@Vic Rattlehead I never claimed it was incompetence alone that got us where we are today. I said it was incompetence *and* pretentious politicians... pretentious in that they think they are able to micro manage things like our economy and our society.
Incompetence is what leads to awful bureaucracies and government waste, pretention is what leads politicians to believe that we should be attempting to do some of these things in the first place.
As for putting liberty-movement people into buckets, yes, I realize it's not perfect, but I'm simply illustrating that there are different approaches and different mindsets about the future here.
There are many that still think we can pull some crazy antics at the GOP convention and get Ron elected, and they call everyone traitors who don't realize the absurdity of that. There are those that think we should look at the long game and play politics, and there are those who look at the even longer game and realize propagating the message is the real means for change. I think these two are far more acceptable than haste and demoralizing now or never mentality with the demonization of any pragmatic approach to our movement.
That said, I hate all of this civil war bickering about different approaches to the matter. Do we not all believe in the same core principals? Do we not all agree that the Fed needs to be ended, that we need sound money, a new foreign policy, and less government? Yes we do! So why argue and attack people personally for trying to propagate that message in the way they think is best? You don't have to agree, but don't start cannibalizing our movement out of some form of self righteousness.
I completely 100% agree with Mr. Hunter here... when it comes down to it there are three types in the liberty movement. There are the Alex Jones conspiracy types who choose to focus on issues like Obama's citizenship, 9/11 theories, and chemtrails and who believe a blunt instrument, civil disobedience and protests are the best way to go, there are the pragmatic folks (Rand Paul, Jack Hunter, et al) who try to play politics and work through the existing system for the best outcome they can manage, and there are those who believe education is paramount to the process of change (Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell, etc. fall in here). I for one subscribe to the third category and sympathize with the second... I think the first group lacks patience and perspective and tends to attack the problem with the best of intentions but from the wrong place.
I think the more people understand about the way that the government works, the more they will realize that it's incompetence and the pretense of wisdom that drives the problems we face, not vast, well hidden conspiracies.
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