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Re: “Late Night law would force bar owners to create powerless police force, endanger lives

Statism? It's the opposite of "statism." This is the privatization of a basic government function. Isn't this the stuff your libertarian wet dreams are made of?

Also, the ordinance gives the responsibility to the establishment to police the sidewalks and parking lots, but it doesn't require that that function be performed by an employee. I'm sure the responsibility (and probably any associated liabilities) can be contracted out. This ordinance looks like a great opportunity for someone looking to start a security firm.

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Posted by Travis Austin on May 16, 2013 at 7:05 PM

Re: “Late Night law would force bar owners to create powerless police force, endanger lives

It is interesting to note that, it is the city's smoking ban which is putting so many people on a narrow stretch of concrete in front of AC's, which was a popular smoking bar long before upper King became so wildly popular.

But there is a problem, please anyone take a stroll up King St at 1:30am on any Saturday before you disagree. In the long run closing King to traffic on certain nights from Cannon to Radcliffe may be the only solution.

I do have to agree with Haire on the gist of his article; if the police can barely contain the drunken masses (which is true, I've seen it), how can private enforcement hope to cope short of cracking skulls like security at a Stones concert?

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Posted by gnu name on May 16, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Re: “The problem with for-profit hospitals

Good points Ned. I think it is important to point out that the P&C article was specifically referencing what hospitals bill Medicare. No mention of it, but I assume it is the same for Medicaid, which is free medical care for the professional poor.

For reference regarding Trident Medical being crooks, let me share my experience. Last summer my collar bone was broken in an accident in Mt Pleasant. The emergency room visit ending up costing me $2,300, and here's the rub. It was a bad break which required surgery, so they did nothing. Understandable, but that kind of money seems like a lot for a doctor spending less than 10 minutes on me and providing a recommendation.
So my private practice ortho specialist normally preforms surgeries at the Trident East Cooper facility. His bill for the surgery was slightly under 2k, the anesthesiologist charged $750. Both reasonable prices.
The price Trident wished to charge me for JUST the room for a 2 hour outpatient surgery?...15,300$ !!! Is it just me or does that seem a bit extreme?
If I were on medicare or medicaid that ridiculous bill would have gone directly to the taxpayers.

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Posted by gnu name on May 16, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Re: “Late Night law would force bar owners to create powerless police force, endanger lives

In this morning's P&C, big article about the how closing the sidewalks around hospitals has forced smokers into parks and neighborhoods to smoke.
Huh.
Who could have seen that coming?
Here's my question: If the city has such power over the sidewalks, why is it abdicating that same responsibility when it comes to bars? Will Hanks have to have same requirements as AC's.
Statism's really cool until it affects you, eh?

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Posted by David Farrow on May 16, 2013 at 6:06 PM

Re: “Late Night law would force bar owners to create powerless police force, endanger lives

IF the bars have to provide that service in conjunction with the officers, then I'm all for it. A bit of shared responsibility between the city and the "Late Night Entertainment Establishment" would be a good thing.

I hope the same rules apply for the Spoleto events too?

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Posted by goodkarmasc on May 16, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Re: “Late Night law would force bar owners to create powerless police force, endanger lives

Did city council not just vote against providing the "entertainment" areas with extra police? I believe they did......

If we can enforce the drinking age we would be A-Ok. Bars that do it, do not have issues nearly as much as the bars that do not.

And as far as the line about lawsuits, and frantic 911 calls "THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING"

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Posted by Jack Handegan III on May 16, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Re: “Chopsticks House

This is truly the tastiest Chinese food in recent memory. After 10 years living near NYC's China Town, that's gotta tell you something. I've had take out from Chopsticks House at least 5 times already, and it has never disappointed. Very rich, heavy on the sweet sauces, but worth the calories. BBQ spare ribs appetizer better than any local rib place. Don't let the horrific ambiance fool you - the food is meant for take out and the generous portions insure plenty of leftovers.

Posted by drval on May 16, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Re: “Late Night law would force bar owners to create powerless police force, endanger lives

You are correct. Drunks are not the most reasonable people to speak with. You will either have bar security getting hurt or stepping over the line and hurting a drunk. Either way the Police will need to come anyway.

