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Re: “McConnell must do a lot to earn the respect of CofC students

Welcome to the real world! Obamacare was passed through brokered deals behind closed doors. It happens on both sides of the political spectrum.

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Posted by Lauri Truesdale on July 17, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

The 'hoody' is not the exact issue of why he was stopped. The media LOVES to harp on this to try to make it a race issue (even though the cop was not white himself). He was wearing unusual clothing for the weather. Clothes that can easily conceal a weapon. He was in a high crime neighborhood. And yes, if you'd like to include race, then who commits the majority of violent crimes in those neighborhoods? Young black males.
Curnell then turned to him with a far away look in his eyes (yes, according to the cop, but now that we all know the depression he suffered from, doesn't that make sense?) and kept his hand in his pocket. He refused to take his hand out of his pocket when asked. A cop does not need a warrant to ask you if he can speak with you and to request you show him your hands in order for the officer to feel safe. Curnell escalated the situation by not complying. It was an extremely tragic situation that followed.

They hired the cop to do a certain security job - that is, to identify suspicious individuals and help to deter or prevent crime. He was working in a well known high crime neighborhood. Using his law enforcement experience, he felt this person was suspicious. Arm chair quarterbacking, that could be looked at as either the right or wrong decision, but none of us were there to know for sure. He did his job. A high stress, low paying, extremely dangerous job where you have to make split decisions to maintain the peace and get yourself and everyone else home safely.

But once again, I ask why the media is producing so many articles about this particular case when there have been at least 10 since then that barely get more than 2 lines and are certainly more the "norm" for the area of North Charleston in particular. Where is the outrage and concern for the families of the victims over those crimes?

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Posted by HOBYCAT on July 17, 2014 at 2:50 PM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

Drones Make It Easier To Kill Terrorists.

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Posted by zee on July 17, 2014 at 2:48 PM

Re: “TONIGHT: Mayor Riley, city officials want your input on midnight bar closing ordinance

Oops. I Mean Posting From A Smart Phone Takes Patience. Just Kidding About The Paper Deleting Posts.

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Posted by zee on July 17, 2014 at 2:46 PM

Re: “TONIGHT: Mayor Riley, city officials want your input on midnight bar closing ordinance

Charleston City Paper Erases Posts. Worthless Garbage paper

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Posted by zee on July 17, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Re: “TONIGHT: Mayor Riley, city officials want your input on midnight bar closing ordinance

I don't think I would read either of those books. I did check out "It's A Little Weird To Like A Place Because Strangers Get Married There" and that was pretty good. The sequel "Chemical Dependence IS Actually A Great Way To Lure In Tourists, Look at New Orleans" was alright, though a little snarky for my tastes.

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 17, 2014 at 2:26 PM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

That's true. I hate colonialistism.

edit: but I'm all for government coffins and socialized funeral services.

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 17, 2014 at 2:11 PM

Re: “TONIGHT: Mayor Riley, city officials want your input on midnight bar closing ordinance

"Chemical Dependence Is Not A great Way to Lure In Tourists. Look At New Orleans. I Don't Want That Kind Of Mess Here. I Don't Want Those Kinds Of People FlockinG Here Either."

Having a drink from time to time does not equal chemical dependence. But hey, it sounds way more intelligent when you make silly claims While Capitalizing Every Word In The Sentence.

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Posted by brewengineer on July 17, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

Happy,

It's as simple as this:

White Paranoia About Kenyan Anti-Colonialists Ordering FEMA Coffins > Black Paranoia About Police Targeting Black Males and Conducting Stop-and-Frisk Searches

The problem is, one of the fears is justified, the other is not.

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Posted by chrishaire on July 17, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

It's so hard to be figurative on the internet. Sorry you didn't actually find someone wearing a hoodie downtown today. I can assure you that they're common, which is what I was meaning to illustrate.

I'm a sane person with the usual amount of depression and no suicidal thoughts. I have every right to and would refuse a search and seizure request without a warrant or explicit statement of probable cause. Luckily, I'm a white guy so I don't generally get hassled or have police guns in my face when I'm minding my own business, suspiciously or not.

That's kind of the point - it seems like race baiting to people who aren't getting the police guns in their face. Of course it seems reasonable - the kid had a gun and mental problems. SLED isn't investigating, the mayor isn't commenting on, and the newspapers aren't harping on all the stop and frisks for the kids who DON'T get shot by police because they didn't have a gun or mental problems. That's why this seems like an isolated incident to you - it's confirmation bias. If it regularly happened *without justification* to you or to people you know then you would be... Dot Scott.

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 17, 2014 at 1:49 PM

Re: “McConnell must do a lot to earn the respect of CofC students

What kind of vacuum do you think we live in that a high priced search firm is not going to understand who McConnell is? Yes, I read the prospectus. I also attended the public Q&A's. I also attended forums with higher education industry experts. You can massage a resume to fit whatever you want - the point is that there were well over 10 people who fit the qualifications better. Magically, the only people that disagreed were the couple of people that had significant pressure on them from the legislature.

Military voting is a tough nut to crack, evidenced by the fact that we've been tinkering with some way to try and help since the Reagan era - the 2012 act wasn't the first and won't be the last to fail. This last attempt didn't work, and Obama has said as much - but I think you overestimate the impact of that on the election.

