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Re: “Late Night law would force bar owners to create powerless police force, endanger lives”

"It shall be the responsibility of Late Night Entertainment Establishment personel (sic) to clear..."

That last word is very problematic. Are these bouncers going to be able to use batons and truncheonst? CS gas? Tasers? How about leashed snarling dogs?

Police are a legitimate use of tax funds. And these businesses definitely pay taxes.

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Posted by Cid95 on May 17, 2013 at 2:42 AM

Re: “Live Music: Elim Bolt, Modern Man, Charles Walker & The Dynamites, Swank Sinatra”

green day? really? The Whitney Houston of punk? Who cares, Haire? You wouldn't know punk if it hit you in the head with a dead fish

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Posted by Zoe St Piesse on May 17, 2013 at 1:34 AM

Re: “Folly Beach County Park could reopen this summer”

idiots and hypocrites... CCL lied and said they would take this to court repeatedly if the county & state ever came up with the $$$ for the project. Why waste taxpayer $$$ for Mom Nature to wipe their a$$ again as before?

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Posted by Zoe St Piesse on May 17, 2013 at 1:29 AM

Re: “The problem with for-profit hospitals”

M Catastrophe should just change the title of his column to "Trolling the Libertarians"

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Posted by UnkleSteve on May 16, 2013 at 11:54 PM

Re: “Late Night law would force bar owners to create powerless police force, endanger lives”

IDK, all for increased safety here.

But this ordinance stinks of the City Powers That Be tendency to sterilize King of any flavor or character.

Much of Lower King could be a minimall anywhere.

Upper King has a vibrant and diverse mix that attracts crowds. Silly me,I always thought sidewalks were for hanging out. And what about the buskers and street musicians? There were some on Upper King tonight. They add great vibes to the street scene. Will that be illegal too?

FWIW, Savannah and Asheville have great and much more street music and atmosphere in and around bars.

Charleston finally starts loosening up but noooo have to put the Smackdown on that!

The City won't be happy until all of King is the soulless wasteland that much of South of Calhoun is. All so Edna and Al Fannypack of Ohio can feel "safe" waddling up King.

I guess the City will just ban bars next and install a KOA campground instead.

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Posted by Driftaway on May 16, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Re: “Is Anne Frank's Diary pornography?”

HUH?

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Posted by And if elected... on May 16, 2013 at 9:27 PM

Re: “Columnist Erin Perkins goes to boogie at Republic Reign”

This place would be Club 54 in Toledo. At this pace, with the Matrix style clubs going up, upper K will soon look like Market street. Then we'll be forced to follow the kids to Hipsterborough and live by the "be rich, dress poor" code of coolness. Never really understood why Chais never made it. I liked that place.

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Posted by lamaquina on May 16, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Re: “Late Night law would force bar owners to create powerless police force, endanger lives”

Travis have u been to upper King, at 1:30 on a Saturday night lately? Not trying to pick an argument, but I would like to know.

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Posted by gnu name on May 16, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Re: “The problem with for-profit hospitals”

These companies you see advertising all sorts of medical products (catheters, diabetic supplies, ED products, scooters, etc.) on TV are making money hand over fist and every penny is coming from the 50% paying taxes!

Here's how it works ... They charge Medicare patients the $100 annual deductible, I think $0 for Medicaid, and say they require the client 20% co-pay, but most waive that under the guise of a "hardship" waiver. They then pocket the Medicare allowable. People paying the extra 20% are suckers and that's more profit to the supply company. If you call them and say you want to pay cash they refer you to another company. You call that company and get quoted a significantly lower cash price. This other company is owned by the same people, but they keep cash transactions separate from insurance so they don't get caught charging far less to the cash customers. The Medicare allowable is much more than the cash price, which also has a huge profit margin. There is no telling how much profit they are making on insurance based transactions. It's absolutely obscene I'm sure!!

The scooters you see on TV cost $40 to $60k each. A basic wheelchair can easily cost $2 to $5k. Yet you can but a luxury car for under $40k and a bicycle for $100.

Why are scooters & wheelchairs so expensive? Medicare, Medcaid, & other forms of insurance. Get the gubment out of medical & insurance transactions and the cost of these items would be pennies on the dollar compared to current costs.

Wanna know why the SEC never catches big Wall Street banks breaking the law? They don't want to. Go work for the SEC for 5 years then parlay that into a cushy high 6 figure salary at Goldman Sachs.

The bigger, more far reaching, and intrusive gubment is, the more opportunity there is for corruption and easier it is to get away with it.

When the banking crisis happened guess who was a high ranking executive at FannieMae? Barney Franks boyfriend!! And Frank was chairman of the powerful Banking Committee, which has oversight of the GSE's like Fannie & Freddie. And Frank constantly cried foul for years as the Bush administration warned of a coming banking & housing collapse. Then the Dems blamed Bush!!

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Posted by Ned Hill on May 16, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Re: “Late Night law would force bar owners to create powerless police force, endanger lives”

Statism? It's the opposite of "statism." This is the privatization of a basic government function. Isn't this the stuff your libertarian wet dreams are made of?

Also, the ordinance gives the responsibility to the establishment to police the sidewalks and parking lots, but it doesn't require that that function be performed by an employee. I'm sure the responsibility (and probably any associated liabilities) can be contracted out. This ordinance looks like a great opportunity for someone looking to start a security firm.

