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Re: “A quick and easy guide to Uber in Charleston

"That's some "personal responsibility" in action right there."

mat, are you really giving him shit for having too many drinks and deciding to take an Uber ride home? You lost me there. Besides being a completely asinine comment, it is an outright dangerous comment. People who cab it, instead of getting behind the wheel, should be lauded. Shaming them because they had one too many drinks (basically anything over 1 drink), makes you sound closer to the neoprohibitionist religious right. nofaith and I may disagree on many things, but he is 100% correct and responsible on this one.
Personally, I love Uber. I don't have the benefit of living downtown, and being able to walk or hail a cab to get around. In Mt. P, it is damn near impossible to get a taxi, and the cab companies don't want to send their cars out there. I have damn near missed a few events because I called a taxi company, and the car was late or didn't show at all. It's bullshit. This area has some of the worst transportation options in the country. Uber has made that bearable. As for any rate issues, you can see the damn total cost when you call an Uber car. That is more than what I get from taxi drivers.

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Posted by brewengineer on October 22, 2015 at 7:51 AM

Re: “A quick and easy guide to Uber in Charleston

"You really don't have a clue."

What you really mean here is "I don't like people with contrarian opinions because it bothers my worldview and I don't like that." This is pretty much the same as calling me a "troll" - not only is it wrong, it utterly relieves you of the horrible burden of, I don't know, having to actually think about a point of view outside of your normal frame of reference.

"Good thing you don't vote..."

I've noticed this tired little tirade of yours popping up again and again over the last few weeks. You realize it's also an absolutely asinine thing to say, right? It's just like those thin skinned musicians who blast critics because "you don't even make music, man"...

Well, if that were the criteria for having an opinion, no one would be allowed to have an opinion outside of their own tiny subset of the universe, now would they? What sort of mentally impoverished dystopia would that bring about?

Oh, I forgot. You're actually OK with not ever having your worldview or your opinions challenged in any meaningful way by someone who is different from you. I guess that makes life easier in some ways. Frankly, I think it'd be awfully boring.

"...and nobody will ever be dependent on you for a paycheck."

This is just petty.

"They are working there voluntarily..."

Ah, the lies of capitalism. No one works anywhere voluntarily. Work is compulsory in our society. People take what they can get, because our system is horribly, horribly broken.

"Maybe tomorrow you should storm into the office of City Paper and tell them you do not want to be part of the gig economy and they should put you on full time pay with benefits no matter how much time you actually work for them."

Chris, I'll be in around 10am to discuss this with you and the bean counters. Cheap gin is fine, but the tonic water and limes must be first-rate.

"You know all too well about being an elitist even though you have no reason to be."

I'm a member of the Groucho Mark School of Reverse Snobbery, thank you very much. I'd be a card carrying member, but we look down on that as a form of moronic behavior.

"It is about not wanting to ride in a piece of shit dirty car that comes whenever they feel like and the driver feels they are doing me a favor."

Well, if work is "voluntary", then they are doing you a favor.

"In other cities I take cabs over Uber because they provide a good service at a good price."

Oh, are those the times when Uber is gouging people with "surge pricing"? Because I'm guessing it's not because other cities have really, really nice yellow cabs.

Being cheap kills an economy. You know that, right?

"In Charleston I have never taken a cab ride that was not a bad experience on one level or another."

I can't fathom this has anything to do with your preconceived notions of how horrible Charleston taxis are.

"Yes, that is exactly what it is."

Drinking to excess is not personal responsibility; cab, Uber, or whatever else might be involved. Unless you're 21, you should know how to drink and handle yourself in public.

"It is a business that came about and thrived pretty much immediately because there were not too many regulations for what they were doing."

Ah, yes. Because regulations kill businesses. Businesses must be like cancers, growth for the sake of growth regardless of the damage done, right? Isn't that the free market fantasy?

"They built a better mousetrap that regulations had not been created to address and now they are a very successful company."

The app does not address issues of regulation of taxi companies. And the success of companies like Uber is almost entirely on paper and due to venture capitalists in Silicon Valley and San Francisco, not because of any actual market activity.

"The problem they are running into is the government trying to regulate them out of business because the other people providing ride services are not doing a good enough job to compete."

The problem they are running into is that are pretending not to be a taxi service. They are a taxi service.

Again, I admitted that the current state of how taxis and governments interact is byzantine and perhaps outdated and maybe even rife with corruption. However, this notion that Libertarian Superman will come in and "disrupt" everything and make the sunshine and the birds sing again is ridiculous.

