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Re: “How to keep fighting for a more equitable Charleston

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Posted by Cid95 on February 13, 2018 at 2:12 PM

Re: “How to keep fighting for a more equitable Charleston

"Systemic racism in schools is that schools with many minority kids, which have lots of kids in families living in poverty, are not being funded adequately. They need small classrooms, plenty of individual attention by teachers, plenty of counselors. While schools with very few kids living in poverty do not need such things." - Tom Martin

You can pull up the Charleston County Public School District's budget, as I have, and find that there are no indications of racial bias between schools. And why would minority children need smaller teacher/student ratios or more individual attention than white children? Your comment sounds very racist. Are you suggesting that black children are genetically less intelligent or genetically have more behavior problems? Are you suggesting that black children have more mental issues and need more counseling? What exactly are you describing? Because, without being specific, your suggestions sound like another example of racism being masqueraded as liberal democrat "progressivism."

Banks don't care about what race you are. They care about your credit score and the likelihood that you will pay back a loan. You're just an account number. It is true that the average black person has a lower credit score, but that is a product of their own actions. That isn't the bank's fault.

"the Federal Reserve Board says that credit scores vary substantially among racial and ethnic groups, but have made credit more available for major consumer purchases such as buying a home. " https://www.sfgate.com/realestate/article/…

Even the credit score agencies were accused of being "wayyyycist." You see, any time that blacks lag behind whites in any category you automatically blame racism every single time instead of exploring other causing factors such as family structures and culture and behavior. Congressionally mandated researchers as well as Federal Reserve economists studied the credit scoring models and determined there were absolutely no racial factors in the formulaic scoring system. So even computer calculated algorithms that lack a conscious and aren't even programmed to acknowledged race are accused of being "wayyyycist" by the race baiting liberal democrat progressive neo-marxists who don't want to live in a post racial society and want to RACIALLY blame innocent white men and women for the failures in the black community such as the 77% rate of single black motherhood (as reported by CDC) which I believe to be one of the most crucial causes of these many societal ills.

I already commented several times about the phony lawsuit against Trump's make believe housing discrimination and yet fools want to continue to bring it up. It's laughable they went back to the 1970's to try to find something racist Trump ever did. The case was so phony that the Fed's settled and Trump never had to claim any guilt. Trump didn't even want to settle, but his attorneys were going to charge him far more to continue to fight the case than a settlement would cost in which the Feds didn't even have enough evidence to demand he admit guilt. Heck, they weren't even accusing him of not renting to blacks. The Feds admitted that Trump did indeed rent housing to many blacks! Their phony lawsuit tried to claim he didn't move applicants who were on welfare (both black and white) into the penthouse luxury suites because he was "wayyyyycist." We know how the story goes. Furthermore, the Trump attorney team could prove that they discriminated against applicants on welfare both black and white, and that the discrimination was against applicants who lacked the income and credit to prove they could make timely rent payments. I know many Democrats in Charleston who own rentals and who not only do credit score background checks (*GASP* racist democrats checking credit scores!!!! how racist!!!!) but also do criminal background checks. I've helped manage many of their properties! Since blacks on average have lower credit scores and on average have higher rates of crime hence criminal records, you could claim that any landlord doing such checks is an eviiiiil wayyyyycist! How about you go spend your entire life savings and take out a loan to buy rental properties and then rent them to people with low credit scores with criminal backgrounds to prove to all of us how NOT racist you are Tom Martin? We won't hold our breath because you won't do it. That would make you what? A hypocrite? Another Democrat Fraud? I'm asking you. Please rent an apartment or a house to a black tenant with a low credit score who is on welfare who has a criminal record and then you can prove you are innocent of what you accuse Trump of. Okay?

