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Re: “A chat with "Drunk History" creator Derek Waters inside a van outside The Royal American

"It's just as terrible an idea as clinging to your "nationality" or your "heritage" or any number of other things"

Would you say the same thing to Native Americans or members of the Gullah/Geechie corridor on the sea islands?

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Posted by Jaxx on July 21, 2014 at 7:53 PM

Re: “Denzel Curnell case: Read the full SLED report

Thanks, Paul.

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Posted by mat catastrophe on July 21, 2014 at 7:39 PM

Re: “A chat with "Drunk History" creator Derek Waters inside a van outside The Royal American

"a few of us transplants know more about Charleston history than most of the natives"

And you wonder why there's animosity.

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Posted by Jaxx on July 21, 2014 at 7:33 PM

Re: “Midnight bar ordinance goes back to the drawing board

If you want to lessen the concentration of people leaving bars at a certain time, rescind the law requiring bars to close at 2AM. Let the bars decide for themselves when they want to close.

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Posted by Scott Montgomery on July 21, 2014 at 7:12 PM

Re: “Gaps remain in the Denzel Curnell suicide narrative

"This cop was off-duty on security detail for PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER; a private property owner has every right to have an off-duty cop ask whomever the He** he wants what they are doing in the common areas. This whole thing is nothing more than a fundraiser for the NAACP: http://www.thebryancrabtreeshow.com/racial… "

Remember kids, the "libertarians" of America are *MORE* than happy to make all the police in this nation private, and eliminating even the false veneer of public accountability they currently have.

There's not even a small part of Mr. Crabtree's small brain that wants to question why a *privately* hired off-duty cop was in his *public* patrol car and (possibly) in his *public* uniform when this occurred.

Because "libertarians" are not about "liberty", they are about the concentration of power in private hands. They are not anti-power. They are not anti-authoritarian. In fact, they are the exact opposite of those two concepts.

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Posted by mat catastrophe on July 21, 2014 at 6:18 PM

Re: “Gaps remain in the Denzel Curnell suicide narrative

He's more than welcome to ask, I agree, and have never said otherwise.

My concern comes into play once he pulls a gun on the kid, grabs him and tackles him as he is trying to walk away, without any investigative imperative and shaky legal ground to do so.

Common areas in apartment buildings, legally speaking, are generally open to the public unless stated otherwise. Unless Curnell had received some official (almost always written) notice from the owner of the property or an agent and was returning against explicit lawful order, he wasn't guilty of trespassing. Nothing in any report or witness statement suggests that Medlin warned him off the property before or during the confrontation. He was not even guilty of loitering; Medlin's report indicates that he was walking briskly.

Checked out your website. Not very helpful to the discussion. May have stopped a mass shooting, indeed - why don't we just stop and search everyone who looks "suspicious" just in case we can also stop someone who might have maybe gone on to shoot a person or maybe more than one? Who gets to define "suspicious?"

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 21, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Re: “Gaps remain in the Denzel Curnell suicide narrative

This cop was off-duty on security detail for PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER; a private property owner has every right to have an off-duty cop ask whomever the He** he wants what they are doing in the common areas. This whole thing is nothing more than a fundraiser for the NAACP: http://www.thebryancrabtreeshow.com/racial…

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Posted by Bryan Crabtree on July 21, 2014 at 2:25 PM

Re: “Gaps remain in the Denzel Curnell suicide narrative

The point is that we're not jacking up white kids on the street trying to find something to lock them up for.

Illegal behavior is relatively consistent over racial lines, controlling for similar socio-economics, but arrests and convictions are not.

Your false dichotomy misses the institutionalized racism that our country has been struggling to come to terms with since its inception. It's not a conspiracy, it's just an uncomfortable truth.

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 21, 2014 at 1:50 PM

Re: “The more mags that proclaim Charleston is the best, the more tourists that flock to our streets

We do have a serious problem at the Airport. Visitors could be taking CARTA Transit to the city, but it's nearly impossible to locate the bus stop, which has a sign on a 3 foot tall pole (the shortest bus stop sign that I've ever seen) and no bench or shelter. The stop is out in the sun and wind, about 100 feet outside the covered area in front of the terminal off to the right after you exit baggage claim. If you ask for directions, most people around the airport won't admit to knowing where the stop is. They'll be happy to shove you in a van and take $40 from you for a trip to Mount Pleasant. With a new Express Bus line running directly to the Visitor's Center downtown for $3 and the old #11 Dorchester Airport offering a longer trip with local stops for a mere $1.75 many younnger visitors want to use this option. We're asking the Airport Authority to improve this situation and to be sure when the current renovation is complete that a safe, sheltered bus stop is provided, supported by adequate public information and signage. www.busec.org

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Posted by wjhamilton29464 on July 21, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Re: “Gaps remain in the Denzel Curnell suicide narrative

“If anyone, at this point, is wondering why 10% of our general population makes up 40% of our incarcerated population....”

There would appear to be two possibilities: either there is a vast, nationwide conspiracy to profile, falsely accuse, frame, and lock up this said 10% of the population, or these individuals are actually committing the crimes for which they have been arrested, tried, and convicted by a jury.

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Posted by John Paul Jah on July 21, 2014 at 1:27 PM

Re: “Denzel Curnell case: Read the full SLED report

Mat, I've walked around and seen the five surveillance cameras at Bridgeview. There's one other one that might have caught something had it been pointed in the right direction, but its view of the incident likely would have been blocked by trees.

