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Comment Archives: Stories: News+Opinion: Will Moredock

Re: “It will take more than goodwill to heal this state

Continued from Ninablackhill

We shall not overcome anything. As Martin Luther said. We shall not be judged by the color of our skin but the content of our heart. Really.. Please.
The black haters have the black panthers saying kill all white family and kill all the white babies. Hate comes in all colors.
Not just by ones carrying a flag.
And as long as white people says nothing at all because they don't want to seem racist.
Tell me why black people all making things always about race. When there is the following. Jett magazine- (all about blacks) Ebony magazine- (all about blacks)
Black history month+,(,all about. Blacks)
Miss Black America-,( all about Blacks)
And the black awards- (honering only black actors and actresses). Yet they cru out about race and if the white people were to have Anything that was all white all hell would break out. The NAACP would start a race war and everyone would be marching in the streets to protest..if you want to move forward and stop making everything about Race then it has got to start somewhere. As long as there is things just for one race it will NEVER happened. NEVER. You can't have it both ways.
And you my friend who wrote this new article is what I called a white iddot. You may have a job and you think you are on top because you have a news title. You are also a hater. You claim people who carrying the confederate flag as uneducated rednecks. Who are you to sit injudgement of others. Saying if you support or carry the flag you are a low life. You are a hater. And no one should judge anyone but God. I say the world.is in w mess.and you sure didn't help matters with this article.

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Posted by ninablackhill on July 21, 2015 at 11:55 AM

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This article is bull. So removing a.flag is going to make the world a better place aBuymeveryone is going to sit around the camp fire and sing songs. Wow amazing Grace how sweet the sound. Wrong.
The same fool would killed the people in the church was also holding the american flag while it burned. Hate is hate it has no race, no education level,no money level.Hate is hate. A.flag doesn't make people haters only a person heart can do that. Sure they can carry a flag or paint symbols on their body to portray their hatered. But their hate is on the inside.
What happened in the past will Never be changed. It happened.
Years ago I watched a documentary it was filmed in Africa in a African tribe. The king of the tribe was the one talking about Africa he spoke about Slaves. He said that the Slaves in the US and other countries were slaves in Africa first. When a man was put into slavery his entire family was also consider slaves. The country had to many slaves and they were sold to the highest bidder. And sold to many people thorough out the world. He told of his life as a king of his tribe and he showed people the tribe how they live. Amazing how he was carried everywhere because his feet weren't allowed to touch the ground. Now people here will argue this is Bull. That all white people are cruel and bad people. I am white and my grand parents came from Germany,England and my great Grandmother was Cherokee Indian. With all the history of what was done to Indians. Yes it was horrible.
You don't see the American Indians starting race wars and they don't have their version of the NAACP. I am so tired of hearing about race. Yes we are different and we all have a past. We can only change the future not the past. Aa long as there are haters in the world blaming everything on race and not their heart.

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Posted by ninablackhill on July 21, 2015 at 11:27 AM

Re: “It will take more than goodwill to heal this state

"The true impact of a higher minimum wage isn’t just a raise for minimum-wage earners. It’s essentially an across-the-board wage hike for just about everyone who gets paid by the hour."

And a dramatic pay cut to those who are at the bottom who will no longer be employed. I will be looking forward to dining in your Charleston restaurant that pays everyone $15 per hour and has prices comparable to all of the other ones. It should last about a week.

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Posted by nofaith on July 20, 2015 at 9:51 AM

Re: “It will take more than goodwill to heal this state

pure economic bullshit.

Facts are not liberals’ strong suit. Rhetoric is.

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Posted by artrogue on July 18, 2015 at 10:11 AM

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"What would happen if we increased the minimum wage to $10.10, as president Obama proposes? The managers would most likely request a similar percentage hike in order to keep the same wage gap they once enjoyed. So, the restaurant would have to increase the salary of the managers, even though they already earn above the minimum wage.

The true impact of a higher minimum wage isn’t just a raise for minimum-wage earners. It’s essentially an across-the-board wage hike for just about everyone who gets paid by the hour."


Troll, this part of the Mike Meyer story is true. It's called "upward pressure". At the same time, we should be drastically increasing the number of top marginal tax rates. The point of the high marginal rates is not to raise money, it's to produce what's called "downward pressure" on wages. Rather than pay a 90% tax rate on the CEO bonuses, that money will be spent retaining the various VPs and secretaries within the company who are important to the company's success, but who pay much lower taxes. The result of the pressure from the top and the pressure from the bottom will be a thriving middle-class and an exploding economy where everybody gains.

