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Re: “Question #6: What would you do to create more equitable housing and real estate?

I agree Mat, and of course i have to play the devils advocate in this situation. In reality Im sure that these candidates are some of the brightest well meaning people around. I just emplore everyone to use our creativiy to actually address BIG PICTURE problems that will affect us all if we don't start finding ways to amend our government and the way corporations are hijacking it.

EVERYTHING is not just business in LIFE, yet we tend to continue to try to SOLELY organize our society around production and this paper trail called the economy.

What are we going to do about it charleston? We are the shining example of this country. The one place the USA has always been proud of.

Posted by zee on August 23, 2015 at 3:19 AM

Re: “With or without King Dusko, King Street was never a music hub

Kelly Rae,

Let me start off by saying your piece made me smile just a little bit the other day when I first read it. It reminded me of a similar situation, many years ago, in another small town just up the Interstate from here. It was another town that was sort of a college town (maybe even less so than here) and there was sort of a music scene floating around.

There was also a daily newspaper, which plenty of people - mostly college students or recent graduates (and possibly more than a few recalcitrant young-at-heart types in complete denial about heading downhill towards their 40s) who read and/or worked at the weekly paper - felt was terminally unhip, and covered all the wrong bands, local or otherwise, and said all the wrong things about the "scene", as it were. After all, the daily paper covered all those dreadful national touring bands that came in to cater to the over-35 crowd, and completely missed all the cooler, newer, alternative national bands (that were coming in from the exact same major labels as the boring bands). Or worse, they talked about the "great, soulful, smooth jazz" that you could hear at one of the luxury resorts just outside the town limits, or they spotlighted one of the great cover artists playing in a downtown restaurant. In any case, it seemed like it was a time capsule of people stuck in a different time, or maybe just a different mindset.

The weekly paper, though, those kids had it together. They wrote about all those edgy "alternative" or "indie" bands that were coming to town (sadly, many of whom were also on the same major labels as the crappy national bands and the cool, alternative national bands) and playing in one of the towns one or two big venues (the ones that weren't the Civic Center, at least). They even covered the local record label when it sprouted up and that scene took off. Some of those local bands even headlined shows at those big, non-Civic Center venues (well, OK, it was on "off-nights" usually, but that's still better than another Grateful Dead cover band on a Wednesday or Thursday night, right?). The weekly paper, after all, was totally into the "scene" in a way the squares at the daily paper just couldn't be.

However there was also a completely different subset of kids who looked at the weekly paper as being equally out of touch with what was "really going on" - as these were the folks whose shows weren't advertised anywhere except maybe on handmade and Xeroxed flyers stapled to telephone poles and wheat pasted to any other flat surface available. These kids were in bands that maybe, maybe, maybe might get to open a show of six other bands on an off night in one of the bigger spaces in town, but more often than not were relegated to one of the quasi-legal show spaces they'd carved out for themselves around town (something that I'm almost certain doesn't happen around here at all) or at house shows (which I've heard does happen around here, but I'm not sure how since apparently you can't sneeze downtown past 2AM without some one getting upset about "all the goddamn noise").

So, at the outset, it was a nice, warm, nostalgic smile at the fact that the situation apparently hasn't changed in 20 years as far as how urban music reporting/criticism works: here's the weekly paper calling out the daily for being unhip, followed by the requisite posting in the comments that the weekly paper itself is pretty unhip, followed by some more back-and-forth about what's going on and where and who gets included in what areas and what does it all mean and basically what is missed is that Charleston, or pretty much any other town for that matter, doesn't really have a single music scene. Or maybe there is a scene, but it's hard to pinpoint because people are trying to pin it down to some particular geographic location, or to one particular local label, or whatever.

That's not an indictment of the Paper, or the writers, or you as the editor. It's not even an indictment of the bands. It's just that pop music in general is stuck in a huge creative rut these days. The warm smile over the comfortable nostalgia of watching yet another discussion about "the scene" play out between a weekly music editor annoyed at the daily paper's inept coverage followed then by the comments section being equally dismissive was replaced by that horrible feeling of dread. The dread that comes from knowing that this exact thing has been happening for years. Over and over again.

