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Re: “Once again, a case of racial profiling leads to tragedy

Dot, here is a simple solution. Just have the cops stop dealing with black people.

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Posted by jadenova on July 23, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Re: “Bambu

Most locals vowed never to return to "Bambuzeled" the day of their grand opening...others must be masochist who enjoy the pain and suffering because somehow the place is still open for business.

Posted by Los Super Saturn on July 23, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Re: “We should all be disturbed by the death of Denzel Curnell

I'm good. I don't walk around w illegal handguns on me. I don't fear the police. Criminals fear the police, much like normal tax paying citizens don't fear the IRS. But tax cheats do.

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Posted by Robot Scott on July 23, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Re: “Why did Denzel Curnell have four extra rounds?

@Happy P--what department do you work for at the City Paper?

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Posted by Robot Scott on July 23, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Re: “Once again, a case of racial profiling leads to tragedy

Wow. Just wow. Another platform for the NAACP to spread its poor pitiful me message. Haire and Scott are peas In a pod

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Posted by Robot Scott on July 23, 2014 at 11:55 AM

Re: “Why did Denzel Curnell have four extra rounds?

Michael Tew: Eyewitness accounts of dramatic events can be notoriously inaccurate and conflicted. That being said, the official reports that I've read over the past two days suggest that the neighborhood witnesses provided accurate accounts of what they saw. I'm not sure I've seen where they "lied." Can you provide evidence to support the assertion that any resident "lied"? I was actually struck by the accuracy and the restraint of their reports. They reported, for instance, of witnessing a struggle take place between the victim and the officer. They reported hearing shots and seeing the officer standing over Denzel with his gun drawn. Those reports were only confirmed by the officer's own account of the shooting. At this point, I'm far more suspicious of the official accounts of the shooting and the security DVD that includes about five minutes of missing footage than I am about the veracity of the local eyewitnesses.

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Posted by Mario Delgado on July 23, 2014 at 11:01 AM

Re: “Once again, a case of racial profiling leads to tragedy

Well, there are significant differences between Martin and Curnell. One major one being that Medlin didn't shoot Curnell.

Correlation does not equal causation, Ms. Scott - while Curnell did shoot himself with the gun he was in criminal possession of immediately following Medlin's should-be-illegal detainment, Curnell has to bear the responsibility for the trigger he pulled, not Medlin.

The racial profiling that both Curnell and Trayvon Martin suffered is deplorable, shameful, and ought to carry consequences. Curnell's constitutional protection against search and seizure was pretty clearly infringed upon by an agent of the government and it's sad for the state of our country that this does not provoke universal outrage.

But racial profiling didn't kill these two, guns did.

Martin died because Zimmerman, who shouldn't have had a gun, had one and shot him. Curnell died because he had a gun when he shouldn't have and shot himself.

Both of these fights need fighting, but if you try to combine them you're doing more harm than good.

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 23, 2014 at 10:55 AM

Re: “Cowspiracy Screening: Pre-Register

I went to the East Coast premier a couple weeks ago, and I'm thrilled this is coming to Charleston! I can't wait to see it again. I just pre-registered.

Posted by Stacy Shepanek on July 23, 2014 at 10:37 AM

Re: “Why did Denzel Curnell have four extra rounds?


Yes, he shouldn't have had the gun. Yes, it's his fault that he shot himself.

There are two separate issues at play here, somewhat mixed together. The fact that he had a gun makes no difference to the complaint people have been raising here in regards to the behavior of police. This is not a liberal or a conservative issue, this is a very simple constitutional rights issue.

Police are not supposed to be able to detain and search people based solely on the kind of vague suspicion that Medlin stated that he used. The police are not supposed to instigate violent conflicts with observably law-abiding citizens. The police are supposed to respect the rule of law, not be above it. None of that is politics.

The problem that Curnell turned out in the end to have a gun is a separate issue, and a legitimate problem. But nobody wants to talk about how to keep guns out of kids hands because of an ahistorical interpretation of the second amendment. That problem has, unfortunately, become a liberal v conservative issue.

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 23, 2014 at 10:36 AM

Re: “McConnell must do a lot to earn the respect of CofC students

I chuckle as I read posts that compare the president of the U.S. with the president of a regional college as if there was any meaningful points of comparison. Comments kinda wandered away from the original article, I think.

Posted by rbirds on July 23, 2014 at 10:34 AM

Re: “Once again, a case of racial profiling leads to tragedy

How long before these comments erupt into DDS? (Dot Derangement Syndrome)--defined as the propensity of some white Charlestonians to use virtually any mention of the local NAACP president's name to express their deep misgivings with all modernity, especially those aspects of modernity dealing with race and race relations.

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Posted by Mario Delgado on July 23, 2014 at 10:21 AM

Re: “Lobster Roll Call: The best decapod deals in town

I am in Rhode Island right now and have not seen a lobster roll for less than 22 dollars anywhere. The prices being offered at Persimmon, 167 Raw, Pearlz, etc are more than reasonable for an authentic New England lobster roll. A great lobster roll should not be cheap

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Posted by Kristen Ezovski Cassi on July 23, 2014 at 10:13 AM

Re: “The Agenda: Graham "not auditioning for a reality show"; Big price, little tax bill; Pedestrians in danger

Congress has resembled a bad reality show more than honest government for a number of years now, so I'm not so sure that I agree with Graham.