Charleston police officers aren't out there acting like rogue gestapo and targeting innocent black people. What a lie. Most of the scenes police officers show up to they were dispatched to by Charleston County Consolidated Dispatch. So the police aren't just pulling random people aside to prey upon. They spend most of their day answering 911 calls. If a disproportionately high number of 911 calls are to address suspects that are of color, then who are you then accusing of being racist? The victim who called 911? The 911 dispatcher? Why don't you ignorantly accuse some more people of being racist? Because, certainly, it couldn't possibly be the effect of black people simply committing crimes at a higher rate? Nahhhhhh. It couldn't have anything to do with many blacks' music and culture glorifying violence, drug dealing, clubs, pimping, objectification of women, etc. Nahhhhh. It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that over 50% of black children grew up with no black father around, with less than 2% of the public school teachers being black males. For many of these black children, they have no black male role models around other than the ignorant, violent rappers they see on BET or the ignorant black football players who donate money to cop killers (Colin Kaeperprick). That would mean that we would have to hold members of the black community responsible *gasp*. For liberal democrat progressive neo-marxists, it's easier to just blame white Christian heterosexual males for every problem in the world. That's the easy, cowardly, racist thing to do at least. You claim you aren't racists, accuse other people of being racists, but make baseless accusations against white people proving that YOU are the racist. Get it?

Why do you think there is an income gap between blacks and whites? Again, you want to take the ignorant, uninformed, lazy, cowardly route and accuse every business owner in Charleston of being an evil racist rather than use logic and reason to investigate root causes. Again, black children perform lower in school. They lack the disciplinary structure of having nuclear families and a father around. Less black children go to college and take their studies seriously. The odds are against them. On average, and keep in mind no one has to be an average or a statistic, blacks have some of the lowest IQs in the entire world population. It is okay for a Democrat to claim that blacks are genetically better at sports, but if a scientist claims that blacks are genetically less intelligent then all of a sudden they can't accept that. I don't see an army of Democrats demanding a solution for the disproportionate number of professional black athletes in professional sports? Wouldn't that indicate systemic racism against whites in professional sports? Or do you pick and choose when you want to believe in science and genetics and when you want to cry racism? I know many very successful black men and women. Many of them have better job titles than I do and make far more money. The majority of them have military experience (they are orderly, objective, know about honor and duty and respect) and came from families in which both their black mothers and fathers were married and together. Try to imitate other successful black people who aren't rappers or dumb jocks who lucked out and made it to the NFL/NBA!

James D. Watson, the co-discoverer of the DNA helix and winner of the 1962 Nobel Prize in medicine, told the Sunday Times of London that he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours whereas all the testing says not really." For that he was attacked and ruined. The man who DISCOVERED DNA made a scientific observation that didn't fit your political correctness, fabricated utopian view of the world so the media destroyed him. And again, let me stress that no one has to be a statistic. There are incredibly intelligent black men and women in the world. There are incredibly stupid white men and women in the world. There are outliers and tails to every bell curve. Perhaps they don't teach that to liberal performance arts students or brainwashed kids studying social grievances in college and graduating with no marketable skills an employer would want. Obviously he was wrong, because Africa is such a thriving region of the world today, isn't it? What? It's not? I notice none of you race baiters mention the slaughter and genocide of white farmers in South Africa by black racists. Doesn't fit your script?

I used to get stopped and frisked by police too. I'm not black. It's because when I was a young punk I used to blast rap music and have big rims and tint on my car. I fit the stereotype of a drug dealer. Not just my vehicle but the way I dressed. Drive through a quiet, rural town and that kind of stuff brings attention to you. Purposely bringing attention to yourself and then crying racism when you get that attention is silly. Why conform to the evil racist white man's norms? Why not show up to a job interview with your pants sagging around your knees, your hat backwards, and tattoos all over your neck and smelling like pot? Are job interviewers wayyyyycist too? Some of the other commentators claim yes.

Think about the people you are lazily and recklessly accusing of being racist. You are accusing the Charleston County school district of being racist. They conform with all equal employment opportunity laws and meet all standards and accreditation. They have a diverse workforce that reflects the demographics of Charleston. Heck, Charleston County and City governments actually have an OVER representation of black employees in comparison to the demographics of the greater Charleston community. Blacks are OVER represented in local government! Yet you accuse them of being racist? You are accusing many blacks and non-whites of being racist. You are accusing many people who have dedicated their entire careers to helping children in exchange for low salaries of being racist. They've done more for these children than you fake do-gooders ever have. You are also accusing a diverse police department, headed by a black chief of police for most of the last several decades, of being racist. So black police officers and a black chief of police are racist too? But your sorry, self loathing white liberal democrat progressive neo-marxist sorry @ss is the only one who is NOT racist? What a sham!!! You guys are something else!

