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Re: “How did S.C.'s 'guns in bars' bill pass so fast?

The hysterics from factory and Susan are to be expected from lemmings like them.

Why should citizens who have valid, legal, carry permits be prohibited from defending themselves in many locations where they normally go? All the existing laws that (rightly) prohibit discharging a firearm, brandishing a firearm or threatening others with a firearm are still in force. The laws that prohibit CCW carriers from being intoxicated are still in force. The only thing this does is allow citizens to defend themselves in restaurants just like everywhere else.

Previously, those like Factory and Susan all cried that the sky would fall and that there would be blood in the streets and gunfights over parking spaces and fender benders if CCW laws were passed/liberalized. None of it happened. CCW holders are an amazingly law-abiding subset of the citizenry.

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Posted by jrob on March 1, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Re: “The NRA responds to Newtown shooting out of fear, not sympathy

Britain bans guns and violent crimes go up.
Australia bans guns and violent crimes go up.
DC banned guns and and violent crimes went up.
Chicago banned guns and and violent crimes went up.

DC gun ban was overturned and and violent crimes went down.
Chicago gun ban was overturned and and violent crimes went down.

Example after example after example after example of the policies that you want to impose on us have resulted in more crime, more violence, more deaths of innocent people.

Why are you in favor of implementing laws and policies that have been proven to benefit criminals and harm law abiding citizens?

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Posted by jrob on December 23, 2012 at 4:53 PM

Re: “The NRA responds to Newtown shooting out of fear, not sympathy

No one is saying that we are happy with the rate of crime here or anywhere. We all know what crime rates are and we know that criminals use guns to commit terrible crimes.

The question is what to do about it.

Should we ban or control guns more? 100% of the time that leads to MORE CRIME.

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Posted by jrob on December 23, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Re: “The NRA responds to Newtown shooting out of fear, not sympathy

These links show nothing about the results of gun control. We have seen many gun bans in different places; does gun control work at all? No, just the opposite:

Take Australia:
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Arti…

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.
While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy. Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them, says the Examiner.

Source: Howard Nemerov, "Australia experiencing more violent crime despite gun ban," D.C. Examiner, April 8, 2009.

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Take Britain:
http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2012/12…

VIOLENT CRIMW RATE MORE THAN DOUBLED IN THE FOUR YEARS AFTER THE 1997 UK GUN BAN

...And the result of the 1997 gun ban:

The result of the ban has been costly. Thousands of weapons were confiscated at great financial cost to the public. Hundreds of thousands of police hours were devoted to the task. But in the six years since the 1997 handgun ban, crimes with the very weapons banned have more than doubled, and firearm crime has increased markedly. In 2002, for the fourth consecutive year, gun crime in England and Wales rose—by 35 percent for all firearms, and by a whopping 46 percent for the banned handguns. Nearly 10,000 firearms offences were committed.

[...]According to Scotland Yard, in the four years from 1991 to 1995 crimes against the person in England‟s inner cities increased by 91 percent. In the four years from 1997 to 2001 the rate of violent crime more than doubled. The UK murder rate for 2002 was the highest for a century.


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Take Chicago after gun control laws were struck down:
http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2012/07…

CRIME RATES IN CHICAGO AND DC DROP AFTER GUN CONTROL LAWS ARE STRUCK DOWN


Murder and violent crime rates were supposed to soar after the Supreme Court struck down gun control laws in Chicago and Washington, D.C.

Politicians predicted disaster. ”More handguns in the District of Columbia will only lead to more handgun violence,” Washington’s Mayor Adrian Fenty warned the day the court made its decision.

Chicago’s Mayor Daley predicted that we would ”go back to the Old West, you have a gun and I have a gun and we’ll settle it in the streets…”

The New York Times even editorialized this month about the Supreme Court’s “unwise” decision that there is a right for people “to keep guns in the home.”

But Armageddon never happened. Newly released data for Chicago shows that, as in Washington, murder and gun crime rates didn’t rise after the bans were eliminated — they plummeted. They have fallen much more than the national crime rate.

Not surprisingly, the national media have been completely silent about this news.

One can only imagine the coverage if crime rates had risen. In the first six months of this year, there were 14% fewer murders in Chicago compared to the first six months of last year – back when owning handguns was illegal. It was the largest drop in Chicago’s murder rate since the handgun ban went into effect in 1982.

Meanwhile, the other four most populous cities saw a total drop at the same time of only 6 percent.

Similarly, in the year after the 2008 “Heller” decision, the murder rate fell two-and-a-half times faster in Washington than in the rest of the country.

It also fell more than three as fast as in other cities that are close to Washington’s size. And murders in Washington have continued to fall.

If you compare the first six months of this year to the first six months of 2008, the same time immediately preceding the Supreme Court’s late June “Heller” decision, murders have now fallen by thirty-four percent.

Gun crimes also fell more than non-gun crimes.

Robberies with guns fell by 25%, while robberies without guns have fallen by eight percent. Assaults with guns fell by 37%, while assaults without guns fell by 12%.

So this still stands and I'm still waiting for an answer:

If gun control worked and if gun control was a any kind of a solution to violent crime, then you or other gun controllers would be able to respond in 5 seconds to the challenges that have been laid out clearly and repeatedly:

--Show one example of a gun ban put into place anywhere that resulted in a reduction in violent crime, murder rates or mass killings.

--Show one example anywhere where restrictions on law-abiding citizens' ability to carry guns were relaxed (i.e. ccw/right to carry laws passed) that resulted in higher crime, murder rates or mass killings.

Posted by jrob on December 23, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Re: “The NRA responds to Newtown shooting out of fear, not sympathy

@Chris

You can choose not to worry about me or John Lott anymore, its up to you what you choose to believe and its up to you to live in a state of denial. However, wether John Lott ever existed or over wrote any articles/books or wether I ever posted any comments here, you and all gun controllers have to face the points that have brought up repeatedly and which you nor any other gun control advocate has ever answered.

The data and crime statistics that show that gun control is at best useless and at worst extremely and dangerously counterproductive have nothing to do with John Lott. The information on the subject has been compiled over decades by cities, states and the feds as well as any other country that you want to investigate. It is publicly available to anyone who wants to look at it. Do you think the reason that gun control advocates haver never been able to point to a successful gun ban is just because they simply have
never looked at the crime data?

So this still stands and I'm begging you for an answer:

If gun control worked and if gun control was a any kind of a solution to violent crime, then you or other gun controllers would be able to respond in 5 seconds to the challenges that have been laid out clearly and repeatedly:

--Show one example of a gun ban put into place anywhere that resulted in a reduction in violent crime, murder rates or mass killings.

--Show one example anywhere where restrictions on law-abiding citizens' ability to carry guns were relaxed (i.e. ccw/right to carry laws passed) that resulted in higher crime, murder rates or mass killings.

Posted by jrob on December 23, 2012 at 2:45 PM

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