Susan Kayne: Please tell me any place where a horse can't get hurt. Horses hurt themselves in pastures and in their stalls. We can't put them in bubble wrap even though we might want to. The actual accident rate for carriage horses is actually quite low compared to other equine activities. So, to answer your question, No, it isn't "common sense".
leemajors: None of the carriage horses are being "worked to death", and horses are domestic animals. They would not do well if turned loose like ARAs seem to think they would. That's part of your anthropomorphism showing. You think that because it seems like captivity to you, that that is what it seems like to them. You've never seen a loose horse put itself away in its stall, because to them, that is their home.
You have no lucid argument. You have anthropomorphism. We've already heard the entire animal rights philosophy, and it is flawed. When presented with actual, verifiable facts of life concerning horses, by people who have devoted our lives and a large portion of our income to caring for them, the animal rights response is emotionalism and to claim we are too involved to be impartial. You make ignorance a virtue, but ignorance is what makes dead horses (and people).
Leemajors: Of course you can't argue with horse people. That's because you are ignorant about the topic. I don't argue about things I know nothing about. Why do you?
I guess the reason all the animal rights activists say tourists are fat is because they are all undernourished vegans.
"I agree that most horses need a job to remain healthy and alive, but there are jobs and there are jobs. Working on streets, in high heat, with all sorts of traffic around them is not something a so-called civilized society should use a horse for"
D 1 Working an easy job in the city is exactly the right job for some horses. Horses, like humans, have different abilities. One should never presume that there aren't a lot of worse places that carriages horses could be in if they didn't have the job that they do.
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