The Charleston Area Justice Ministry is a joke. I know because I was on the committee when the social justice warrior group first infiltrated many churches in Charleston and embezzled Christian tithes and offerings around 2011. Treva Williams and her organization, Direct Action and Research Training Center, are basically just political action groups for the DNC. Each year they'd act upon Obama's racially based marching orders soon after each of his State of the Union addresses each January. When I attended several CAJM meetings in which the congregations of many churches assembled, there was much anti-police sentiment. At the time, crime was a subject of concern. Rather than blame the criminals for actually committing crime, CAJM preferred to blame the police for actually arresting people who broke the law! What is a police officer supposed to do? Check some kind of quota notebook? "Oops, looks like we already arrested two black criminals today. We'll have to let this one go so no one calls us racist" says Officer Democrat Doofus. After I went to the first Nehemiah action event at the St. Matthews Baptist Church and saw a bunch of racially based accusations against politicians by race baiters trying to use the attendance number as leverage, I knew it was a dirty operation and soon after confronted the elders in my church, demanded the church pull out of the program, and ultimately surrendered my own participation. They did the same thing that fraudulent democrats do. Accuse teachers of being racist. Accuse police officers of being racist. Accuse local politicians of being racist. Their solution to everything was to blame white people.

In 2016 they bullied County Council into giving hundreds of thousands of dollars to SC Legal Services for "wage recovery." This was money stolen from local taxpayers who pay their residential and commercial property taxes and pay County taxes through the sales tax. The wage theft accusation was bunk. A pizza deliverer accused a local pizza parlor owner of robbing him of approximately $2,500 in wages. The pizza owner claims the employee would clock in, leave for many hours at a time, not deliver pizzas, milk the clock, then come back in and clock out. The owner eventually decided not to pay the deadbeat employee. But the CAJM, which doesn't really do any "ministry," only believes fake victims and doesn't consider both sides to the story. My tax dollars paid over $250,000 to a bunch of lawyers who are friends with members of County Council to recover what was supposedly $2,500 in lost wages. That REEKS of corruption and CAJM is complicit. Personally, I think Treva Williams and her band of Democrat social justice frauds should pack their bags and leave and stop stealing money from our local churches. I'll even go as far to say that I strongly doubt that most of the insider members of DART even genuinely believe in Christianity!!!

I seriously doubt Jeremy's "justice organizations" are actually carrying out justice. I question whether or not they even know what justice really is. In matter of fact, I'll assume they are actually doing more to prevent police and our courts from carrying out justice than they are doing to enable them. Police can't fabricate enough evidence to massively convict hundreds of thousands of black criminals for felonies and violent crimes nation wide. We have a very sophisticated court system in which prosecution has the more difficult task of proving a case beyond any reasonable doubt. Then the accused gets several appeals. To ignore mountains of evidence that blacks are indeed committing violent crimes at a disproportionate rate, and instead suggesting that millions of police officers, law clerks, attorneys, judges, and lawmakers are all evil racists (many of them not even being white!) is a bunch of cr@p and you know it.

And here we are. The typical liberal democrat progressive neo-marxist garbage about evil white racism and how racist Charleston is and how racist Charleston teachers are and school administrators and government employees and politicians and police and not a shred of evidence. The real racists are the liberal democrat progressive neo-marxist frauds who continue to make baseless accusations and slander and defame good people. It's cowardly. Do something meaningful, like hold the black community responsible for problems in the black community? Geez, is that too much to ask? You can't be a fake VICTIM and be a LEADER at the same time. So stop pretending to be a victim and choose to be a LEADER for once. You can begin my demanding that black men begin marrying the black mothers of their black children. Is that too much to ask? Or perhaps black women should raise the entry fee and make black men marry them before they give black men what they get for free and then disappear when their responsibility is needed. One of my jobs is in the service industry. These "strong proud black men" don't even pick up the bill the majority of the time for their black ladies. Black women are paying the bills for the black men who won't marry them and won't support their own black children. Then black women are left raising the children on their own and using the government as husband and daddy. But you think evil white people are the problem? Sometimes the truth is disturbing. Being a liar or a fraud or blaming other people isn't a solution.

America is the least racist nation in the world. The Washington Post published a story and survey claiming the same. There is no one who has done more for people of other ethnicities, races, religious backgrounds and creeds than the white Christians in America. There's no affirmative action for non-black minorities in Africa. what have Asians done for non-Asians? What have South Americans done for non-Hispanics? Americans are the most giving, charitable, and fair people in the entire world. You think that by pushing the white guilt button you'll keep getting free coins out of the slot machine. I never owned any slaves. Neither did my parents or their parents or their parents. I didn't step on any black people to get to where I am. That garbage doesn't work on me. Take your white guilt or hate whitey garbage and take it somewhere else.

