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Re: “The media, elected officials unite with big business to oppose unions

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy…

“One Republican in Congress warned our policies would diminish employment and diminish stock prices. Diminish stock prices,” the President said, summoning his most dismissive tone. “The stock market has doubled since I came into office. Corporate profits are—corporate balance sheets are stronger than they have ever been—because of my terrible business policies.” At this point, Obama was interrupted by laughter, but he was only getting started. “One Republican senator claimed we faced trillion-dollar deficits as far as the eye can see,” he went on. “Another predicted my reëlection would spike gas prices to $6.60 a gallon. I don’t know how he came up with that figure: $6.60.”


The President didn’t pause to point out that, since late last year, gas prices have been below $2.50 in many parts of the country. He was too busy jabbing at Mitt Romney and John Boehner. “My opponent in that last election pledged that he could bring down the unemployment rate to six per cent by 2016—next year,” Obama said. “It’s 5.5 now. And right here in Cleveland, the leader of the House Republicans—a good friend of mine—he captured his party’s economic theories by critiquing mine with a very simple question: ‘Where are the jobs?’ he said. ‘Where are the jobs?’ I’m sure there was a headline in the Plain Dealer or one of the papers—‘Where Are the Jobs?’ ”

The answer, of course, is that they are being created at a rate not seen since the late nineteen-nineties, which just happens to be the last time a Democrat occupied the White House. Since 2010, twelve million new jobs have been created—Obama didn’t omit to cite that figure—and the unemployment rate has dropped from 9.9 per cent to 5.5 per cent. And that’s not the end of it.

Even accounting for the roughly five million jobs that were lost during the Great Recession and its aftermath, about seven million more Americans now have work than when the President took office, in January, 2009. The budget deficit sits at 2.8 per cent of G.D.P., less than it was in the last year of the Bush Administration, when it was 3.1 per cent. Stock prices and corporate profits, as Obama pointed out, have never been higher. To be sure, he didn’t create the surge in U.S. energy production that prompted Saudi Arabia to let the price of oil plummet, thereby putting smiles on the faces of American motorists. But nor did he do anything to prevent it, despite calls from environmentalists to do so. Republican claims that his policies would send gas prices soaring turned out to be wrong, and it was fair for Obama to remind people of that fact.



Objective facts.

Posted by Fish Pimp on April 25, 2015 at 7:54 PM

Re: “The media, elected officials unite with big business to oppose unions

I agree with IP. The left has their share of rigid ideologues, too. But on the left, at least in America, these crazies tend to represent organizations such as PETA. Or they are for open border immigration. Or they want to take away gun rights. Or they are eco-terrorists burning down McMansions. They take a rigid moral stance with no nuance. The counterpart on the right are the pro-lifers and the NRA.

Unlike the right, the leftists are not denying the consensus on scientific fact. On evolution. Or global warming. Or Keynesian economics. The science is settled.

The leftists make arguments based on 1. greed 2. facts and 3. morals. The righties make arguments based on 1. greed 2. morals and 3. fear. When the unemployment rate comes down under a Democrat (and it always does) the Republicans suddenly try to claim the "real" unemployment rate is much higher because of those who have stopped looking and are no longer counted as unemployed. Of course the methodology doesn't change in the way the data are recorded. It was the same exact measure for Bush, but they undermine faith in the data when Obama looks good. It's Obama's fault when gas prices rise but not when they drop. Same with the stock market. And interest rates. Conservatives can't expect to be taken seriously when they are always wrong about everything.

Now artrogue has a problem with the Bureau of labor statistics.

An IP is claiming

"the former president of the Harvard Law Review who still believes that a single payer health care system is the way to go, in spite of overwhelming evidence from Britain's NIH, definitively proving that a single payer system is an abject failure, in almost every metric worth quantifying. "

If I may retort, I think the most obvious metric worth quantifying is the number of people with health insurance in the US. The next most obvious metric is the price of health insurance in the US. How much has it increased since the ACA rolled out? Let's start with those metrics. Let's talk about objective facts.

