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Re: “Charleston ranked #1 by Travel+Leisure readers, again

"Where as Charleston is experiencing amazing growth: http://www.thestate.com/2013/06/13/2817014…"
In the eye of the beholder there, the Charleston metro has a growth rate of 5% from 2010 to 2012 and picks up 30,000 people, and Oklahoma City has a growth rate of 3.3% and picks up 45,000 people while Nashville,TN has a growth rate of 3% and picks up 60,000 people. Since 50% more people are moving to Oklahoma City than Charleston, you would guess Oklahoma CIty is a more desireable place to live than Charleston. Now, that amazing!

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Posted by JDChas on July 3, 2014 at 10:17 AM

Re: “There is still hope for new CofC leader Glenn McConnell

Again, thank you for proving my point.

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Posted by nofaith on July 3, 2014 at 10:17 AM

Re: “The city steps up the enforcement of 'minor' crimes

There is good, useful information in this article. Charleston's ordinance puts a high burden on the officer to prove. They're aren't likely to have video and juries are more skeptical of police testimony than they used to be. Taxi and cab companies are very agressive in seeking business and the police may see a value in cultivating thier goodwill. From the police perspective people who are under the influence of alchohol walking home are easy targets for criminals and they type of crime the city dreads, where someone in injured or killed. Such an incident can produce national publicity which can negatively impact the City's economy.

It seems clear the the law enforcement decisions being made here are being colored by a lot of complex political, social and economic considerations. Charleston is increasingly a manufactured product and the attempt to regulate a city into something with the controlled texture of a privately owned Disney resort has inherent problems. Given the devistating impact of a disorderly conduct charge on your job and earning capacity (witness what happened to the former executive director of CARTA), you should take the cab, but if you end up arrested, these are charges you can beat in court or hopefully make a deal on which keeps your record clean. You should call a lawyer.

There is a lot going on out there now. The police haven't been able to get their midnight closing of bars passed, which would have been followed up by a program of shutting down the grandfathered bars and restaurants which were supposed to have the opportunity to continue in business. They're frustrated and want to go home to their families at 1 am. It's a complex problem to manage for the individual who drinks and walks. All SC law enforcement agencies need to increase revenue and they expect officers to write tickets and make arrests. Angry, elederly property owners here don't want to pay taxes and they prefer to have their towns and cities raise revenue by arresting young people for things which nobody would have considered arreting them for 40 years ago.

The next Mayor elected will set the tone and direction of Charleston for years. Every voter needs to be very careful who they vote for. As always: Ignore what they say. Find out what they've done. Know who gives them money. Vote accordingly.

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Posted by wjhamilton29464 on July 3, 2014 at 10:14 AM

Re: “Bohemian Bull is a relaxing spot for burgers and beers

"Another one of these useless places that try to circumvent smoking protections by having one of those horrible in/out bars."

While I don't like smoking, I don't think their intention with this bar is to get around a smoking ban. I majority of their customers don't even smoke. They are going for the whole Beergarten theme, that is so popular. Popularity comes from the fact that Charleston has pretty nice weather (except for today). My only complaint is that their beer prices tend to be on the high side for a James Island bar.

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Posted by brewengineer on July 3, 2014 at 10:11 AM

Re: “Charleston ranked #1 by Travel+Leisure readers, again

Good grief. If being the most populous city had anything to do with being an awesome tourist destination, Lagos, Karachi and Lahore should be on your world travel bucket list. Are they? Not that I understand why anyone would come here on vacation either.

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Posted by no dirt bikes allowed on July 3, 2014 at 10:10 AM

Re: “The city steps up the enforcement of 'minor' crimes

I think the point of the article is you can call a cab and get arrested by overzealous police officers while waiting to get picked up. The police in downtown Charleston have always been ticket happy but it seems that they have gotten even worse as little joe and Chief Mullen try and kill the bar business.

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Posted by nofaith on July 3, 2014 at 10:10 AM

Re: “Charleston ranked #1 by Travel+Leisure readers, again

"Yeah, big time population growth here Jaxx. At the rate the Charleston metro has grown from 650,000 to 700,000 people, it will only take it 520 years to catch up to that huge metropolis of St. Louis. MO. Don't worry it might pass Des Moines, Iowa in the next 50 years though."

Oh yeah, St Louis is really a top vacation destination. LOL.

BTW, population growth usually shows how attractive a city is, not straight up total population. As far as population growth goes, St Louis is not doing so well: http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/census…
Where as Charleston is experiencing amazing growth: http://www.thestate.com/2013/06/13/2817014…

All this really doesn't matter though, because this is a damn Travel and Leisure poll that doesn't really deal with top places to live. Population is not really determined by attractiveness of the area either. It has a lot to do with industry and jobs, which is still very limited in Charleston.

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Posted by brewengineer on July 3, 2014 at 10:00 AM

Re: “Obama behind JFK in new 'best president' poll, Dubya tied for last with Nixon

Obama won Charleston County. This is a fact, and I'm just stating it.