If you want to talk about widespread and game-changing disenfranchisement, we can talk about poll taxe... ahem, voter ID laws. Strange how they keep getting labeled as unconstitutional by our own justice system. We can talk about reducing early voting. We can talk about partisan election boards drastically reducing the number polling places from only low income and urban areas. We can talk about efforts to make voting more difficult for resident university students. We can talk about election day organizational "accidents" that lead to abysmal wait times in poor and minority areas. We can talk about the ludicrous and shameful gerrymandering that has county lines as wide as the road that cuts through the minority neighborhood. But then we'd be talking about Republicans.

Every administration is going to have good ideas. Every administration is going to have bad ideas. That's why we have a body for debate and compromise - our system is supposed to recognize that neither side is right all the time. The reason he probably seems like a failure to you is because YOUR OWN party has committed to the ideology that every idea is a bad one unless it comes from the extremist fringes of your own. Obamacare was once the Republican counter-proposal to socialized medicine for crying out loud. The only thing that changed is that a black president got behind it. Rinse, repeat. The guy's been a big disappointment to liberals and progressives because virtually ALL of his policy initiatives have been moderate Republican ones. Or what used to be moderate Republican policy when there were moderate Republicans.

I hate to tell ya, it's not his politics you disagree with so vehemently. You might not see that, appreciate it, or know it, but everybody else does. Your brand of zero compromise, intractability and anti-American obstructionism has no political excuse.

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 17, 2014 at 1:32 PM

Re: “TONIGHT: Mayor Riley, city officials want your input on midnight bar closing ordinance

People Get Married Here. That's A Beautiful Thing And The Real Charm Of This Beautiful And Romantic City.

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Posted by zee on July 17, 2014 at 1:26 PM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

Ima,

I'll check with Paul to see if he has the report. UPDATE: Thom Berry of SLED is still working on the report. It has not been released.

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Posted by chrishaire on July 17, 2014 at 1:26 PM

Re: “TONIGHT: Mayor Riley, city officials want your input on midnight bar closing ordinance

Chemical Dependence Is Not A great Way to Lure In Tourists. Look At New Orleans. I Don't Want That Kind Of Mess Here. I Don't Want Those Kinds Of People FlockinG Here Either.

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Posted by zee on July 17, 2014 at 1:23 PM
Posted by zee on July 17, 2014 at 1:21 PM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

OK, Haire, SLED released their 180 page report about the incident, Now it's Dot Scott's turn (and yours) to release your share of the evidence.

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Posted by Ima Oldman on July 17, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Re: “The more mags that proclaim Charleston is the best, the more tourists that flock to our streets

You Think The Whore Of Babylon (The Us Economy) Will Not Pillage This Place For Every Bit O Resource It Can Take? We Will Be Lucky If This At-will-Employer State Will Allow Us To Keep Our Historic Natural LandScape Only to Put Us All In Apartments. Every MaN, Woman, And Child Will Be Sold Into Corporate Slavery OR Imprisoned As Homeless Miscreants That Don't Have Enough Of A Failing Currency. Charleston! The Last Citadel Of The Western World To Fall To A New World Of Capitalism And Mass Production.. Look At Detroit...

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Posted by zee on July 17, 2014 at 1:11 PM

Re: “Denzel Curnell shooting: Read the officer’s full account

I don't think it's a waste of time - the debate about where the intersection between civil liberties and public safety should be is one we probably ought to be having if we can do it constructively. Internets being what they are and polarization becoming the norm, this might not be the place, though, so I'm ok agreeing to slightly disagree haha.

I don't like the way we approach things with the TSA or searching bags at the marathon either, though I can easily understand the impulse. I understand that risks are involved with trusting the general public but every step we willingly take down the road of the government treating citizens like criminals the easier it gets for the government to treat us like criminals when it's not justified.

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 17, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

I see alot of what if's here in this conversation, is it better to error on the side of caution yes, no one is discussing Curnells state of mind. He has a record of being sucidial that has been established, people want to cast dispesion because of his race maybe the long and short of it he was mentaly unstable. What sane person would not yeild to a police officer if they had nothing to hide no one I know. I don't think color is an issuse here of course the race baiters want to make it an issuse to line their pockets. BTW they gentleman who stated "There are kids wearing hoodies everywhere! I could go take a drive downtown, at noon today" I was downtown for 2 hours toady didn't see one hoodie, go figure.

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Posted by puterputzs on July 17, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Re: “The more mags that proclaim Charleston is the best, the more tourists that flock to our streets

You Think The Whore Of Babylon (The Us Economy) Will Not Pillage This Place For Every Bit O Resource It Can Take? We Will Be Lucky If This At-will-Employer State Will Allow Us To Keep Our Historic Natural LandScape Only to Put Us All In Apartments. Every MaN, Woman, And Child Will Be Sold Into Corporate Slavery OR Imprisoned As Homeless Miscreants That Don't Have Enough Of A Failing Currency. Charleston! The Last Citadel Of The Western World To Fall To A New World Of Capitalism!

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Posted by zee on July 17, 2014 at 12:46 PM
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