All that most local governments wanted from Uber - and this goes for pretty much every single city they've decided to land in - was compliance with some basic regulations. Uber refused. Now, let's be perfectly honest here: they aren't fighting some good fight for civil rights or freedom. They are simply breaking laws because they know that most governments are now either too weak to fight them, or worse, are filled with water-headed buffoons that honestly believe that the "sharing economy" will save our blighted cities and will bend over backward to let them operate at-will without restrictions.

"It is not my local government's job to protect a business from competition."

Well, that's good because that's not at all what I was suggesting.

"And besides that, if they have done a crap job and not earned my business in the past why would I want to help them? That is their problem to fix."

Do you leave comments at restaurants? Or use online review sites? Do you give feedback to businesses, positive or negative? (Hint: You have, at least 3 times on this site, done a review of something).

This argument doesn't work. If you believe that the market responds to consumers, then consumers have to respond to businesses. If, on the other hand, you believe government interferes too much in business, then governments should be where you take your complaints. Either way, just saying "it's their problem to fix and I don't want to help them" sounds an awful lot like.....

....me saying I don't vote because the system is not worth participating in.

And yet, here you are, complaining about taxi companies in Charleston, which you have stated a couple of times now that you don't even use.

"Based on their success it is more than just my opinion."

Their success and being welcome in the community are not the same thing. Try again.

"I did a quick search and they have done over a million rides, all safe, in the state since they started."

Citation needed. No, I will not "study it out". You have to back up any claims of fact with a link.

Oh, look, here's one that states they were not apparently "all safe": http://news.yahoo.com/uber-driver-accused-…

"I have, and their reasons are foolish for not liking Uber."

Some sort of explanation would have been great here. Any explanation, really. I mean, you could have linked to any negative piece on Uber done in the last year and explained why the piece was "foolish", or you can just make that statement and feel like that's enough....

No, wait, you can't. Please give at least one example of a "foolish" reason that someone doesn't like Uber.

"I am surprised that as someone who pretty much every position you take is terrible you can't tell the difference between a terrible position or not."

That's almost a compliment, thank you. I mean, it doesn't address in any substantive way what I said about your terrible position, but thanks for throwing it in there.

"It is saying exactly what I said, if you don't like it don't use it. That is a pretty excellent position."

Except it again undercuts your argument that I shouldn't be looked at as a person who can make arguments about politics or policy because I choose not to vote. I've decided I don't like the political system we have in this country and how it chooses to elect "leaders", so I don't participate. My withdrawal from the public election system is roughly analogous to your withdrawal from the Charleston taxi system. Why is yours valid and mine not?

"But, if you don't like them and their business model come up with a plan that will provide a similar service with all of the operating practices you want them to do."

I have. It would be an actual, honest-to-goodness "libertarian" app that does not involve a middleman (Uber corporate) sucking money out of the equation. It would be an open-source app that would require drivers to register with the city they wish to operate in, and then allow drivers and people to connect in much the same way Uber does, only without the middleman.

That's libertarianism. Uber is capitalism, and capitalism is not about libertarianism in any commonly accepted sense of the idea.

"Pay people to work at higher than the prevailing wage even when they are not producing anything..."

You realize the very economic model you worship in the form of Uber has absolutely nothing to do with "production", right? What do the Uber corporate people produce? Litigation and PR hack work, that's all.

And, if you're so into paying people based on production, then why don't you support higher minimum wages in line with how production currently stands? One estimate says that would be almost $22 an hour.

http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications…

Oh, that's right. Because your worldview is wildly inconsistent and involves always making sure that no one but you personally succeed.

"...charge lower rates than anyone else, let the government set all of the rules that you have to follow, pretty much set up a company that is guaranteed to fail."

By this logic, every company in America should already be dead.

"Then, take that plan and invest your own money and get other people to invest and tell me how that does. Yeah, that's what I thought."

Well, thanks for giving me roughly ten seconds to do all that.

Oh, and stuff that "invest your own money" crap. No one does that on the level of Uber and you know it.

Or maybe you don't know it, which is why you're so horribly misinformed about every single thing you've brought up in this thread.

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Posted by mat catastrophe on October 21, 2015 at 11:07 PM

Re: “A quick and easy guide to Uber in Charleston

You really don't have a clue. Good thing you don't vote and nobody will ever be dependent on you for a paycheck. But, as to your ill conceived comments:

"This is somewhat true. But those enterprising people are being treated like crap by their corporate overlords at Uber. It's all part of the "gig economy" that people have foisted off on large sectors of society to keep them underemployed and, when possible, underbidding each other on their "work-as-needed" jobs."

They are working there voluntarily, some full time, some part time. Maybe tomorrow you should storm into the office of City Paper and tell them you do not want to be part of the gig economy and they should put you on full time pay with benefits no matter how much time you actually work for them.