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Posted by Neo Marcist on February 12, 2018 at 7:22 PM

Re: “How to keep fighting for a more equitable Charleston

Geez, how much white guilt can one person have? Maybe you need to move to Stall Road in North Charleston and show how much you care about the "lower class". I'm sure a white, gay man with such privilege issues would do just fine in the trailer park right off Ashley Phosphate. Oh, you've never been to North Charleston? Except maybe a trip to the coliseum to see a concert? Oh it's easier to discuss issues with your fellow privileged upper class white folks and what little we are doing while sipping your latte from your recycled cup while sitting on King.

I've lived here in Charleston off and on for 20 years. It used to not be like this. Meaning we all got along, we didn't have people like you preaching how awful all us white people are. Now people like you are moving here in droves. Creating a city that most here don't recognize anymore. White flight will happen here soon, not because of the hate of minorities or gays or any garbage people like you spew. But because that friendly little jewel of a city will be overrun with people who hate themselves and must project that on everyone else. So thanks dick, for being a cog in the wheel of bringing this city down. That and traffic, traffic sucks.

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Posted by Brad 1 on February 10, 2018 at 12:41 PM

Re: “How to keep fighting for a more equitable Charleston

The income gap between white and black workers in Charleston is the same as it was 50 years ago. The National Academy of Sciences found in 2017 that hiring discrimination in the US hasn't declined in 25 years. Apart from being a celebrated columnist, Jeremy pastors the oldest church in Charleston and is co-president of the Charleston Area Justice Ministry, which recently won the prestigious Harvey Gantt Triumph Award for "enduring contributions to civil rights" by rallying thousands of people at annual assemblies to demand specific policy solutions from our elected officials. Among other wins, the organization has achieved the implementation of public school programs that have dramatically cut down on suspension rates and approval of a third party audit of the police department to investigate racial bias. Jeremy also contributes tirelessly to countless other justice organizations and is an incredible theologian and spiritual teacher who gives hope to the hopeless while lifting up the least of these brothers and sisters of ours in this Holy City. #facts https://hbr.org/2017/10/hiring-discrimination-against-black-americans-hasnt-declined-in-25-years

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Posted by Taylor Allred on February 7, 2018 at 9:35 PM

Re: “How to keep fighting for a more equitable Charleston

Systemic racism in schools is that schools with many minority kids, which have lots of kids in families living in poverty, are not being funded adequately. They need small classrooms, plenty of individual attention by teachers, plenty of counselors. While schools with very few kids living in poverty do not need such things.
Systemic racism in housing is shown by the fact that some banks still practice redlining, even though it is illegal. But now the Trump administration does not wan to enforce the ban. Also some apartment owners discriminate against blacks and other minorities wanting to rent apartments. After all, Trump himself was sued once for doing that, he had to settle the suit, pay money.
Systemic discrimination in law enforcement is shown by the fact that many blacks are being stopped on the streets or in cars, sometimes even frisked, often for no reason except they are black. Our senator Tim Scott himself remarked he was sometimes stopped like that. I was never stopped like that. No wonder, I look white. Senator Scott looks black.

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Posted by Tom Martin on February 7, 2018 at 1:07 PM

Re: “How to keep fighting for a more equitable Charleston

"I spend a lot of time working in the community with others on the seemingly intractable ills of systemic racism in schools, housing, law enforcement, and religion."

Can you provide specific examples of systemic racism in our schools, housing, law enforcement, and religion? Perhaps proof for those who are too busy in the toil of their daily lives to see it or for those unconvinced of what you perceive as being a dire problem? And then can you provide specific examples of how you addressed each of those specific findings?

Otherwise, your article is just vague, emotional white guilt which you should have saved for your therapist, not post in the online version of Charleston City Paper.

I never owned any slaves. Neither did my father. Neither did my grandfather. Neither did my great grandfather. I didn't step on any black people to get to where I am now. It's hard for me to relate to your white guilt complex, but I'm open to discuss facts and empirical data and proof of these problems you claim. The emotional stuff you'll have to save for a psychologist.

I'm not sure why you even mentioned President Trump? You could have just as easily mentioned Barack Obama and called him out for apparently not solving these problems during his 8 years as president.