But this is my favorite:

"That same HLR president who also believes that income redistribution and socialism are better than capitalism, because he knows better than mental midgets like Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Jaye, Washington and Franklin. After all, he's The President..."

These were all very liberal minded men. They fought against the status quo and worked together to make a new form of self government successful. They designed the Constitution as a living document, capable of being adapted to changing times. The founding fathers have nothing to do with conservatism. The similarities stop at greed.

I'm okay with Obama, even if he isn't as smart as Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson.

The last smart Republican President was Richard Nixon, IMO. EPA, Clean Air, Clean Water, endangered species act, opened China to commerce. Ended the war in Vietnam. He ultimately fell victim to his own fears and paranoia. Eisenhower was pretty brilliant, too. Federal highways and military industrial complex and winning WWII and all. There is a man who understood objective facts.

Posted by Fish Pimp on April 25, 2015 at 6:35 PM

Re: “S.C. lawmaker proposes firing squad as death penalty option

"A consistently applied, expeditious death penalty (only after a judicial conviction with fair due process, of course) would be THE most fiscally responsible punishment. What we have now is neither consistently applied nor expeditious, obviously. It's a jumbled mess."

It's never going to not be a jumbled mess. The very nature of the death penalty means due process can't be consistently applied or expeditious. Look at the case of Anthony Ray Hinton who was freed earlier this month after 30 years on death row. How many innocent people are not as lucky and are killed by the state? You constantly bitch about how ineffective the government is, so why do you want to entrust them with this power?

Your little limited-government-loving self wants the state to have the power to kill people because that's just the kind of person you are. I get it man. It's fine. Own it.

Posted by Ron Liberte on April 25, 2015 at 5:09 PM

Re: “Five sessions to catch at Dig South

Be sure to catch the ones where the presenters talk about how "we're in another age of exploration. First we had Christopher Columbus and De Soto and other explorers fan out along the globe and conquer civilizations" as if that were something to be proud of instead of something to be horrified by.


http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/charles…

Posted by mat catastrophe on April 25, 2015 at 4:55 PM

Re: “King Street Grille closing Citadel Mall location

"Europe has storefronts in CBD's / city centers because they control sprawl".

Controlling sprawl means controlling the market, you commie. You frequently mention all of these great things European countries do. Most of them tend to not let deregulated corporations run wild on their citizens and environment. It's a shame you don't support that in your own country.

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Posted by Ron Liberte on April 25, 2015 at 4:53 PM

Re: “The Agenda: State may pony up for Volvo; S.C. DMV changes appearance policy after settlement; Boeing CEO on worker organizing: "We will work with them"

"The problem in the US today is that too many simpletons think elections are like football games. "

I certainly don't. I think they're theater.

Posted by mat catastrophe on April 25, 2015 at 4:49 PM
Posted by mat catastrophe on April 25, 2015 at 4:48 PM

Re: “Interfaith group calling for action on wage theft

I'm just catching up on this from my hiatus last year. But the conservative pain in the comments to last year's piece is hilarious.

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Posted by mat catastrophe on April 25, 2015 at 4:40 PM

Re: “The media, elected officials unite with big business to oppose unions

Well, that's quite a lot of pointy headed psychobabble from fish pimp.

Let's break it down a little further for the "Fox News" viewers:

"The sociological evidence seems to indicate that the stronger ones political belief and self-identification, the less capable the individual is of identifying objective facts. This explains why Fox News viewers consistently score lowest on tests of objective facts pertaining to current events. (ie Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11, Obama was born in Kenya, etc)"

OK. Let's assume that is a true statement. The stronger your beliefs, the less likely you are at identifying objective facts, right? Wouldn't that also apply to rabid progressives who watch only MSLSD? After all, the left is riddled with rigid ideologues who self identify at every chance they get - usually with those stupid "Coexist" bumper stickers on the bumpers of their non union built Priuses. So if rigid conservatives are lousy at identifying facts, then it must be true that rigid progressives are equally lousy at identifying facts. Apparently, FP would have us all believe that the only people who are any good at identifying objective facts are those who don't give a shit one way or the other to begin with. That sounds enlightened.

