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Comment Archives: Stories: News+Opinion: Will Moredock

Re: “The Southernization of the American Economy

Right, because UAW all unions are bad and workers SHOULD be oppressed.
Great point Cid. Here, I'll try what you're doing...
Our children should work themselves to death on Sundays in factories for no pay, and if you're against it, you don't understand the inherent value of hard work and don't treasure your employers enough.
Let's paint broadly with vapid platitudes thinner than a coat of that paint.

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Posted by landsnark on August 14, 2015 at 8:32 PM

Re: “The Southernization of the American Economy

Nothing to do with unions driving up the costs of business to unsustainable levels. Huge pensions. Workers on the payroll not contributing but not able to be fired. Inherent inefficiencies ("not in my union job scope").

Got it. You've got all the answers!

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Posted by Cid95 on August 14, 2015 at 12:00 PM

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Yeah that auto industry was totally torpedoed by unions--definitely not rampant mismanagement and shitty cars.

:eyerollsohardmywindowsexplode:

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Posted by leemajors on August 14, 2015 at 9:39 AM

Re: “The Southernization of the American Economy

The present state of the US steel, seafarer and auto industries are great examples of what unions "create".

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Posted by Cid95 on August 14, 2015 at 9:23 AM

Re: “The Southernization of the American Economy

Well, there's incredible irony in pro-corporate conservatives decrying the 'lack of creation' by unions while simultaneously supporting the dead-weight 'management' field that has proliferated and littered corporations with overpaid, do-nothing executives.

Unions do create--they create a reliable means of recourse for aggrieved workers, a level playing field for employee arbitration, and a conciliatory environment where workers can ask for their fair share of the profits.

Wages are largely level over the past thirty years, while corporate profits are higher than ever--and the anti-union campaign and the rise of Reagan-era suckboys within government is to blame.

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Posted by leemajors on August 14, 2015 at 9:10 AM

Re: “The Southernization of the American Economy

Conservatives love to claim that they are being repressed, but they rarely recognize the violence inherent in the system.

"The most fundamental fact about labor unions is that they do not create any wealth.
They are one of a growing number of institutions which specialize in siphoning off wealth created by others,"

That this is said with zero irony is outrageous. It's exactly backwards. It is the wealthy who create nothing but merely siphon off the profits from the work of others. And they add insult to injury by paying little to no tax on it.

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Posted by Fish Pimp on August 13, 2015 at 7:40 PM

Re: “The Southernization of the American Economy

About time someone wrote about this! I couldn't agree more. Years ago, I worked for a very successful company in Charleston, owned by a blue blood South Of Broad family, with an attitude that was right out of Gone With The Wind. We even had a Yankee overseer. Fortunately, because of the regulations for this type of business, we had more diversity than most. But I remember a talented co-worker telling me how he was so poor that he had to make his payments to the phone company in installments. When it came to us underlings, there was clearly a "field hand" mentality at our plantation.

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Posted by Hank Putnam on August 13, 2015 at 1:56 PM

Re: “The Southernization of the American Economy

HELP ! I'm being repressed !

hahah sure thing Sam.
btw does that go for everyone posting..memes?, links? you tube? cartoons? photos?
Or it is just for those of us that don't share the city paper's opinions?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS_1bzaj2f…
HELP ! I'm being repressed ! :)

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Posted by artrogue on August 13, 2015 at 10:31 AM

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artrogue, please no copying and pasting from other sources. We're generous with what we allow to be posted in comments, but please don't copy and paste others' original work.

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Posted by Sam Spence on August 13, 2015 at 10:11 AM

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You better check your so called usage of the word "theft". ha !

It is only theft, if the Creator or the Author opposes or rejects your usage. Please contact the author or creators of anything you think i "stole" and see if they would like me to cease and desist. I'll wait on the letter.

I'm a creator so i obviously know the law i sure don't need your opinion.

The message is important. I hope you read and learn something.

Your free to reject, oppose or ignore otherwise ... pfftttt

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Posted by artrogue on August 13, 2015 at 9:41 AM

Re: “The Southernization of the American Economy

Here is your first reading recommendation.

http://www.amazon.com/Race-Economics-Discr…

"Walter E. Williams applies an economic analysis to the problems black Americans have faced in the past and still face in the present to show that that free-market resource allocation, as opposed to political allocation, is in the best interests of minorities. He debunks many common labor market myths and reveals how excessive government regulation and the minimum-wage law have imposed incalculable harm on the most disadvantaged members of our society."

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Posted by artrogue on August 13, 2015 at 9:27 AM

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Posting other people's work with zero attribution is theft, artrogue.

Why don't you have any respect whatsoever for intellectual property or copyright law? It's hard to take your conservative tripe seriously since, apparently, you don't take it seriously yourself.

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Posted by mat catastrophe on August 13, 2015 at 9:24 AM

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Mr Moredock, no doubt, feels good about himself when he writes this drivel.