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Posted by Neo Marcist on February 7, 2018 at 10:59 AM

Re: “Plastics don't make it possible

Ron Liberte,

You are mad at the wrong man. All the plastic bags I use from the grocery store end up in recycle bins. Where they go from there is up to the County government.

Let's not pretend like your magical cloth bags are so wonderful. This study UKEA found that your stupid totes are more harmful to the environment than plastic bags.

"In 2008, the UK Environment Agency (UKEA) published a study of resource expenditures for various bags: paper, plastic, canvas, and recycled-polypropylene tote bags. Surprisingly, the authors found that in typical patterns of use and disposal, consumers seeking to minimize pollution and carbon emissions should use plastic grocery bags and then reuse those bags at least onceas trash-can liners or for other secondary tasks. Conventional plastic bags made from high-density polyethylene (HDPE, the plastic sacks found at grocery stores) had the smallest per-use environmental impact of all those tested. Cotton tote bags, by contrast, exhibited the highest and most severe global-warming potential by far since they require more resources to produce and distribute...[Plastic bags], even though they dont easily degrade, require very few resources to manufacture and transport. They produce less carbon, waste, and byproducts than cotton or paper bags. Theyre recyclable. Theyre cheap. For all those reasons, theyre ubiquitous. And they remain, long after their usefulness is exhausted." https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/arc…

Now you are the one being intellectual inconsistent, perhaps claiming some benevolent, environmental moral superiority without taking into full consideration the environmental cost of the alternatives.

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Posted by Neo Marcist on January 20, 2018 at 3:42 AM

Re: “Plastics don't make it possible

"If grocery stores offered a discount for me bringing cloth bags, I'd have a greater incentive to forego the plastic bags."

So you want to be subsidized in order to alter your behavior, but you are fundamentally against subsidization unless it benefits you. And that is the perfect fucking summation of why we can't have nice things. If you're going to ramble, please at least be intellectually consistent.

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Posted by Ron Liberte on January 15, 2018 at 6:14 PM

Re: “Plastics don't make it possible

Interesting article by Mr. Jeremy Rutledge. I like that he researched data from the local Citadel college. It's great when local journalists involve the studies being conducted by local academics at our many universities.

I have more questions and hope someone can assist me in researching them.

1. How much of the recyclables we put in our blue recycle bins actually gets recycled?

2. How does much of this pollution make it into the marsh and sea? I suspect littering. Littering is already illegal, but often difficult to enforce and difficult to prosecute. Perhaps wind blows trash out of outside trash bins? Perhaps there is spillage when the trash trucks come and pick up our trash each week?

3. The best way to reduce plastic bottles, outside laws laws laws, is to come up with a marketable, low cost alternative. Either that, or to come up with a greater incentive for consumers to recycle those bottles properly. Perhaps a more robust home recycling method, such as segregated trash cans that organize and compact waste? The same goes for plastic bags. They are very cheap to manufacture and produce, whereas cloth bags sometimes go for $10 each. It costs less than a penny to produce each plastic bag, but 1000x that much for a cloth bag. That's part of the problem. Don't expect all cost conscious people to change with that great of an upfront cost discrepancy.

4. Supposedly, Charleston County has a Materials Recycling Center that should be coming online soon. Officials fumbled the project by making bad real estate decisions. Some investigation and FOIA can find many errors in the decision making process. But I expect options to become better once it goes online. Did you know that a large percentage of Charleston County waste is transported to the upstate? Do you have any idea the cost and fossil fuel consumed while transporting many, many tons of trash to Horry County?

5. One of the primary things I disagree with Mr. Jeremy Rutledge is his statement "let's ask our public officials to lead the way." I don't think we should look to government to lead the way. It's not even their area of expertise. If grocery stores offered a discount for me bringing cloth bags, I'd have a greater incentive to forego the plastic bags. Try different things besides just passing regulations and laws. It seems to me we already have enough laws. There's other ways to accomplish the results we want without having a coercive government forcing you to behave a certain way. With each law, it costs money for government to enforce it. And whether you are a Democrat or a Republican, I think we can all agree that government does things inefficiently due to the size of the bureaucracy, the cost of pensions, and its inability to effectively be cost conscious (i.e. they raise taxes but rarely ever cut them). Government is also not as innovative as the private market. This is proven by the fact that we have a landfill at the edge of the County instead of one that is centrally located, we transport most of our local waste to the upstate by expensive fossil fuel burning means (big trucks, trains), and don't even have a good recycling plant up and running in 2018 (Materials recycling facility delays, bad real estate deals (corruption?), over budget, etc.). So stop looking to the government for solutions. They repeatedly keep dropping the ball. Go back up to #1 in my list. I don't think you'll like the answer you find out.