"Elitism is a hell of a drug."

You know all too well about being an elitist even though you have no reason to be. It is about not wanting to ride in a piece of shit dirty car that comes whenever they feel like and the driver feels they are doing me a favor. In other cities I take cabs over Uber because they provide a good service at a good price. In Charleston I have never taken a cab ride that was not a bad experience on one level or another.

"The only parking problem downtown is people who are too fucking lazy to park in a garage and walk a few blocks."

The last time I drove down town for a dinner it was the third parking garage before I found a space. I have no problem walking but if I can avoid the headache and at the same time not fill another space that is a good thing.

"That's some "personal responsibility" in action right there."

Yes, that is exactly what it is.

"Uber is not free enterprise. It's monolithic corporatism. It's not "libertarian" in any sense of the word, and it is not about "freedom"."

It is a business that came about and thrived pretty much immediately because there were not too many regulations for what they were doing. They built a better mousetrap that regulations had not been created to address and now they are a very successful company. The problem they are running into is the government trying to regulate them out of business because the other people providing ride services are not doing a good enough job to compete.

"Or, you could petition your local government for changes to taxi services. Oh, wait. That's hard work. Maybe just download an app?"

It is not my local government's job to protect a business from competition. And besides that, if they have done a crap job and not earned my business in the past why would I want to help them? That is their problem to fix.

"Statements like this are typically preceded with "In my opinion"."

Based on their success it is more than just my opinion. I did a quick search and they have done over a million rides, all safe, in the state since they started. That is pretty successful.

"Maybe you should do some reading."

I have, and their reasons are foolish for not liking Uber.

"This is a terrible position to take. It's like people who say they are vegetarians to save the planet."

I am surprised that as someone who pretty much every position you take is terrible you can't tell the difference between a terrible position or not. It is saying exactly what I said, if you don't like it don't use it. That is a pretty excellent position.

But, if you don't like them and their business model come up with a plan that will provide a similar service with all of the operating practices you want them to do. Pay people to work at higher than the prevailing wage even when they are not producing anything, charge lower rates than anyone else, let the government set all of the rules that you have to follow, pretty much set up a company that is guaranteed to fail. Then, take that plan and invest your own money and get other people to invest and tell me how that does. Yeah, that's what I thought.

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Posted by nofaith on October 21, 2015 at 4:11 PM

Re: “A quick and easy guide to Uber in Charleston

"Uber has given a bunch of enterprising people income..."

This is somewhat true. But those enterprising people are being treated like crap by their corporate overlords at Uber. It's all part of the "gig economy" that people have foisted off on large sectors of society to keep them underemployed and, when possible, underbidding each other on their "work-as-needed" jobs.

"...and is providing a service that many who wouldn't bother with our (substandard at best) local taxis a service they will now use."

Elitism is a hell of a drug.

"Instead of avoiding downtown because of parking..."

The only parking problem downtown is people who are too fucking lazy to park in a garage and walk a few blocks.

"... and not wanting to have to worry about how many drinks are consumed..."

That's some "personal responsibility" in action right there.

"Fortunately the few fools that want to shut down free enterprise..."

Uber is not free enterprise. It's monolithic corporatism. It's not "libertarian" in any sense of the word, and it is not about "freedom".

"...we will still have access to this much needed service."

Or, you could petition your local government for changes to taxi services. Oh, wait. That's hard work. Maybe just download an app?

"They are a welcome addition to our community..."

Statements like this are typically preceded with "In my opinion".

"Why the naysayers are so upset I still can't figure out."

Maybe you should do some reading.

"You don't like them, don't use them or work for them."

This is a terrible position to take. It's like people who say they are vegetarians to save the planet.

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Posted by mat catastrophe on October 21, 2015 at 1:02 PM

Re: “A quick and easy guide to Uber in Charleston

Uber has given a bunch of enterprising people income and is providing a service that many who wouldn't bother with our (substandard at best) local taxis a service they will now use. Instead of avoiding downtown because of parking and not wanting to have to worry about how many drinks are consumed they now get part of my money.

Fortunately the few fools that want to shut down free enterprise will likely fail and we will still have access to this much needed service. They are a welcome addition to our community and to the others I have been to where I have utilized their services.

Why the naysayers are so upset I still can't figure out. You don't like them, don't use them or work for them.

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Posted by nofaith on October 21, 2015 at 12:43 PM

Re: “A quick and easy guide to Uber in Charleston

"Last year you slaughtered Uber with multiple negative articles."

Well, yes. And rightly so.

"Uber has helped Charleston in numerous ways..."

