to bribery to keep their bases happy; the Republicans through ruinous tax cuts; the Democrats through price and inflation increasing minimum wage hikes.

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on July 16, 2015 at 9:16 AM

Re: “It will take more than goodwill to heal this state

Increase wages; increase prices. Who gets hurt most by the price increases? Why those who are just getting by to start with.
You know, those who just received the minimum wage hike.
There is a word for this: It's called inflation.

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on July 16, 2015 at 8:50 AM

Re: “It will take more than goodwill to heal this state

Will Moredock for Governor! No, President!

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Posted by tupper29406 on July 16, 2015 at 7:46 AM

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I have 800 words to make my point and my space was used up. Yes, we need more investment in education -- a lot more. We need a progressive tax structure -- rather than the most regressive in the nation -- to pay for that education. But we also need a pay raise in this state, something that would give people a little hope, that would allow them a little breathing space, that would ease the stress and tension of just paying the rent and buying the groceries. People who are living from hand to mouth are angry, intolerant, easily frightened, easily manipulated. Of course, a lot of people like it that way, but it does not make for good governance or a good society.

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Posted by Will Moredock on July 16, 2015 at 1:13 AM

Re: “It will take more than goodwill to heal this state

God, you had to go and ruin an otherwise well thought out article by all but suggesting a minimum wage increase as the ultimate solution. As if the rate at which low-skill labor is compensated really matters in the grand scheme of things. I figured a man of your rhetoric would be touting more investment in education. Although I realize that puts you in a predicament where you can't blame the white man for everything since a great deal of that must start at home.

I can get on board with most of your high-and-mighty brand of intellectual elitism in this piece. But "raise the minimum wage so black people can thrive" is about as superficial as it gets on CCP.

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Posted by warwit on July 15, 2015 at 9:31 PM

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"The intolerance of my flagrant bigotry is ALSO bigotry" said no logical person in the history of mankind.

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Posted by leemajors on July 15, 2015 at 2:03 PM

Re: “It will take more than goodwill to heal this state

The attitudes like those displayed in this column is the reason that any healing will be held back. You want to see people come together and work for the common good? Stop demanding that everyone believe the way that you do. Show a little tolerance of others beliefs and opinions. Stop calling every white person who disagrees with you a racist. Or every white Christian a homophobe. Maybe have a positive outlook and say, yeah sure, maybe some people will never change but this will also inspire so many more to start thinking about finding solutions to these issues that work for everyone and together we can make it happen.

Instead of always being a bitter, negative prick why not celebrate the goodness that came from just one situation for once. This is probably one of the best displays of unity and finding common ground I have seen in my lifetime. Not just in taking down the flag, but in the way that Charleston handled a tragedy. Celebrate it, don't stomp on it.

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Posted by nofaith on July 15, 2015 at 1:13 PM

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Thank you for making my case about YOUR intolerance of opposing views.

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Posted by truthrus on July 15, 2015 at 1:08 PM

Re: “It will take more than goodwill to heal this state

'You'd be on the ground had you said that to my face!'

'since I'm a mature adult...'

lol.
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'You people' meaning all 'you people' that refuse to think beyond your own impression of the flag. All 'you people' that refuse to accept that someone else can be offended by something you are not. All 'you people' that don't understand what censorship really is. All 'you people' that are willfully obtuse in defense of a defenseless symbol of hate. All 'you people' that don't actually understand what the first amendment means. All 'you people' that are living a daily persecution complex. All 'you people' that refuse to accept the intentions of the confederacy from the mouths of the confederates themselves.

Clear enough?

Racist? Your reading comprehension continues to fail you miserably.

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Posted by leemajors on July 15, 2015 at 11:32 AM

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Well FU Lee, I didn't attack anyone with my comment so who the hell gives you the right to talk to me like that? You'd be on the ground had you said that to my face! But moving on, since I'm a mature adult...
"...also be banned...from display on Public property." Does that help your obvious lack of reading comprehension and critical thinking skills?

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Posted by Native76 on July 15, 2015 at 9:54 AM

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"Goddamn you people are dense and devoid of critical thinking skills. And reading comprehension." Who are "You people"? Sounds like an intolerant racist rant from a person who resembles their remarks.

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Posted by truthrus on July 15, 2015 at 9:40 AM

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'also be banned'

No one is banning its existence--it just has no place on state property. Goddamn you people are dense and devoid of critical thinking skills. And reading comprehension.

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Posted by leemajors on July 15, 2015 at 9:07 AM

Re: “It will take more than goodwill to heal this state

So then should the American flag, Bible, and any other item that an undesirable group uses also be banned? Pretty sure the KKK has carried the American flag more often than the Confederate flag. And as far as min. wage...are you ready to pay twice as much for your burger served by people who are annoyed they're even working?

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Posted by Native76 on July 15, 2015 at 8:39 AM

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While your article was thought-provoking, it failed to mention the primary problem in South Carolina; the lack of education. Regardless of all the laws that are passed, and all the symbolic events that are enacted, not much will change for the average South Carolinian unless people in the state ascend from the bottom rung of the educational ladder.

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Posted by William Plaster on July 15, 2015 at 7:45 AM
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