6. Our recycling program (the blue bins) costs money. You'd think that the recycling of materials might generate enough revenue to offset the cost of the program. Wrong. It costs taxpayers money to support the program. Recycling is still too expensive. Wouldn't it be great if the revenue generated from the raw material recovered from recycled waste generated enough revenue to offset the cost of recycling in the first place? Economics, people! A Citadel student or entrepreneur who could solve this problem could become rich or make a great, positive change for society!

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Posted by Neo Marcist on January 15, 2018 at 8:47 AM

Re: “Plastics don't make it possible

I agree. What ever happened to glass bottles? These people in charge care more about the next rallying point on fake news than actual governance for the well being of their own country.

The fact that Senator Lyndsey Grahams government still allows asbestos to be used in construction materials is proof enough that they are pigs letting shit slide because of lobbyists and luncheons. The corporates always want the cheapest quick way to make a buck and NEVER think of long term consequences for the earth/people. Our government dances to the whims of the highest bidder in this state.

The problem is we have no ability to LEGALLY force a vote on anything in this state with petitions. Our senators pick and choose what THEY WANT to vote on in order to look good here.

I would say, "add the POWER TO PETITION VOTES to your amendments list you PORK FRIED SC politicians as opposed to adding ALL of those sexual misconduct and abortion amendments. ~how else are the SC politicians going to know what to vote on?????? Call the bank?

It an all out inbred f***fest with poiticians out in Columbia these days im telling you. They are just LAZY RICH PEOPLE who are grossly incompetant at their government jobs over in columbia), They are trying so desperately to hold on to all the money they can get to funnel through this state they don't give a damn about us at all.

This lack of POWER OF PETITION in SC is not a very progressive or inclusive way to govern people or even consumers.

Then the BRITISH BANKING CROWN OF TONY bLIAR (ALL HAIL king VISA!)convinces SC POLITICIANS to act like the world is overpopulated and start wars, because they historically have been behind every war in modern history by soreading their racist IDEOLOGIES that the Queens standard of living is the only way a CIVILIZED HUMAN BEING LIVES.

Im not down with the crown crap, and I don't think our forefathers thought to much of the "paper crown" crap either... They were rugged Americans!

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Posted by zee on January 10, 2018 at 6:31 PM

Re: “Plastics don't make it possible

plastic in landfills will be our future energy. We will mine the landfills

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Posted by Randall Floyd on January 10, 2018 at 11:52 AM

Re: “As you head to the polls, consider if your voice has been heard

Yes, too much suffering in the Charleston area, and all over the US and all over the world. It is sad.

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Posted by Tom Martin on November 4, 2017 at 5:00 PM

Re: “White Christianity is part of the problem

Any article calling for self-reflection on race in this country will be met with the same boos from the same chorus of birds, every time. 'Worst. Article. Ever' 'Libtarded racist idiot!' All sorts of word salads to express peoples' genuine distaste for self-reflection and their absolute lack of any grasp of history. These are the same people that think the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia's battle flag that was raised over the statehouse in the Civil Rights Era was done so completely coincidentally out of a sense of "heritage." They are the same people now who are hemming and hawing over the understandable, heritage-based intentions of the torch-wielding human garbage in Charlottesville.

Good luck, Mr. Rutledge.

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Posted by factoryconnection on September 6, 2017 at 12:45 PM

Re: “White Christianity is part of the problem

Jeremy, You have spoken the truth but reading the comments I can see you've only scraped off the white veneer to reveal the lily white primer coat of people so self-satisfied that they don't really understand what it is you are trying to say. One of the respondents above suggested you use Google. Apparently they are so self absorbed they don't realize you can't "google" racism, slavery, or white supremacy and actually get what it feels like-- on the receiving end.