Colleton, Hampton, and Jasper as well.

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Posted by Pronghorn on July 3, 2014 at 9:41 AM

Re: “Charleston ranked #1 by Travel+Leisure readers, again

Lol, I agree, this poll is pathetic. Charleston is great, but so many cities I would vote ahead of it. It might crack my top 50. Jaxx, do us a favor and look up population of US cities and metro areas and population growth before you act like you know what your talking about.

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Posted by BelowBroad on July 3, 2014 at 9:38 AM

Re: “Charleston ranked #1 by Travel+Leisure readers, again

I'm assuming that James Island is included in the rankings; the Folly Road Huddle House™ surely boosted the score.

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Posted by Pronghorn on July 3, 2014 at 9:35 AM

Re: “Charleston ranked #1 by Travel+Leisure readers, again

"If you haven't noticed the droves of people moving to the Charleston area, you must have your head firmly planted up your ass." Yeah, big time population growth here Jaxx. At the rate the Charleston metro has grown from 650,000 to 700,000 people, it will only take it 520 years to catch up to that huge metropolis of St. Louis. MO. Don't worry it might pass Des Moines, Iowa in the next 50 years though.

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Posted by JDChas on July 3, 2014 at 9:31 AM

Re: “Bohemian Bull is a relaxing spot for burgers and beers

Another one of these useless places that try to circumvent smoking protections by having one of those horrible in/out bars.
You are on one side of the bar trying to enjoy your drink and food, the drug addicts are on the other side, technically outside, blowing their poison in at you.
Not acceptable.

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on July 3, 2014 at 9:26 AM

Re: “Bohemian Bull is a relaxing spot for burgers and beers

How is the veggie burger?

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Posted by Pronghorn on July 3, 2014 at 9:24 AM

Re: “The city steps up the enforcement of 'minor' crimes

And when they "need to talk to a lawyer" of course they should call your firm, yes? The police are trying to clean up the problems that are obviously recurring in the bar district. How about that if you have had too much to drink, you call a cab? The cost in time and trouble is well worth the price of a ride in one of our yellow limos. Oh, so you say, it is the principle of it all. Well, get over it and realize the enforcement efforts are going to increase, not decrease.

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Posted by localhutch on July 3, 2014 at 9:24 AM

Re: “Charleston ranked #1 by Travel+Leisure readers, again

To be fair to Charleston, it wins over Bali easily. Whatever Bali might have once been, you can't insert thousands of drunk Australians anywhere and maintain any sort of desirability.

Charleston and London cannot be even mentioned in the same sentence, that would be foolish.

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Posted by Cid95 on July 3, 2014 at 9:05 AM

Re: “Obama behind JFK in new 'best president' poll, Dubya tied for last with Nixon

Cid,

I'm glad you found this amusing. I trust you understand that's the point of the article, which was, more or less, a rewritten version of the Politico article linked to.

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Posted by chrishaire on July 3, 2014 at 8:52 AM

Re: “Charleston ranked #1 by Travel+Leisure readers, again

I'm just guessing, but since since the average pollster is 50 and makes a median income of almost $100K, that this persona probably won't care about the earlier closings since I doubt they're staying out drinking on Upper King until the wee hours of the morning...

Also, does this poll people outside the US? Because I doubt my family in Switzerland, who has visited me here many times, would rate Charleston even in the top 5, since they've also been to Bali and London and most of continental Europe.

This poll is aimed right at the demographic that WOULD find Charleston most appealing - it's small, fairly expensive, safe, with warm weather and lots of daytime activities.

I'd be more interested in what a international, multi-generational, varied income poll would come up with, because I'm pretty sure Disney World is the number one worldwide travel destination...

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Posted by Elise Ladew on July 3, 2014 at 8:29 AM

Re: “Charleston ranked #1 by Travel+Leisure readers, again

If you haven't noticed the droves of people moving to the Charleston area, you must have your head firmly planted up your ass.

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Posted by Jaxx on July 3, 2014 at 8:24 AM

Re: “Obama behind JFK in new 'best president' poll, Dubya tied for last with Nixon

"When will the media stop to be so servile to the most criminal family in modern history?"

Someone else around here's channeling Francis E. Dec? I can't take it.

Posted by mat catastrophe on July 3, 2014 at 7:43 AM

Re: “Charleston ranked #1 by Travel+Leisure readers, again

"If the #1 city in the USA and #2 in the WORLD to travel to has nothing to do with how many people live there, something seems totally screwed up."

You are sort of right. Being a travel destination, lack of a massive population tends to be a benefit. When you think of vacation, you don't pick up a world map and say "hmm, where can I go that has the most people crammed into a small area." Remember, this is a poll for travel destinations, not best places to live.

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Posted by brewengineer on July 3, 2014 at 7:38 AM
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