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Posted by Paul Bowers on July 21, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Re: “Gaps remain in the Denzel Curnell suicide narrative

I'm not concerned about the gap in time on the camera. Poor motion sensing tech is what it is. It's unfortunate but irrelevant to the issues raised. The concern comes from the witness accounts and most importantly - Medlin's own.

None of them suggest that he ever had probable cause to instigate a violent conflict with Curnell. He should have been free to refuse a search, having committed no crime and displaying no intent to, and was under no obligation to incriminate himself. For simply asserting his constitutional rights (along with a ridiculously subjective evaluation of a "look" in Curnell's eyes), the officer pulled a gun on him. At that point, Curnell de-escalates by turning his back and attempting to walk away - again, his constitutional right. Then Medlin takes the initiative AGAIN and starts a physical confrontation. Virtually all of the witness accounts are consistent in reporting that Curnell protested his detainment and search, as ought to have been his right.

It does not matter why he had the gun or why he had the bullets, because there was no way for Medlin to have known he had either. The point is that finding something in one apparently illegal search does not mean that the illegal search was okay. This is not the country we are supposed to be. Yes, he may have gone on to do something terrible with it. This is an argument for gun control, not a police state.

Not every kid is going to be a Curnell - we'll never hear about the kids who submit to unconstitutional searches or get otherwise unnecessarily hassled. We'll never hear about the kids who get searched for "wearing a hoodie" and happen to be holding some other kind of contraband.

If anyone, at this point, is wondering why 10% of our general population makes up 40% of our incarcerated population, the kind of attitude displayed by Medlin and the fact that he wasn't operating very far outside standard procedure for police these days is a step towards that answer. The implicit permission granted them to behave that way that we're seeing in these threads is another.

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 21, 2014 at 11:36 AM

Re: “167 Raw serves up plenty of seafood, but more importantly hearty lobstah rolls

Also try the lobster roll at persimmon cafe- I lived in Boston, this was better than anything in Maine...not bad for a laundromat!

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Posted by Ted Fienning on July 21, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Re: “Gaps remain in the Denzel Curnell suicide narrative

9/11 Truthers, Birthers and now Camera Gappers. Isn't this better suited for World Net Daily?

I've read the report start to finish, and here are some questions I take from it. Not only was Curnell carrying a concealed pistol (which his hand would've been in a pocket with and likely on as Medlin approached him), but he was also carrying extra ammo for it (live rounds were found in his pocket). Why was he carrying a gun that night and why did he anticipate possibly needing to reload it? Also, what was the black nylon fabric he was found to be wearing under his chin?

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Posted by Paulius on July 21, 2014 at 10:56 AM

Re: “Gaps remain in the Denzel Curnell suicide narrative

It seems pretty clear that there's at the very least a reasonable argument that Curnell's fourth and fifth amendments were abridged when Medlin confronted and assaulted him, so I don't think that grandstanding O.J. Simpson trial quotes are really warranted.

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 21, 2014 at 10:36 AM

Re: “Denzel Curnell case: Read the full SLED report

I don't see how the fact that an illegal firearm was used is significant in the least. It means half of the officer's suspicions turned out to be correct, but it makes literally no difference to the story.

Everything else being equal, what difference would it have made to the officer's tactics if it was a legally concealed firearm? What difference would it have made to the officer's tactics had there been no weapon at all? None. If either of those things were true instead, then would we all think the officer was out of line? It's never been a question of what he found, but how he found it.

Reading through that report it seems clear that the officer was significantly over-aggressive during the confrontation. There is not a single thing from a witness, including Medlin himself ("he looked at me funny" is not something I want to hear from police as justification for drawing weapons or tackling people) that would seem to come close to warranting probable cause for a search. Baggy clothes and a "distant" look in the eyes? That describes a huge number of the general population under a certain age (and yes, people, of a certain race).

Remember that the simple assertion of your constitutional right to refuse a voluntary search as well as the right not to incriminate oneself cannot then be used as incriminating evidence to support an involuntary one.

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 21, 2014 at 10:33 AM

Re: “Gaps remain in the Denzel Curnell suicide narrative

Yeah, "If the glove doesn't fit you must acquit"

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Posted by Ima Oldman on July 21, 2014 at 7:48 AM

Re: “A chat with "Drunk History" creator Derek Waters inside a van outside The Royal American

"another thought: what percentage of the twenty-somethings at the bar on any given night are actually from Charleston?"

Depends on the bar. Here is a thought: a few of us transplants know more about Charleston history than most of the natives. The history was part of what made me want to live here.

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Posted by brewengineer on July 21, 2014 at 6:57 AM

Re: “A chat with "Drunk History" creator Derek Waters inside a van outside The Royal American

I've lived in other places (including outside the US in Asia and Europe). I've been the transplant, the outsider, the foreigner and the cultural/ethnic minority.

No problem, I enjoyed and embraced it all, and always in a polite and respectful way. I'm glad my home is so popular and loved, and welcome new residents. Just be polite and respectful. It's not too much to ask, I think?

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Posted by Cid95 on July 21, 2014 at 5:05 AM

Re: “A chat with "Drunk History" creator Derek Waters inside a van outside The Royal American

uhh yeah cid...Progress demands that things move and change and stay fluid..
.. you know ...fluid...

... like a southern border.

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Posted by artrogue on July 20, 2014 at 5:35 PM
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