I like to use the NBA salary cap as an example. We all know that Lebron is underpaid based on talent. But because teams must spend a floor and because individual salaries are capped, someone like our own Khris Middleton of the Milwaukee Bucks just scored a $70 million dollar contract. Way to go Khris! At the same time, the LA Clippers sold for $2 billion. Everybody in the NBA wins. Ownership, management and labor. And instead of competing to see who can be the greediest person with the biggest paycheck, Lebron competes for rings and glory in the record books.

It's really the way to tackle inequality and it's one of the reasons that the NBA is better than MLB these days.

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Posted by Fish Pimp on July 17, 2015 at 6:46 PM

Re: “It will take more than goodwill to heal this state

Deep Breath.....
I have to admit, I read the city paper's Views articles more as entertainment than anything else, just to see what these "experts" have to say. I suppose I should preface my comment by saying that I am neither a Democrat or Republican, left or right, and that thankfully I am of my own mind and can make my own opinion.
But after reading the articles on here (actually in the paper itself) from Mordock and Haire, I just can't not say anything.
Nothing brings out the pious, sanctimonious and know it all's more than a tragedy. Not being from the south,and also being 50 yrs old I always considered the rebel flag a bit of a joke, a red neck's emblem if you will and never could understand why it was ever flying again after the South's surrender, but after reading Moredock's article "After the Flag" i sat bemused that this fella actually believes what he was writing. The condescending gibberish he wrote was pathetic to say the least. Saying that those who follow or "believe" in the Confederate flag are just all dumb, uneducated hicks is pure insanity. That also, those who are GOP'ers are the only ones who supported the flag, utter nonsense if i ever heard it. Then Haire rambles on about just how important it was to the world to bring down that flag as if, honestly, it would actually make a difference to anything ! "Predictably, the losing side" isn't taking this well" he spouts as if there was a winner or loser in such an idiotic plight. However, the "winners" aren't good winners, either, as witnessed by the pompous diatribe he calls an article. It is cool to and trendy trash "whitey" , especially when a white on black incident occurs, but nothing and I do mean nothing disturbed me more than the wholly contrived and hysterical rant by Jenny Horne in the halls of government !
Oh what politicians won't do and say when the world is watching ! Where oh where has such "passion" been before this horrible tragedy ? Where has the ranting,foot stomping and tears been from her and her cronies prior to all this on subjects like the pathetic way they control domestic violence, the poor , the pathetic state of education in the state, the decrepit state of our roads and infrastructure etc etc etc
Let's face it, when the world is watching, politicians will act accordingly, but, when for the other 99.99% time, nobody is watching, they act like themselves and nothing gets done,so we get people such as Moredock and Haire come crawling out to tell us all just what bad people we really are and that they have known better all along.
Pathetic!!

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Posted by theresmoretotheworld? on July 17, 2015 at 3:27 PM

Re: “It will take more than goodwill to heal this state

Unemployment rates as of May 2015 according to BLS:

San Francisco = 4.1

Seattle = 4.4

Charleston = 5.7

The stupid is out of control, but keep believing the truthiness of your anecdotes.

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Posted by Fish Pimp on July 17, 2015 at 10:10 AM

Re: “It will take more than goodwill to heal this state

Like most liberal policies raising the minimum wage will hurt the very people it is meant to help. Businesses can't just raise prices at the snap of their fingers and in the mean time several will close forcing people who can least afford it out of work. Initially it will have employers letting go lower skilled workers in favor of people with more experience in skills who will now be willing to go into those positions because the wage is higher, forcing the people who can least afford it out of work. It will drive companies to innovate ways to have fewer employees through automation, again, driving the people who can least afford it out of work.

But, I say if you want to pay entry level, lower skilled workers $15 and hour, go for it. Open your own restaurant or hotel or whatever and see how it works. See how many bankers will invest in your business plan when you say stuff like "yeah, I am going to have 50% higher labor cost," and please where a go pro so we can all watch them laugh and fall down. See how long you can operate at the same price structure as your competition making less or potentially no profit. See how long you can keep your people employed at the higher wage when you are not making enough to cover any wages.

It sounds great, let's pay everyone a minimum $15 an hour, but the problem is that what that really means is everyone that is employed gets that. The people who are not employed will not get that and that number increases. It is happening in San Francisco, it is happening in Seattle and every where else that they raise the minimum wage to significantly higher than the minimum wage. In the end it hurts the most the people who it is intended to help.

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Posted by nofaith on July 17, 2015 at 9:21 AM

Re: “It will take more than goodwill to heal this state

http://cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofile…
Of particular interest is the part about increasing minimum wage increasing worker replacement by machines.
http://www.dailypfennig.com/2014/07/13/hig…
This one is just to show that I too can search the internet to find a site that says what I want it to say.

