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Re: “Emanuel AME shooting: This is now the world we live in

The NRA has 5 million members and leverages that block to bully the rest of us. Surely, there are 50 million of us that don't want guns to be such a part of our culture. We simply need to organize, spend some money, and vote. It shouldn't be that difficult!

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Posted by John C. Tripp on June 21, 2015 at 1:16 PM

Re: “Emanuel AME shooting: This is now the world we live in

The problem with focusing on the Confederate Flag is that it returns the narrative to a North-South binary about slavery. As if all racism were contained in the South and white supremacy were not also the dominant belief among northern Yankees. The Civil War ended slavery, not the belief in white supremacy. The Civil War was never a fight about white supremacy, both sides agreed that white men were a superior race.

America is founded on the Aryan myth of white supremacy. It was the dominant belief among English and American scholars for hundreds of years and into the 20th Century. It justified not only slavery in America but also the policies of English, French, and German colonialism. It was the basis of Manifest Destiny and the extermination of Native Americans. Race history was taught at Harvard and Columbia as social science.

Last weekend Hillary Clinton launched her presidential campaign from Roosevelt Island in New York. The press spoke about Hillary picking the monument as way of identifying with the Roosevelt legacy.

Here's a quote from Teddy Roosevelt in 1894:

"Nineteenth century democracy needs no more complete vindication for its existence than the fact that it has kept for the white race the best portions of the new world’s surface, temperate America and Australia. Had these regions been under aristocratic governments, Chinese immigration would have been encouraged precisely as the slave trade is encouraged of necessity by any slave-holding oligarchy, and the result would in a few generations have been even more fatal to the white race; but the democracy, with the clear instinct of race selfishness, saw the race foe, and kept out the dangerous alien. The presence of the negro in our Southern States is a legacy from the time when we were ruled by a trans-oceanic aristocracy. The whole civilization of the future owes a debt of gratitude greater than can be expressed in words to that democratic policy which has kept the temperate zones of the new and the newest worlds a heritage for the white people."

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library…

I didn't hear anybody mention that Teddy Roosevelt was a rabid racist along the same lines of John C Calhoun. I don't hear anyone suggesting that Roosevelt be removed from Mt. Rushmore. Why not? Can we get to the truth by whitewashing the past?

The Confederate flag discussion allows the press to confuse the narrative of white supremacy with that of the institution of slavery. Unfortunately, it is the Aryan belief in white supremacy that persists in all of our social and political institutions that is the more important issue to equality today.

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Posted by Fish Pimp on June 21, 2015 at 12:35 PM

Re: “The Sgt. Jasper plans are no uglier than Charleston's past, present

"and which acts as if James Island doesn't exist"

As a JI resident, I'm fine with this.

Posted by Ron Liberte on June 21, 2015 at 12:04 PM

Re: “Craft beer is booming in Charleston — but how big can it get?

NC has a 15 cents per gallon cheaper excise tax, thats 2 cents a pint!!!!!!!.

Prices do hold back sales?, my econ professors were all wrong. With your statement, they should be charging a lot more as sales will not falter. I know a few restaurant managers who have removed local beers due to price increases.

I am embarrassed to see a local pint (really 12-14 oz) of regular strength regularly at 7-8, I have had cheaper local beers in NYC and other big expensive cities.

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Posted by ALEYEAST on June 21, 2015 at 11:27 AM

Re: “The Sgt. Jasper plans are no uglier than Charleston's past, present

So much angst Chris Haire!
A community with 340 years behind it is bound to have its low points. See how we are different despite the slavery etc etc that you rail on about. Now that you are living through Charleston history with these horrible shootings you too are a part of the fabric. You are now a first hand witness to what is so Right about the Holy City. I hope that you can come to love Charleston as we love Charleston and one another. Its not all bad here.

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Posted by bigalsc on June 21, 2015 at 11:26 AM

Re: “Emanuel AME shooting: This is now the world we live in

@leemajors, show me where I have advocated any of the things you say. Stick to facts not emotions and hypocritical nonsense based on feelings. Ron Liberte, probably about the same time the black community, muslims, crips, bloods, ms13 etc do the same. Step up to the plate anytime and lead the way. Using some peoples way of thinking if a flag is behind this, then it would be legitimate for the descendants of Irish slaves in the US and around the world to act out at the site of the of any nation that participated in their plight. It would be legit for the Jewish community to act out against the US flag for the crimes perpetrated against them by Gen. U.S. Grant and the US Army. How about the Asians interned during WWII. The German immigrants who had their property seized during WWII. Yep they were raped, murdered, enslaved for no other reason than being Irish, Jewish or German.

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Posted by truthrus on June 21, 2015 at 8:51 AM

Re: “Ben Tillman was a racist, terrorist, and murderer: It's time to take down his statue

Probably been mentioned before, but you could really use a good proofread: "The Edgefield Redshits" springs to mind. Good article other than the typos, very interesting and, in fact, eye-opening. Thank you.

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Posted by Aick Beckstead on June 21, 2015 at 8:31 AM

Re: “Marcus Amaker's latest poetry book is an app, too

Why does this app want access to my calendar? I'm not available, ever.