"When it comes to subjects which require fact, such as economics and science, conservatives cannot be trusted. They simply deny the truth and attack the source when it suits them. Nu-uh is their favorite response to empirical evidence. Global warming isn't real. And then they use all their money to pay kooks to produce corporate junk science so they can pretend to justify their greed and willful ignorance."

I guess this paragraph was meant to reinforce the whole "because conservatives can't identify facts" they cannot be trusted. So by that reasoning, leftist ideologues (who also can't identify facts) cannot be trusted either. When leftists are presented with facts and empirical evidence, they too must deny them. Like the fact that "climate scientists" were predicting imminent global cooling and a coming ice age only 40 years ago; and that they were wrong then, just as they are wrong now. Like the fact that the earth has been much warmer and much cooler than it is right now, and that the only possible explanation for those past deviations were cyclical solar activity, volcanism and meteor impacts, since the internal combustion engine and the industrial age weren't around back then to shoulder the blame. And yes, they (progressive leftists) use their corporate money (George Soros, and Tom Steyer) and the taxpayer's money too, all in the name of advancing a bogus climate change scare, just so they can find new ways to tax the creation, production and consumption of energy, which is useful to every human being on the planet. (You want to define a hypocrite? Look up hedge fund billionaire Steyer's decades long investments in coal mining. Or look up the millions earned by Al Gore through his Gulfstream globetrotting "earth has a fever" climate change hustle.)

"It's not surprising that, in the name of diversity and corporate donations, Harvard would employ a conservative moron to deny the data on income and productivity. The morons who came up with the economic theory of "expansionary austerity" were from Harvard, too. Didn't make them correct. Going back to Galileo, conservative science is never proven correct by history. Discoveries of fact are made by people who think outside of the (conservative) box."

So from this paragraph we have learned that conservative morons from Harvard will deny data and empirical evidence to keep the corporate donations rolling. I wonder if FP feels the same way about the progressive leftist morons from Harvard? You know the ones I'm talking about. Like the former president of the Harvard Law Review who still believes that a single payer health care system is the way to go, in spite of overwhelming evidence from Britain's NIH, definitively proving that a single payer system is an abject failure, in almost every metric worth quantifying. That same HLR president who also believes that income redistribution and socialism are better than capitalism, because he knows better than mental midgets like Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Jaye, Washington and Franklin. After all, he's The President...

It may be fair to say that rigid ideologues are unwilling to accept evidence contrary to their own closely held beliefs.

But it is quite unfair to say that it is only conservatives who suck at "identifying objective facts". There are plenty of leftist progressives who are just as guilty of being "factually challenged".

And they have a lot more than one news network platform from which to proselytize. Fish Pimp is proof positive of that fact....

Posted by I P Yuengling on April 25, 2015 at 4:33 PM

Re: “The Agenda: State may pony up for Volvo; S.C. DMV changes appearance policy after settlement; Boeing CEO on worker organizing: "We will work with them"

While campaign finance is a blind spot in our supposed 'democracy,' and both parties are beholden to the same corrupt forces--I am more confident in a party that supports worthwhile safety nets for regular people than one that blatantly works against those social programs, and actively supports the capitalist forces that have uncoupled our wages from our productivity.

In short, fuck the GOP and their shameless corporate welfare bullshit.

Posted by leemajors on April 25, 2015 at 3:22 PM

Re: “King Street Grille closing Citadel Mall location

It's odd that the new thing in the US is a return to strip malls (albeit with more trees in the parking lot than the original post-WWII version).

Europe has storefronts in CBD's / city centers because they control sprawl and maintain "downtown" areas even in small towns and villages.