Citation needed.

"...including saving lives."

Citation needed.

"It would pay to warm up to Uber since the company is here to stay."

This is precisely the kind of creepy shit that Uber executives like to say, when they're not threatening reporters who do articles critical of the company (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uber-executive-th…)

"And by the way, do you think any of the taxi drivers are 'trained'?"

No, but they're all legally licensed. And yes, everyone knows that the taxi companies and local governments are complicit in a ridiculous and complicated scheme of tokens and whatever....

But Uber doesn't address that, do they?

"So let's keep it fair CCP!"

When people say "fair", it always means "please do things that are favorable to me and are in my best interests".

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Posted by mat catastrophe on October 21, 2015 at 12:15 PM

Re: “A quick and easy guide to Uber in Charleston

Wow a factual article about Uber from Charleston City Paper with only a slightly negative stance. Will wonders never cease! Last year you slaughtered Uber with multiple negative articles. Uber has helped Charleston in numerous ways, including saving lives. I know your job is to "sell" papers (yes I know yours is free), but I'd say there is a huge percentage of your readership who uses Uber regularly. It would pay to warm up to Uber since the company is here to stay. And by the way, do you think any of the taxi drivers are "trained"? So let's keep it fair CCP! A small step forward.

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Posted by Michael Jerson on October 21, 2015 at 10:45 AM

Re: “Nothing goes better with a beer than these wings

Also forgotten:

Dre.

Poland.

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Posted by mat catastrophe on October 17, 2015 at 5:07 PM

Re: “Nothing goes better with a beer than these wings

Most honorable non-mentions:

Sweet Tea Wings @ Southern General

Smoked Wings @ Swing n Swine

Thai Wings @ Dashi Food Truck




....boom.

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Posted by ChesterCopperPot on October 17, 2015 at 11:36 AM

Re: “Nothing goes better with a beer than these wings

Yes, the wings at The Tattooed Moose are the biggest in town, and oh-so-tender. They always cook them just perfectly! And the 16 oz. PBR in a can takes me back to my youth.

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Posted by localhutch on October 16, 2015 at 11:21 AM

Re: “Nothing goes better with a beer than these wings

Was at Swig and Swine last night, wings were awesome. Plump, tender, and smoked to perfection. And at happy hour price! With an Oktoberfest Sierra Nevada.

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Posted by rcwuptown on October 16, 2015 at 10:07 AM

Re: “Nothing goes better with a beer than these wings

You forgot the smoked wings at Cumberland Smoke House....they're incredible!

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Posted by goodkarmasc on October 15, 2015 at 4:31 PM

Re: “Nothing goes better with a beer than these wings

How can the Tattooed Moose NOT be on this list? 8 Buffs X-Crisp w/ Blue. Best in town.

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Posted by wstribl on October 15, 2015 at 4:30 PM

Re: “Nothing goes better with a beer than these wings

Have liked all of the ones I've tried on this list. I'd also put The Sweet Tea wings at The Southern General right up there with the best! http://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/the-souther…

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Posted by sufferinbrad on October 15, 2015 at 4:27 PM

Re: “A look at the Holy City's favorite shooters over the years

yaeger miester???spelled wrong most likely

Posted by cyndi fisher on November 17, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Re: “From a bold botanical rhum to a classic aperitif, falling mostly in love with this year's liquors

@chrishaire

Sorry, make that a ti punch. A rhum ti is... something else:)
I just finished a ti punch (which my bar didn't know, but when I said what the ingredients were they said "oh, that's a daiquiri", but their daiquiris aren't that frozen, overly sweet dessert drinks but nicely balanced tart-sweet flavor explosions) with the st George and it was really nice. It's certainly a more adventurous agricole than something like Clement, but I thought it was very nice.

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Posted by liamBees on October 31, 2014 at 10:37 PM

Re: “A salute to brandy, sherry, and cognac

@billy Great point. You could get the liquor most anywhere but to skillfully include them in a cocktail is the true challenge.

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Posted by J. Chapa on October 27, 2014 at 3:33 PM

Re: “A look at the Holy City's favorite shooters over the years

Sad there wasn't a rumpleminz appearance on this list

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Posted by Dan Williams on October 25, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Re: “From a bold botanical rhum to a classic aperitif, falling mostly in love with this year's liquors

^ ... or, in this place's case, Firefly with a Natty Light or PBR chaser.

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Posted by Pronghorn on October 24, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Re: “From a bold botanical rhum to a classic aperitif, falling mostly in love with this year's liquors

List fails without Popov with an Icehouse chaser.

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Posted by Ron Liberte on October 24, 2014 at 9:49 AM
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