I bet if you went back in the City Paper archives, you could find an article very similar to yours, written by someone upset about something the Post and Courier wrote. I bet the comments (if it was from a time when there was a comments section) read the same way as this one. Hell, there may even have been a jaded old "troll" like me in there somewhere, too. That's almost as disturbing as the fact that the music we are arguing over has also not changed one bit in 10, or 20, or probably close to 30 years now.

Now, as to my "trolling" of the music section, here's another blunt opinion: most of what is covered in the City Paper doesn't interest me. (note: everyone who is now pissed at me personally about that statement can either read this comment to the end and then make a judgment about what they just read, or you can just leave it alone. I'd prefer you read to the end and think about it for five minutes).

But here's the thing: It's just too easy to call out the opinions of people that fall outside of your comfort zone as being trolls. Sure, I posted a brief comment. Sure, it might have been designed to stir up the tiniest bit of angst (which it apparently did). But was it made just to do that, with absolutely nothing else behind it but a malicious intent to cause trouble? Nope. I don't often say anything that doesn't have a good bit of thought behind it, and it's usually been stewing in my head for years.

What I am guilty of is sometimes reducing my own personal thought process into extreme short hand. This is the other side of that. But let's move on....

In my mind, there's virtually no difference in the "musicians play[ing] acoustic covers to an audience that doesn't care they're there" and the bands playing original music that sounds very much like cover songs because they're essentially carbon copies of some older band's material. And yet, here we are, talking about bands and genres that could essentially be easily slotted in alongside artists from any of the last five decades.

That's not exactly a good thing. One of the few things I agree on (at least in part) with Jaron Lanier in his book "You Are Not A Gadget" is the notion that somewhere around the 1990s, pop music began to cease its more-or-less constant cycling out of styles once a decade. His argument continues on that you could take a mix of songs recorded between the late 90s and the late 00's (or even now in the mid-teens) and play them to a group of people (who aren't presumably incredible music nerds, just average folks), and they wouldn't be able to tell you accurately what decade any of the music was recorded in.

So, his thinking is that there aren't really as many fresh, new ideas in music anymore, but rather there's just more and more and more bands who are quite comfortable playing in retro/nostalgic genres. Of course, he's also anti-mash up and recycling of cultural detritus in new and interesting ways, so there's that.

If his argument is correct, then that's about 20 years worth of music covering three decades that sounds virtually indistinguishable from either its nearby contemporaries or the decades-past genres it's leeching from. So, when you say "the music community is far more diverse than it was ten years ago, when we did not have multiple venues all over town serving the hip-hop, punk, and metal fans", is that really something to get excited about? That in ten years the best you can say about the growth of the music scene is that there are more venues catering to established, decades-old genres?

I mean, we get pissed when Hollywood reboots a film franchise or remakes a classic, so why aren't we just as unhappy that music is essentially doing the exact same thing?

Here's probably the best part of all of it: That town I mentioned earlier, the one from years ago? In hindsight, almost every single band in town was doing the exact same regurgitation of older material in some form or fashion, some of them more blatantly than others, but it was the same thing. There were paint-by-numbers punk bands. There were metal bands of every stripe. There were Americana bands. There were New Wave bands. Blues bands. Jazz bands. Jazz singers. There were hardcore bands (whatever that means). Emo bands, then screamo bands. Folk-rock-country bands. Hip-hop bands. Solo acoustic acts, both covers and originals and mixes of the two.

None of it was terribly new or even interesting. It just seemed that way at the time, and now it doesn't at all.

And it isn't even the case that sometimes the band, or the song, just sucks. It isn't that the bands covered here in Charleston aren't good, most of them are in fact pretty good. It's just that they're good at things that have been done before and I think that's worthy of pointing out in music criticism as a negative, and not as a celebration.

Mr. Cooler can point out the good that Dusko did for the "hardcore,pop punk,punk,metal,noise" scenes in town all he wants, but since this isn't 1977, or 1987, or 1997, or even 2007, it's all a bit for naught, isn't it? And let's not even start on the faux-Americana revival, which was dull in the 80s and 90s and is even duller now.