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Posted by markfullercot on May 16, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Re: “Gearing up for a sober summer on Folly Beach

1) 357 citizens was the number of signatures that had been validated by the Elections Board when they called it quits; there were many more pages of signatures had they wanted to continue, but there was no point. I think it took a grand total of two weeks to gather all these signatures.

2) The Council had no legal right to "[consider] a partial ban or another compromise". By law they had to consider the proposal "substantially as written" on the petition. If it passed (as it did), the petition language was enacted as an ordinance. Please note that any CHANGES in this ordinance are MUCH EASIER given that it's a Council-passed ordinance rather than as a plebiscite-enacted one. It it had failed before Council, the proposal would have gone to plebiscite (vote of the residents). Quite a risk, given the stirred-up nature of the electorate following the fracas regularly termed a "riot" by papers, TV, and radio. ONLY if the proposal had FAILED both in Council and in a popular vote could any "compromise" proposal be made... but what would be the point if those were the facts?

3) Astoundingly, tax receipts from businesses ROSE over the previous year for the months following the widely-reported "riot". I would think most people who'd heard of a "riot" occurring somewhere would avoid that place until they heard more reassuring news. It's hardly significant to highlight year-over-year comparisons until some kind of stasis has been established.

Posted by Jim W on May 16, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Re: “Bourbon be damned, it's time to return to rum

This Pronghorn is sticking to his Islays.

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Posted by Pronghorn on May 16, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Re: “Bourbon be damned, it's time to return to rum

I'd love it if rum became the "it" spirit and bourbon was shunned as a hillbilly drink. That would make all those single-barrel varieties way cheaper!

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Posted by factoryconnection on May 16, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Re: “Bourbon be damned, it's time to return to rum

If you think Gosling's gets its color from Bourbon barrels, then I'd like to discuss a certain real estate opportunity with you involving the Cooper River Bridge.

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Posted by Josh Miller on May 16, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Re: “School of the Arts tweet exposes Charleston County Schools' hypocrisy

Are we now clear on "White Flight"?

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Posted by VaSteve on May 16, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Re: “Gearing up for a sober summer on Folly Beach

Fuck the Ban; drink covertly.

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Posted by Pronghorn on May 16, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Re: “Columnist Erin Perkins goes to boogie at Republic Reign

I think I've asked you before: may I please join you and your friends for a fun night on the town? I'm innocent, and I like to have a good time. I would look good in all of your pictures.

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Posted by Pronghorn on May 16, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Re: “Republic Reign touches down like a fabulously stylish mothership on King Street

Looks like the CP has another "restaurant" in their back pocket. Congrats rep reign, enjoy ur three months of staying in business......until tourist season is over. Then we will welcome a new craft beer bar into ur spot in the fall. And bid u a farewell

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Posted by nuthnBUTtheTRUTH on May 16, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Re: “Columnist Erin Perkins goes to boogie at Republic Reign

Erin Perkins articles are all pathetic. Another "big city feel" club....really?! bottle service, come on!! U love the big city, please go back to Ohio missy and spend ur nites behind a velvet rope In Toledo please!

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Posted by nuthnBUTtheTRUTH on May 16, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Re: “If you need a beer run

I endorse covert, discreet, illegal drinking.

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Posted by Pronghorn on May 16, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Re: “School of the Arts tweet exposes Charleston County Schools' hypocrisy

Let us not also forget about the hoplophobic, neo-segregationist bigotry in government schools. Zero tolerance/intelligence teachers and administrators punishing children, and sometimes calling the police, for children who are drawing a picture of a firearm, or having paper folded like a firearm, or chewing a poptart into the shape of a firearm. That's like punishing a child for violating racial segregation laws for bringing a black crayon to school. The teachers and administrators who punished kids for the "offenses" above, are, literally, mentally infirm, and need to have their mental capacity tested by a licensed psychologist, before they are allowed to be near children again. Any children the offending teachers or administrators may have should be kept safe by the state until such tests can be performed. This is what Neale Bortz means when he says that government schooling is child abuse.

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Posted by trustmajor on May 16, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Re: “Phuong Restaurant

Yes!

Posted by Paul Cheney on May 16, 2013 at 10:53 AM
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