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Posted by mat catastrophe on June 20, 2015 at 10:53 PM

Re: “Recalling South Carolina's 1988 school shooting

I was there as well, in the ER as a nurse, caring for people. That day will forever be engraved in my memory. Yes, he got ahold of a gun, but had he had the mental health care he had so DESPARATELY asked for in the preceding weeks perhaps this might have been prevented. NO we will never stop senseless deaths, and we will never prevent weapons from getting in "the wrong hands" But until we find a more effective way to deal with mental health issues than sweeping them to the back of the closet, this will continue to happen .. Shortly after this episode, the episode in Ohio, then each school and church shooting seemed to become and more " horrific" . Plastering photo's of the shooter all over the media.. .. I personally don't want to see how "empty" his eyes are.. I don't want to hear how his family is suffering.. Make me heartless but he didn't just get this way overnight..

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Posted by Jone Moore Gault on June 20, 2015 at 9:17 PM

Re: “NAACP doubles down on Confederate flag removal in Columbia

"...even Robert E. Lee said "lets furl the banner never to unfurl it again."
Posted by artrogue on December 12, 2010 at 11:54 AM


Its long long past time to get this done.

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Posted by artrogue on June 20, 2015 at 7:41 PM

Re: “Requiem for the Dead: Spring 2014 is a chilling documentary about gun violence in America

If gun accessibility were the answer, why would today's Bee note "Today American citizens are thought to own as many as 310 million firearms. By one 2009 estimate, the number of guns per capita had doubled since 1968. . . " while at the same time quoting "The Center for Disease Control and Prevention estimated that in 2013 11,208 died in homcides involving firearms in the U.S.?" The general argument against gun control is that its people, not guns, that are responsible. But it seems clearly with the easy rise of gun ownserhip, the easier we make it to kill someone, the more we feed that monster.

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Posted by Steve Malm on June 20, 2015 at 6:25 PM

Re: “Watch Jon Stewart's powerful monologue on the Mother Emanuel Shooting

Where did he say "banish the names," IP?
"The Confederate flag flies over South Carolina, and the roads are named for Confederate generals, and the white guy’s the one who feels like his country is being taken away from him." His point, idiot, is that whites feel as if their country is being taken away from them for no good reason other than it's said to them hourly on right wing radio and right wing TV (We have to take America back!), so imagine what it's like to be black where the names on everything are from the days of slavery. And you're reminded every fucking day. And you're proud of this. No other state is as proud of racism and slavery as you are. And you live it today, even though it ended 150+ years ago.

"Instead of rioting in the streets (I'm looking at you Baltimore and Ferguson), we have come together as a community to try help those who are grieving."
Seriously? Could you draw a less apt comparison? A young black man was casually shot to death by a cop who wasn't even indicted, in an incredibly impoverished majority black town where the police have a long history of corruption. It's mathematics... people revolt. They rebel. The voiceless and powerless and impoverished with no prospects WILL flex what muscles they have in order to foment change that is positive for them. It's a truism since the dawn of civilization. Fear and anger drive people into desperate acts. But you'd have them pen nasty letters to their white lawmakers who can laugh at them with the white chief of police and white power structure.
In Baltimore, the police killed an innocent man by letting him slide around the back of a van in shackles and his neck broke. Only violent outrage brought indictments from a corrupt police department and corrupt power structure.
Still though, there were no deaths in these towns you mock for rioting. But think about this, two month's ago one of N. Charleston's finest coolly murdered an old man for no conceivable reason. Three days ago the violent racism woven into the white culture here in SC was put into action and nine Charlestonians are dead. Your culture here produced this, and you're smug and patting yourself on the back so enthusiastically you're going to tear your rotator cuff.
Of course this particular shooting happened here. Racism is one of the most important subcurrents moving through all South Carolina culture.

North Charleston would still be burning if there wasn't that video recording. If the church didn't have cameras, nobody would ever have known who committed this murder... and we'd be faced with a long simmering period of anger, resentment, real fear, and probable violence.
As it is, both instances were RESOLVED, which is what DIDN'T happen in Ferguson or Baltimore. Ergo the inapt comparison.

So while you keep chirping that "we're better," ask the 10 dead black people what they think about that, and the millions of others who live underneath the Confederate flag. Death is what's occurring here, and you're giddy there aren't riots. THAT, folks, is what's known as White Privilege. Easy for you to be happy and glib. You stand no shot of actually being shot by a cop or a racist. Odds are going up if you're black, though.

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Posted by landsnark on June 20, 2015 at 5:25 PM

Re: “Watch Jon Stewart's powerful monologue on the Mother Emanuel Shooting

I can not agree with banishing the names of Confederate military and political leaders from local street names and landmarks. However, considering that this Domestic Terrorist posed for pictures burning the American Flag in one picture and proudly clutching the Confederate Flag in another, the NAACP demands for the removal of this flag are quite justified. It has been adopted by and used as a symbol for White Hate Groups and Bubba Boy Bigots for years now. My own family fought for the Confederacy and I am still going to agree with taking down the flag once and for all and just being done with it. Put it in on display in the Backwards-Ass Cracker Museum of Lost Causes.