And that's why I think it's easier for us not to notice it and also why it's harder for those closest to it to see it for what it is and criticize it. I know I wasn't particularly critical of too many of the bands that I liked back in the day, especially the ones whose members I was hanging out with. Did we think that some bands were great, and some really sucked? Well, yea, but then again, see above where I talked about the different "scenes" in town.

Still, I could be wrong. I could just be one of those people who reached the point at which they just stop listening to new music entirely, whether or not it's because the music is boring or just not good anymore or, you know, you just stop having hours on end to devote to putting on headphones and listening to a new album (not that any does that anymore either, mind you). If you or anyone else in town wants to point me to a band or an act that they think is doing something outrageously fresh and wonderful (that doesn't involve, as I said before, just mix-and-match genres), that's great. You can pass it on. I'll listen to it. It's not as if I don't have an open mind.

It's just that I don't have as much time to be open to things I've heard before.

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Posted by mat catastrophe on August 22, 2015 at 11:10 PM

Re: “Piepmeier: I wish I had good news to tell you

Kinsey and Chris, could you please delete the accounts of the pieces of shit posting online earning scam comments? In a setting like this one, 2 of 4 comments are bullshit online postings, and that is pathetic.

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Posted by BNP29412 on August 22, 2015 at 10:21 PM

Re: “Student housing gets swanky with 930 NoMo

We live in South Carolina. We shopped around for housing in the Charleston area and this still came in as a good value. We are not rich. Charleston is expensive unless you live in a really bad area. I would think that next year the rental on 930 Nomo will greatly increase and we will not be there at that point. But for now it is about what older rental houses are going for that is within walking distance to the school. The shuttle of course is a great plus since my child will not have to walk past any bad areas. They have private garage parking spaces and is gated. How much more secure can you get in any downtown area?

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Posted by Michael Allen on August 22, 2015 at 7:44 PM

Re: “With or without King Dusko, King Street was never a music hub

Hi Dick Cooler: I never insulted King Dusko or denied their contribution to the music community. But they didn't make King St. a music hub. You'd have to have several King Duskos on the street for that to happen. And how was I biased when I pointed out that the music community is far more diverse than it was ten years ago, when we did not have multiple venues all over town serving the hip-hop, punk, and metal fans and not just catering to the acoustic covers crowd the city is saturated with. If you think about it I think you'll find we're actually saying the same thing and are on the same side. My taste is extremely diverse, which is why they let me be a music editor. If you've paid attention to what we write about every week, you'd see that.

Mat - If music is overrated it'd be great if you could stop trolling the music section. Your comments are neither cute nor clever.

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Posted by Kelly Rae Smith on August 22, 2015 at 2:15 PM

Re: “Prayer, fasting could have prevented Emanuel 9 tragedy, according to group's teachings

Clarkie, go back to your fairy tales. Adults are talking.

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Posted by leemajors on August 22, 2015 at 10:05 AM

Re: “Weekend Round-Up: Storming into the weekend

Elizabeth . I can see what your saying... Sandra `s comment is surprising... on sunday I got a brand new Dodge since I been making $9874 this-past/four weeks and over 10k last-month . it's by-far the most-financially rewarding I have ever had . I began this five months/ago and immediately startad bringin in more than $84, p/h . go +_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+ _+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+WWW.Report-Today.COM

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Posted by Violet Park on August 22, 2015 at 9:13 AM

Re: “The Agenda: 'Drones' as privacy concerns?; Choice and neighborhood schools; A pricey Battery home

Somehow my choices for educational opportunities offered to everyone, somehow impacts you? How so? Is this like the way you say others choices about marriage somehow effect your marriage?

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Posted by Fish Pimp on August 22, 2015 at 8:58 AM

Re: “Weekend Round-Up: Storming into the weekend

The Riverdogs have home games scheduled for next weekend too..