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on July 16, 2015 at 11:30 PM

Re: “It will take more than goodwill to heal this state

"How fucking lazy are you?"
Too lazy to learn how to read minds. How am I supposed to know what studies you are referring to if I don't ask?
And as I suspected, as always anyone can find somebody on the internet who will tell them what they want to hear.

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on July 16, 2015 at 11:21 PM

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I guess we shall see in the long run.

Always glad to see how much liberals say they love and care about others and Conservatives are so mean and evil.....than... BAM ..people like Shah Burnham and her employees at this Pizza parlor feel the real pain of left leaning misguided policies.. and you just sit back and call these real people.. anecdotal evidence.

"We reached out to 15 Now Seattle, the organization that pushed for the higher minimum wage. Director Jess Spear hadn’t heard about Z Pizza’s decision to close. So she wouldn’t comment specifically on that, only saying: “Restaurants open and close all the time, for various reasons.”
Jeran wonders about all the rallies that were supposed to be about making life better for people like him.
“If that’s the truth, I don’t think that’s very apparent. People like me are finding themselves in a tougher situation than ever.”
Shah Burnham is concerned about where her employees will end up when she does close.
“I absolutely am terrified for them. I have no idea where they’re going to find jobs, because if I’m cutting hours, I imagine everyone is across the board.”
We asked Seattle’s mayor and City Council members if they had anything to say about this closure or the other business owners who might be struggling to adapt to this new wage law. But we have not heard back from them yet."

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Posted by artrogue on July 16, 2015 at 9:22 PM

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well, our education system is run by Liberals from Washington. need any more excuses on that issue ? The local people have given our system over to them now what ?

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Posted by Clarkie on July 16, 2015 at 8:49 PM

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Artrogue, I trust that Troll will recognize that the site merely lists studies conducted at places like UofChicago and Harvard and Princeton. Your Forbes article claims one pizza place as evidence of something. Maybe conservatives have trouble with evolution and climate change because you don't know the difference between anecdotal evidence and statistical significance.

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Posted by Fish Pimp on July 16, 2015 at 8:47 PM

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First of all..anyone that reads the posts on here and makes an effort to discuss issues is not lazy. Of course, since you don't share his opinion ..well..that makes him ??

Probably Troll was smart enough to know that site is a biased load of crap.

You cannot raise the minimum wage willy nilly and not expect an increase in costs.
I wish we could all make 20+ dollars an hour, but we do have to operate in the real world.
From Seattle's increase:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/20…
http://q13fox.com/2015/04/28/owner-of-pizz…

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Posted by artrogue on July 16, 2015 at 8:15 PM

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How fucking lazy are you? There is an actual website called http://raisetheminimumwage.com with all the details you need. It took 2 seconds to find.

Here is the research on joblosses

http://www.raisetheminimumwage.com/pages/j…

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Posted by Fish Pimp on July 16, 2015 at 7:56 PM

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"actual economic studies of raising the minimum wage show very little impact on consumer prices or employment, historically."
Perhaps you could link us to these studies.

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on July 16, 2015 at 7:37 PM

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Now you've compounded your mistake by including employment. As opposed to claims made by companies like Chipotle, actual economic studies of raising the minimum wage show very little impact on consumer prices or employment, historically. In fact, many economists argue that we should keep raising the wage until the impacts are measurable.

If Chipotle loses business, it'll be to Moe's, who will keep their prices down, and there will be no negative impact on the economy, only loses for Chipotle and gains for Moe's. Moe's will make up for the loss in margin by an increase in volume, as more people on minimum wage can afford to eat out.

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Posted by Fish Pimp on July 16, 2015 at 6:36 PM

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Look closer into Henry Ford's wage increase of the day and than come back and apologize to Trollslayer.

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Posted by artrogue on July 16, 2015 at 6:29 PM

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It's already started: http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/bre…

Raising costs results in raising prices of just about any product.
Perhaps we should teach more math and business economics.

" If a restaurant increased prices to cover the cost of their min wage employees, our demand for their food will drop"
Thus resulting in former employees receiving no wages instead of minimum wages.
What a wonderful idea.

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on July 16, 2015 at 4:53 PM

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Increases in minimum wage do not cause inflation. If you want to claim that they do, please provide data from previous min wage hikes. The reason is that most of us do not make minimum wage. If a restaurant increased prices to cover the cost of their min wage employees, our demand for their food will drop. We will choose substitutes like eating more meals at home. Thus businesses must take the hit for the cost of the wage hike or alienate their non minimum wage earning clientele who have not gotten wage increases.

Perhaps we should teach more economics.

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Posted by Fish Pimp on July 16, 2015 at 4:12 PM
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