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Posted by CIACulinaryKid on June 20, 2015 at 5:20 PM

Re: “Watch Jon Stewart's powerful monologue on the Mother Emanuel Shooting

I can appreciate Jon Stewart's emotional appeal, but his statement about banishing the names of Confederate military and political leaders from local landmarks was not very well thought out.

If Jon Stewart were in charge, he would have us eliminate the following names from our local roads and monuments:

Aiken, Legare, Simmons, Herriot, Manigault, Pinckney, Smith, Calhoun, Spann, Chalmers, Singleton, Cooper, Lowndes, Sumter, Russell, Elliot, Chisolm, Ravenel, Limehouse, Dill, Rembert, Pitt, Laurens, Middleton, Horlbeck, Jennings and Greene, just to name a few.

These are all surnames of former slave owners. These are also the surnames of thousands of black families living here in the Lowcountry who can directly trace their ancestry and surnames back to a time when their ancestors were owned by white folks.

You can't erase historical wounds by banishing names or words. Even if you could, I don't think it would be a good idea. The old saying, "Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it", rings true here.

We must remember history, and we must remember it in context.

Sharonda Singleton was a teacher at my child's school. This massacre has touched our family through that connection. I cannot fathom how Ms. Singleton's son Chris has the strength of character to deal with this tragedy, but I'm glad he does, and I know his mother is proud of him for meeting evil and hate with goodness and love.

And I know this: I'm proud of the way our community has handled this unthinkable act of racially motivated violence. Instead of rioting in the streets (I'm looking at you Baltimore and Ferguson), we have come together as a community to try help those who are grieving.

The useless meat sack of a human being who committed this hate crime had hoped his despicable actions would divide blacks and whites and thus foment a race war.

Instead, he brought us all together.

I hope they put a TV in his jail cell so he can watch thousands of peaceful black and white Charlestonians join hands across the Ravenel bridge tomorrow.

God, I love this town!

(And to Jon Stewart: "Stay in New York!")

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Posted by I P Yuengling on June 20, 2015 at 4:47 PM

Re: “Emanuel AME shooting: This is now the world we live in

His "manifesto", if accurate, is interesting. He bemoans the lack of "real" skinheads, KKK, etc. I guess by "real" he means ones that are committing violence against blacks. This aligns with the fact that I can't think of anything like this happening in my memory in SC (murder of blacks for being black).

Fortunately, this despicable racist murderer seems to represent precisely no one.

While, for instance, Maj Hassan of the Fort Hood mass killing stated his motivation as Islamic radicalism, of which there is plenty in the world and some in the US.

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Posted by Cid95 on June 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM

Re: “Watch Jon Stewart's powerful monologue on the Mother Emanuel Shooting

Clearly it was racially motivated violence. There can't be any serious question about that.

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Posted by Cid95 on June 20, 2015 at 4:13 PM

Re: “How the Koch Brothers helped kill the roads bill

"Cant wait for leemajors, pronghorn, or libertone to rant about conservative money influence. I'm sure they will fail to mention Steyr, Soros, Gates, and everyone in Hollywood donating money for their cause."

If you aren't angry about this, you're even dumber than I thought you were.

Infrastructure is not a partisan issue. We OWE society taxes with which they can provide infrastructure and services. It's a SOCIAL CONTRACT. That's what you assholes just don't get.

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Posted by leemajors on June 20, 2015 at 3:59 PM

Re: “NAACP doubles down on Confederate flag removal in Columbia

Considering that this Domestic Terrorist posed for pictures burning the American Flag in one picture and proudly clutching the Confederate Flag in another, the NAACP demands for the removal of this flag are quite justified. My own family fought for the Confederacy and I am still going to agree with taking down the flag once and for all and just being done with it. Put it in on display in the Backwards-Ass Cracker Museum of Lost Causes.

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Posted by CIACulinaryKid on June 20, 2015 at 3:45 PM

Re: “NAACP doubles down on Confederate flag removal in Columbia

It's also hilarious that the people saying African Americans should get over slavery already are the same ones who can't let go of the "heritage" of their bumpkin great great grand pappys losing a treasonous war.

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Posted by Ron Liberte on June 20, 2015 at 2:12 PM

Re: “NAACP doubles down on Confederate flag removal in Columbia

"This sick fuck didn't commit these crimes out of the blue. Reports are now coming in about months and years of his racist ramblings. Why were these not considered red flags? Because his sentiments can be found echoed in many homes, bars, workplaces, stores, etc. throughout the state. It's just considered normal dialogue down here. Especially his line about "taking his country back." Which is also a favorite line of GOP candidates, Fox News and AM talk radio personalities. But that's purely a coincidence."

Absolutely. In every setting in this state, thinly veiled racism boils just below the surface. At my in-laws dinner table. At work. Code words used in public.

A lackadaisical tack towards casual racism very effectively obscures dangerous assholes like Roof, and the flag is another sign of complicity among the conservative whites in this state.

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Posted by leemajors on June 20, 2015 at 2:11 PM
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