Before I was born in the "white section" of the Orangeburg County Hospital [in the 1950s] my great-grandmother told my father he should have nothing to do with Jews because they were the "Christ Killers". My great-grandfather was a retired VA doctor who became a Southern Baptist deacon. At the age of five I remember the 20 foot fences around Bob Jones University in Greenville with "armed student patrols" to keep them ------ out and the "Chain gangs" of men, mostly black, locked in heavy chains wearing striped uniforms while they built roads and cleared ditches with only shovels and rakes.

These things led my parents away from South Carolina and it eventually led me away from Christianity. My folks never really lost their ingrained racism even though they "escaped" to California. I recall my mother calling MLK a "womanizing communist"... Yet the teaching of Jesus [and of the Prophets] was at least in part based upon redistributing wealth and the care of the stranger.

I bought into the "White" exceptionalism until I fell from grace-- down into a place of darkness where "lilly white" Christianity rejected me. I found I had no need for a teaching which so prided itself on how good it was and how evil the sinners are [read "sinners" as: foreigners, the prisoner, the poor, the orphan, the "different", the handicapped, or the old]. I had wandered for 40 years in the desert and finally I was alone in the darkness with no where to go but some place different.

It took me 20 years before I converted to Judaism here in Charleston. Of course I discovered that my relatives here in the Charleston area still believe that Jews are "Christ Killers". Yet the Torah [the one that Jesus read and the one still read today] calls us to help the stranger, the prisoner, the poor, the orphan, the 'different', the handicapped, or the old "for we were strangers in the land of Egypt."

I don't think most of the respondents above "get it" because they've never known poverty or the chains of the prisoner or been a stranger in a strange land. All they've ever known is their "exceptional heritage". I know quite well that when someone uses the word "Heritage" they are in fact defending "white privilege".

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Posted by JoeCro on September 5, 2017 at 6:35 PM

Re: “White Christianity is part of the problem

This is the most ridiculous article I've ever read. First, define "white Christianity/white church". Is it every church that doesn't have an "AME" label? Is about congregation demographics? Is it Methodist, Baptist, Catholic, Lutheran, Mormon, or Jehovah's Witness? Your term "white Christianity" is very broad, vague and thoughtless.

As far as the Church you attended while growing up, I'm sorry you experienced a congregation that spoke with a sense of colonial exceptionalism. That is not what the Bible preaches nor is it right to practice. However, just as much as the "white church" you attended was preaching bad faith, what makes the stories of the other church you visited right? Did you visit any other churches (since that's what they're called) besides the 2 mentioned in the article? Did their message have the same sense of colonial exceptionalism?

Although, the most damning thing about your article is the conversation you had with the Princeton professor. We have someone teaching America's next generation that there are only 2 ways, "one was white, the other black". America will never get past their race issues if everything continues to be literally black and white.

Along with this, there are so many other issues with this lackadaisical attempt of an article, but I do not have the time to go through everything. Try harder next time bud, utilization of Google might help.

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Posted by Drake23 on September 5, 2017 at 2:36 PM

Re: “White Christianity is part of the problem

Brandon, the pastor is trying to unite us racially, not divide us by race.

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Posted by Tom Martin on September 1, 2017 at 3:00 AM

Re: “White Christianity is part of the problem

What I liked about this piece was that there was no mention of God or Jesus. Jeremy Rutledge is a true humanist when he indicates that the religious and nonreligious (Im an atheist) should cooperate in building a better society as we struggle to achieve freedom, dignity, and equality for all, regardless of race, color, creed or sexual orientation.

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Posted by Herb Silverman on August 31, 2017 at 6:33 PM

Re: “White Christianity is part of the problem

I belong to a white christian church. Since it's inception a decade ago we have been fully committed to philanthropic endeavors that spread across our great land trying impact people of all color. Pastor or not you sir are one liberal idiot. Could liberals live one day without thinking of ways to divide us by race?

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Posted by Brandon Stevens on August 31, 2017 at 10:20 AM

Re: “White Christianity is part of the problem

Church is for the weak (brainwashable) who need something magical to believe in and lean on during hard times. And they need something formidable to guide them to keep from going astray - they need god to be moral. But, alas, the guidance part is being ignored by today's followers because selfish judgment has taken over and their Jesus' teachings are being tossed aside.

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Posted by tupper29406 on August 31, 2017 at 8:14 AM

Re: “White Christianity is part of the problem

Randall, you don't really realize who are truly the ones trying to divide us by race.

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Posted by Tom Martin on August 30, 2017 at 8:18 PM
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