Posted by Abbazabba on August 22, 2015 at 8:42 AM

Re: “Prayer, fasting could have prevented Emanuel 9 tragedy, according to group's teachings

Are you kidding me ? You pray for someone before they die here, prayers will not help anyone who has now died in this life. Nor Fasting . When you look around in this society, you see what man has done to corrupt it and turned away from God .Even our president has sided and supported that which God condemns. And so has society in general. I suppose we have forgotten what God did to Sodom and those other 4 Cities of the plains.

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Posted by Clarkie on August 22, 2015 at 8:03 AM

Re: “Where to plan your fantasy football draft party in Charleston

I once went to a bar during one of these draft parties. I've seen less homoerotic behavior at Pantheon.

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Posted by Ron Liberte on August 21, 2015 at 9:39 PM

Re: “Stegelin: A look at Bernie Sanders

You whacked out conservatives are so pathetic you can't even laugh at yourself. That is why it is impossible to have a rational discussion with conservatives. Misinformed, dishonest and intolerant of any position that does not match lock step with what you are told to believe, that is the sad state of conservatives in this country and why you are all so pissed off all of the time.

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Posted by word on August 21, 2015 at 9:26 PM

Re: “Where to plan your fantasy football draft party in Charleston

Royal American. Why would you even consider doing it somewhere else??

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Posted by landsnark on August 21, 2015 at 8:23 PM

Re: “With or without King Dusko, King Street was never a music hub

Music is highly overrated.

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Posted by mat catastrophe on August 21, 2015 at 6:08 PM

Re: “Stegelin: A look at Bernie Sanders

^ is the most projection I have seen in a while. Impressive. A+ Would laugh at again.

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Posted by Ron Liberte on August 21, 2015 at 5:45 PM

Re: “A coffee cretin gets schooled at the Counter Culture training center

Dunkin...the finest of all coffee. A rich deep "arresting" aroma, almost a blue tint to the fine oily top and always accompanied by H. Simpson's Breakfast of Champions choice. Slurping? Puh-lease, the CCPD's been doing that for years with Dunkin.

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Posted by CIACulinaryKid on August 21, 2015 at 5:30 PM

Re: “Prayer, fasting could have prevented Emanuel 9 tragedy, according to group's teachings

What is a matter with people these days? Don't they see the craziness with what these people are selling?

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Posted by notatourist on August 21, 2015 at 4:57 PM

Re: “With or without King Dusko, King Street was never a music hub

Very biased article. DUSKO did a lot for the underground music scene(hardcore,pop punk,punk,metal,noise...etc) there aren't a lot of venues that will let shows like that be booked, because it doesn't catch the general publics attention. But for us punk,hardcore & metal kids it was a fantastic venue. Also I'm pretty sure the owner is opening up a new venue. And yeah in my opinion dusko did make that part of King a music hub. Same with joe pasta. (Dusko,joes pasta,music farm, occasionally big gun).

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Posted by Dick Cooler on August 21, 2015 at 4:46 PM

Re: “Prayer, fasting could have prevented Emanuel 9 tragedy, according to group's teachings

Aptly named, as the idiots who attend/fund SeaCult are definitely sheep.

I had a girlfriend that somehow got caught up in that nonsense, and all was lost.

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Posted by Todd Gaines on August 21, 2015 at 4:35 PM

Re: “Stegelin: A look at Bernie Sanders

You whacked out leftists are so pathetic you can't even laugh at yourself. That is why it is impossible to have a rational discussion with liberals. Misinformed, dishonest and intolerant of any position that does not match lock step with what you are told to believe, that is the sad state of liberals in this country and why you are all so pissed off all of the time.

"You don't necessarily need a choice of 23 underarm spray deodorants or of 18 different pairs of sneakers when children are hungry in this country." Bernie Sanders showing his twisted beliefs about economics. The politics of greed and envy, you can't be successful on your own so you have to take from people that are. Or as you leftists like to put it, level the playing field. Everybody gets a trophy is all well and good but then the trophy is only worth something to the people making them.

Look in the mirror, make a stupid face and laugh at yourself every so often. Sometimes a joke is just a joke.

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Posted by nofaith on August 21, 2015 at 4:27 PM
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