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Posted by Travis Austin on May 16, 2013 at 7:05 PM

Re: “Late Night law would force bar owners to create powerless police force, endanger lives”

It is interesting to note that, it is the city's smoking ban which is putting so many people on a narrow stretch of concrete in front of AC's, which was a popular smoking bar long before upper King became so wildly popular.

But there is a problem, please anyone take a stroll up King St at 1:30am on any Saturday before you disagree. In the long run closing King to traffic on certain nights from Cannon to Radcliffe may be the only solution.

I do have to agree with Haire on the gist of his article; if the police can barely contain the drunken masses (which is true, I've seen it), how can private enforcement hope to cope short of cracking skulls like security at a Stones concert?

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Posted by gnu name on May 16, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Re: “The problem with for-profit hospitals”

Good points Ned. I think it is important to point out that the P&C article was specifically referencing what hospitals bill Medicare. No mention of it, but I assume it is the same for Medicaid, which is free medical care for the professional poor.

For reference regarding Trident Medical being crooks, let me share my experience. Last summer my collar bone was broken in an accident in Mt Pleasant. The emergency room visit ending up costing me $2,300, and here's the rub. It was a bad break which required surgery, so they did nothing. Understandable, but that kind of money seems like a lot for a doctor spending less than 10 minutes on me and providing a recommendation.
So my private practice ortho specialist normally preforms surgeries at the Trident East Cooper facility. His bill for the surgery was slightly under 2k, the anesthesiologist charged $750. Both reasonable prices.
The price Trident wished to charge me for JUST the room for a 2 hour outpatient surgery?...15,300$ !!! Is it just me or does that seem a bit extreme?
If I were on medicare or medicaid that ridiculous bill would have gone directly to the taxpayers.

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Posted by gnu name on May 16, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Re: “Late Night law would force bar owners to create powerless police force, endanger lives”

In this morning's P&C, big article about the how closing the sidewalks around hospitals has forced smokers into parks and neighborhoods to smoke.
Huh.
Who could have seen that coming?
Here's my question: If the city has such power over the sidewalks, why is it abdicating that same responsibility when it comes to bars? Will Hanks have to have same requirements as AC's.
Statism's really cool until it affects you, eh?

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Posted by David Farrow on May 16, 2013 at 6:06 PM

Re: “Late Night law would force bar owners to create powerless police force, endanger lives”

IF the bars have to provide that service in conjunction with the officers, then I'm all for it. A bit of shared responsibility between the city and the "Late Night Entertainment Establishment" would be a good thing.

I hope the same rules apply for the Spoleto events too?

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Posted by goodkarmasc on May 16, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Re: “Late Night law would force bar owners to create powerless police force, endanger lives”

Did city council not just vote against providing the "entertainment" areas with extra police? I believe they did......

If we can enforce the drinking age we would be A-Ok. Bars that do it, do not have issues nearly as much as the bars that do not.

And as far as the line about lawsuits, and frantic 911 calls "THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING"

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Posted by Jack Handegan III on May 16, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Re: “Chopsticks House”

This is truly the tastiest Chinese food in recent memory. After 10 years living near NYC's China Town, that's gotta tell you something. I've had take out from Chopsticks House at least 5 times already, and it has never disappointed. Very rich, heavy on the sweet sauces, but worth the calories. BBQ spare ribs appetizer better than any local rib place. Don't let the horrific ambiance fool you - the food is meant for take out and the generous portions insure plenty of leftovers.

Posted by drval on May 16, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Re: “Late Night law would force bar owners to create powerless police force, endanger lives”

You are correct. Drunks are not the most reasonable people to speak with. You will either have bar security getting hurt or stepping over the line and hurting a drunk. Either way the Police will need to come anyway.

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Posted by markfullercot on May 16, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Re: “Gearing up for a sober summer on Folly Beach”

1) 357 citizens was the number of signatures that had been validated by the Elections Board when they called it quits; there were many more pages of signatures had they wanted to continue, but there was no point. I think it took a grand total of two weeks to gather all these signatures.

2) The Council had no legal right to "[consider] a partial ban or another compromise". By law they had to consider the proposal "substantially as written" on the petition. If it passed (as it did), the petition language was enacted as an ordinance. Please note that any CHANGES in this ordinance are MUCH EASIER given that it's a Council-passed ordinance rather than as a plebiscite-enacted one. It it had failed before Council, the proposal would have gone to plebiscite (vote of the residents). Quite a risk, given the stirred-up nature of the electorate following the fracas regularly termed a "riot" by papers, TV, and radio. ONLY if the proposal had FAILED both in Council and in a popular vote could any "compromise" proposal be made... but what would be the point if those were the facts?

3) Astoundingly, tax receipts from businesses ROSE over the previous year for the months following the widely-reported "riot". I would think most people who'd heard of a "riot" occurring somewhere would avoid that place until they heard more reassuring news. It's hardly significant to highlight year-over-year comparisons until some kind of stasis has been established.

Posted by Jim W on May 16, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Re: “Bourbon be damned, it's time to return to rum”

This Pronghorn is sticking to his Islays.

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Posted by Pronghorn on May 16, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Re: “Bourbon be damned, it's time to return to rum”

I'd love it if rum became the "it" spirit and bourbon was shunned as a hillbilly drink. That would make all those single-barrel varieties way cheaper!

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Posted by factoryconnection on May 16, 2013 at 2:19 PM
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