With that in mind, we already have enough "I'm surprised you're allowed to leave the house without supervision, much less run the government of the United States" lunatic cast members so until some of them get voted off T-Rav doesn't make a lot of sense from a ratings standpoint. "Creepily Over-Romantic Guy" is locked up with Sanford for now, too, which is T-Rav's other strong suit. I just don't see where T-Rav's niche is as a cast member.

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 23, 2014 at 10:11 AM

Re: “Why did Denzel Curnell have four extra rounds?

The kid had a gun. The residents lied about what they saw. The cop was African-American. I consider myself very liberal and fully admit the police all over the country overstep their bounds for various reasons. That being said, the NAACP and victims rights groups would be better served to focus on cases that deserve it. This was a tragic outcome but the fault on this occasion lies with the deceased it appears.

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Posted by Michael Tew on July 23, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Re: “Why did Denzel Curnell have four extra rounds?


We never said that the missing footage was proof that Medlin shot Curnell or that the CPD covered it up. It's curious, yes, and it's something that SLED should have looked into further (in fact, they should have questioned the officers that were with Bridgeview's Hiawatha Addison just to make sure they had all their bases covered), but it is not proof. Personally, I think there's a good chance that the camera was not properly calibrated or, at worse, just plain shitty.

I've always maintained that problem here is that the officer never had probable cause to , um, physical confront Curnell. I'm a Bill of Rights guy first and foremost. (Feel free to read my articles on the First and Second Amendments.)

Also, I believe I was the first journalist to note that Curnell seemingly found with four extra rounds in his possession, in addition to the six in the chamber.

Posted by chrishaire on July 23, 2014 at 10:03 AM

Re: “Once again, a case of racial profiling leads to tragedy

All well stated. The NAACP, City Paper, and other area journalists and activists have done all of us a great service by holding our public officials accountable. Beyond the events surrounding Denzel's death, the police department's handling of the investigation has been pitiful. Big questions remain to be sure and the pressure will continue.

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Posted by Mario Delgado on July 23, 2014 at 9:52 AM

Re: “Why did Denzel Curnell have four extra rounds?

The argument from this side is that the end does not justify the means when we are talking about basic constitutional rights. I understand that he ended up in possession of contraband, but that end result is completely irrelevant (and very easily could have been ruled inadmissible in court, had he survived) with the means in which that information was gained.

Keep in mind that with the facts we have it is also equally clear that the officer was never in any danger, despite Curnell's possession of the weapon, since Curnell only fired one shot - at himself. So as much as the officer's hunch that he had a weapon was correct, he was also very wrong in terms of Curnell's intent insofar as the danger he was in. Both of those assumptions factored into his procedural decision-making. One right, one wrong. Neither of them justified by anything other than a hunch based on stereotype.

As far as the media coverage of the thing - this thing smelled fishy from the start, and even though it looks now to be more of a tragic intersection of a lot of poor decision-making (from all parties involved) it only takes a half step in one direction or the other to sensationalism. It's a touchy situation and with the history this country has between young black males and the police it doesn't surprise me that we've got assumptions bleeding through all over the place, from Medlin and Riley to the P&C and the CP. It's hard to have an honest conversation as a society about this kind of stuff when there's so much nastiness just underneath the surface. This country's in a bad marriage when it comes to race - there's a big exposed nerve running across the backbone of that relationship and every time any issue brushes up against it it causes an outsized amount of unresolved pain, in a social and cultural sense.

So since it looks like it wasn't intentional foul play after all, it's probably a better idea to focus on the easier stuff to talk about - constitutional guarantees against search and seizure, for example. We can talk about the second amendment as it pertains to gun regulation and gun culture too, if you want, but that is about as much a non-starter as the relationship between poor minorities and the police, haha. It's a sad world sometimes.

Posted by HappyPessimist on July 23, 2014 at 9:47 AM

Re: “Georgean's Caribbean Soul is a marriage of island and Southern flavors

Wow, this place looks delicious! Can't wait to try it out!

Posted by BruDu on July 23, 2014 at 9:25 AM

Re: “Why did Denzel Curnell have four extra rounds?

One of my concerns has been the media and other activist sensationalizing a tragic suicide to sell more papers or gain more attention for their own agenda. I don't have an issue with the NAACP, but they actually accused the officer of having shot him, before the report was released. The P of C didn't bother to mention the possession of an illegal gun, and the CP insisted that the so called "gaps" in the video was further evidence that the police not only killed him but also covered it up. Of course anyone who attempted to take part in the conversation and point out that other social and personal factors played a larger roll, such as access to health care, opportunity, and education, were labeled as racist, simply because that fit a certain stereo type of a very insular and misinformed portion of the population. My suggestion would be to get to know the community better. A lot of places and housing complexes are inundated with crime, every day, and every night. The P of C reported that the city policy stated that looking suspicious or nervous didn't warrant a pat down for weapons, so the policy only states that officers can ask to talk to someone. The individual had an illegal gun with extra ammo so its hard to argue that the officers judgement wasn't justified. But that's just my humble opinion. You shouldn't depict everyone as an extremist who expresses legitimate concerns that doesn't fit your agenda.

Posted by John Cecil on July 23, 2014 at 8:18 AM

Re: “Lobster Roll Call: The best decapod deals in town

Are there any non-mayo lobster rolls available around town? I am not too worried about price. I just made my own recently, and it was pretty damn expensive even at home. I question how the Red's roll can only be $10. Either they are barely breaking even, or that contains some cheap non-fresh lobster.

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Posted by brewengineer on July 23, 2014 at 7:31 AM
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