I suggest he read some more on the actual history of unions and minorities in this country before you think this is just some continuation of southern racisim.
In the United States, back in what liberals think of as the bad old days before there was a federal minimum wage law, the annual unemployment rate during Calvin Coolidge's last four years as president ranged from a high of 4.2 percent to a low of 1.8 percent.
Low-income minorities are often hardest hit by the unemployment that follows in the wake of minimum wage laws. The last year when the black unemployment rate was lower than the white unemployment rate was 1930, the last year before there was a federal minimum wage law.
The following year, the Davis-Bacon Act of 1931 was passed, requiring minimum wages in the construction industry. This was in response to complaints that construction companies with non-union black construction workers were able to underbid construction companies with unionized white workers (whose unions would not admit blacks).
The annual unemployment rate for black teenagers has never been less than 20 percent in the past 50 years, and has ranged as high as over 50 percent.

Incidentally, the black-white gap in unemployment rates for 16-year-olds and 17-year-olds was virtually non-existent back in 1948.
But the black teenage unemployment rate has been more than double that for white teenagers for every year since 1971.

This is just one of many policies that allow liberals to go around feeling good about themselves, while leaving havoc in their wake.

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Posted by artrogue on August 13, 2015 at 9:23 AM

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The biggest myth about labor unions is that unions are for workers.

Unions are for unions
Corporations are for corporations
Politicians are for politicians.

The most fundamental fact about labor unions is that they do not create any wealth.
They are one of a growing number of institutions which specialize in siphoning off wealth created by others, whether they are businesses or the taxpayers.
There are limits to how long unions can siphon off money from businesses without facing serious economic repercussions...
The foremost example being:
The legendary John L. Lewis , head of the United Mine Workers from 1920 to 1960, secured rising wages and job benefits for the coal miners, far beyond what they could have gotten out of a free market based on supply and demand.
John L. Lewis' strikes that interrupted the supply of coal, as well as the resulting wage increases that raised its price, caused many individuals and businesses to switch from using coal to using oil...leading to reduced employment of coal miners.
The higher wage rates also led coal companies to replace many miners with machines.
The net result was a huge decline in employment in the coal-mining industry, leaving many mining areas virtually ghost towns by the 1960s.

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Posted by artrogue on August 13, 2015 at 9:01 AM

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Of course, there is nothing new in any of this. "The South's aversion to both minimum-wage standards and unions is rooted deep within the DNA of white Southern elites," Meyerson writes.
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Moredock, for your next piece, you'll need to describe how it's possible to articulate this without being attacked or having your nationality questioned. Usually I start getting shot at upon the very mention of Unions. But my aunt always told me that going door to door espousing my political views would catch up with me one day. She was right. But I digress.

Describing why being anti-union while turning a blind eye to the exploitations of big oil, big pharma, big telecom, etc. is ironic usually becomes impossible about the time the word "union" is mentioned. Middle class South Carolinians probably cut off their nose to spite their face more than any demographic I can think of.

What if we renamed unions to something like "family values" or "that's capitalism" and then proceeded on about our merry way of advocating for workers' rights in this state? Would most of the folks who lash out at the mention of a level playing field even notice? Would they even care if they weren't trying to shout louder than the mouthbreather standing next to them, who has allowed the Republican party to convince him that he's worth only about 70% of his true market value?

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Posted by warwit on August 12, 2015 at 9:16 PM

Re: “The Southernization of the American Economy

"Wages in counties where a Walmart has been operating for eight years, economist David Neumark has found, are 2.5 percent to 4.8 percent lower than those in comparable counties with no Walmart outlets."
And how much lower are prices and the cost of living in general?

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on August 12, 2015 at 5:30 PM

Re: “The Southernization of the American Economy

Because in a free market, the poor and ignorant advocate in the interest of their ~*~*~future fortunes~*~*~.

The manager of your local McDonalds probably has strong views on the Estate Tax.

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Posted by leemajors on August 12, 2015 at 10:22 AM

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The great irony of course being that a lot of the people who suffer the most from these practices are also the most vocal supporters of the idea of the Free Market.

I don't understand why anti-union people can't apply their off-balance reasoning to corporations. "Some unions are thuggish and counter-productive - that means we should ban all of them forever!" But in the meantime let's not question the shady behavior of any corporation or advocate for proper regulations so they don't completely destroy our economy, standards of living, health and environment.

Just like in the past the lower class whites were mad at the newly freed slaves instead of the system, today we see lower and middle class people from coast to coast lashing out at people on welfare or unemployment benefits.

The misdirection of their anger has allowed our supposed representative republic to devolve into an oligarchy of elite private interests that's greed is non-partisan. Middle and lower class conservatives are getting just as fucked as everyone else, but instead of questioning why this is happening and advocating for change they would rather just bury their heads further in the sand and blame gay marriage and immigrants and Obamacare.

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Posted by Ron Liberte on August 12, 2015 at 9:48 AM

Re: “South Carolina continues to neglect the I-95 corridor

How about we stop blaming each other and just help the children!!!!

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Posted by Marino Garbin on August 12, 2015 at 12:33 AM
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