Asia has indoor multi-story malls because space is at a premium in their many mega-cities.

And the US is going back to the future.

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Posted by Cid95 on April 25, 2015 at 2:58 PM

Re: “The media, elected officials unite with big business to oppose unions

So, in summary, I'm right and you're stupid and thus always wrong. And so is anyone you agree with or that agrees with you. Because I say so.

Your logic is Vulcan-like and infallible.

Posted by Cid95 on April 25, 2015 at 2:54 PM

Re: “Five sessions to catch at Dig South

just as Stephen replied I am blown away that any body able to earn $9458 in 4 weeks on the computer . Look At This .....


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Posted by Katty Taylor on April 25, 2015 at 2:52 PM

Re: “Blotter: By the Hammer of Door!

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Posted by Katty Taylor on April 25, 2015 at 2:49 PM

Re: “From a jiu-jitsu class to the RiverDogs, a recap of Bourdain's Charleston tour

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Posted by Katty Taylor on April 25, 2015 at 2:48 PM

Re: “The Agenda: State may pony up for Volvo; S.C. DMV changes appearance policy after settlement; Boeing CEO on worker organizing: "We will work with them"

"I guess that's the way you have to be when you're bribing for campaign cash with taxpayer dollars."

You don't really think this is just a "conservative" thing, do you? Both our major political parties are ass-deep in connections to funding because they have to be to compete with and beat the other guys.

The problem in the US today is that too many simpletons think elections are like football games. You choose your team and support them and the other teams all suck, no matter what, even if they have the winning plan.

Posted by Cid95 on April 25, 2015 at 2:47 PM

Re: “Jeni's Splendid Ice Creams closed due to listeria threat

just as Stephen replied I am blown away that any body able to earn $7098 in 4 weeks on the computer . Look At This ....

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Posted by Katty Taylor on April 25, 2015 at 2:46 PM

Re: “S.C. lawmaker proposes firing squad as death penalty option

Ron - A consistently applied, expeditious death penalty (only after a judicial conviction with fair due process, of course) would be THE most fiscally responsible punishment. What we have now is neither consistently applied nor expeditious, obviously. It's a jumbled mess. The Singapore model I cited is a good example.

What I really admire, though, is how in your world people all fit in nice little boxes. Everyone that you disagree with is automatically a libertarian, it seems, and all libertarians apparently agree completely on all issues.

Thus, it's easy for you know exactly what everyone should think about anything. I'm unable to find such absolute clarity in the world. Things seem a lot more gray to me. You are a true visionary, cutting out all that clutter about different viewpoints, individual differentiation, variations in positions on issues, etc.

Bravo, sir!

Posted by Cid95 on April 25, 2015 at 2:41 PM

Re: “The media, elected officials unite with big business to oppose unions

The sociological evidence seems to indicate that the stronger ones political belief and self-identification, the less capable the individual is of identifying objective facts. This explains why Fox News viewers consistently score lowest on tests of objective facts pertaining to current events. (ie Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11, Obama was born in Kenya, etc)

When it comes to subjects which require fact, such as economics and science, conservatives cannot be trusted. They simply deny the truth and attack the source when it suits them. Nu-uh is their favorite response to empirical evidence. Global warming isn't real. And then they use all their money to pay kooks to produce corporate junk science so they can pretend to justify their greed and willful ignorance.

It's not surprising that, in the name of diversity and corporate donations, Harvard would employ a conservative moron to deny the data on income and productivity. The morons who came up with the economic theory of "expansionary austerity" were from Harvard, too. Didn't make them correct. Going back to Galileo, conservative science is never proven correct by history. Discoveries of fact are made by people who think outside of the (conservative) box.

Posted by Fish Pimp on April 25, 2015 at 1:57 PM

Re: “Historic Nat Fuller Dinner menu released

is there another city in the USA that congratulates itself for allowing black and whites to eat together one night every 100 years?

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Posted by Mario Delgado on April 25, 2015 at 1:43 PM
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