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Re: “Being one of Princeton Review's top 20 party schools is nothing to brag about

I went to college at a former "#1 Party School" as judged by the Princeton Review, and the author's accounts conform closely to those in the episode of This American Life of the same name. It also recalls events that I experienced first-hand, so to say "this is all new" seems ridiculous. However I would entertain an argument based on data and not speculation.

The "carpe diem" mindset that these students, like their many forebears is a Cliff's Notes version, distilled to "party hard while you can" ignoring the fact that being a little sh*t will carry penalties in the near and far term. Your school and town will crack down on you, and for the non-rich-and-well-connected the public intoxication arrests do a number on job prospects.

If you find yourself in the midst of nursing a hangover, wondering aloud why that boring, sober homeowner was being so harsh last night, consider the last time you saw a drunk person actually make more sense than the sober person they were pleading with. Since that is likely "never," the same outcome applies to you, no matter how righteous your stand against that beer bottle and/or manhole cover was at 2:45am. Have fun, but just go quietly when the opportunity presents itself.

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Posted by factoryconnection on September 6, 2016 at 8:56 AM

Re: “Being one of Princeton Review's top 20 party schools is nothing to brag about

Can we now bring up the obvious topic / question? Incidents of this sort were much, much less common when downtown bars could stay open late. I mean like sunrise late.

Sure, there were big house parties (especially on Saturdays, the one night of the week when the bars had to close at 2am) and yes cops got called. But nothing like this shit I am reading about these days.

Put the people that want to party all night back in bars where they belong, instead of on their tiny little porch which is 8' from your bedroom.

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Posted by Cid95 1 on September 5, 2016 at 10:32 PM

Re: “The Blind Tiger reopens Thursday with a mayoral ribbon cutting

^ I figured the "State and Church" subtitle was intentional and possibly referencing what seems like, according to this article, a backwards Monopoly move that booted the previous owner out and is getting a mayoral ribbon cut to "seal the deal" for the public eye.

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Posted by LaPaCa on September 5, 2016 at 11:44 AM

Re: “Being one of Princeton Review's top 20 party schools is nothing to brag about

There is simply no excuse for bad behavior. Why should it be characterized by the
Ron person, for example, as an argument about "convenience." Nighttime is not for roistering in the public streets, and these children need to be helped to understand that. That the child in question didn't "understand" the issue reminds me of the twit who after having a hundred people in the street at 3 AM responded
to my calling of the police by asking me if there had been a problem.

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Posted by Susan Flaster on September 5, 2016 at 3:39 AM

Re: “Are Pay What You Will nights beneficial to theater companies?

I actually agree with both sides of this argument. I, as a student, have only been able to go see many shows because of reduced or PWYW events at theatres both in my hometown and on Broadway. Those reduced prices have allowed me to see shows I definitely would not have been able to see at full price. I do also agree that PWYW events bring in more people that might not usually go to the theatre. Whether it's because of lack of funds or simply uncertainty, removing the monetary pressure on these people makes the theatre less intimidating and more accessible.

On the other hand, I do think that these types of things can bring people to the theatre that will not enjoy or experience it in the way it was intended, and could potentially hurt their future views and expectations. When the cost of something goes down, people have a tendency to see it as lesser, consciously or not, because to them it physically has been devalued. I think it's good to give people an opportunnity to be proven wrong, but I don't think that's possible in every case.

-Allison Whyte

Posted by Allison Whyte on September 4, 2016 at 11:25 AM

Re: “Being one of Princeton Review's top 20 party schools is nothing to brag about

"A few days after moving to Charleston last year"

When are these Northerners (she is from Wisconsin) going to stop coming down here and telling us how to live our lives?! Am I right you guys?!

Oh wait, her argument is one of convenience for y'all. Hence the silence on the usual "love it or leave it" pablum.

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Posted by Ron Liberte on September 4, 2016 at 11:05 AM

Re: “Being one of Princeton Review's top 20 party schools is nothing to brag about

you've lived here a whole year? and you "asked him about his own mortgage and responsibilities." you sound very self important.

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Posted by ncspartan on September 3, 2016 at 6:57 PM

Re: “Charleston diners, stop asking servers this question

Awesome! I hope you get only whales with fat tips!!

Posted by James Jones on September 3, 2016 at 5:00 PM

Re: “The 2016-2017 college football starts this week — here's where to watch your team

LSU is at Locals in Mt. Pleasant!

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Posted by cofcalum08 on September 3, 2016 at 11:36 AM

Re: “The Blind Tiger reopens Thursday with a mayoral ribbon cutting

It will never be the same!!! Too sad.

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Posted by Amy Barbanel on September 2, 2016 at 4:44 PM

Re: “Being one of Princeton Review's top 20 party schools is nothing to brag about

Yes, every parent is "proud of their kids." Yes, and every parent thinks that their kid is "gifted." And yes, all say, "my kid would never act like that." The College of Charleston has been around for nearly 250 years. Do you really believe that the school, police, and neighbors haven't addressed this problem before?!

The issue is that these adults (no, they're not kids) weren't raised to be respectful of others. The issue is that absentee landlords cash the rent checks, and care about little else. They don't improve or even maintain their properties, and take no interest in their tenants.

The College can remind students that they are guests of The College, and will be expelled if they cannot assimilate into the community. It's a learning opportunity and part of the four-year maturation process that students learn to act responsibly, not drink excessively, and not impinge on the rights of others. Basically, abide by the Golden Rule.

The solution is the Livability Court, because the violators (renters) AND the landlord must attend. If that's not enough to embarrass them, then the students should move back home, and the owners should sell to a family wanting to make a positive contribution to the community.

Nice article, Shani, congrats!

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Posted by Ferris Kaplan on September 2, 2016 at 3:28 PM

Re: “Being one of Princeton Review's top 20 party schools is nothing to brag about

Also, here is some information from the school's website about diversity programs and programs for students with disabilities. I'm sure there is more if you just take a look.

http://admissions.cofc.edu/explorethecollege/diversity/

http://diversity.cofc.edu/

http://reach.cofc.edu/about-reach-program/index.php

Each summer before a student's freshman year, the school has required reading. The student's write an essay based on prompts from either the school or the author (I'm not sure but it's all on the school's website) that must be turned at their convocation ceremony which takes place before school begins. They attend discussion programs revolving around their required reading as well. The program is called CollegeReads! This years required reading was The True American: Murder and Mercy in Texas by Anand Giridharadas. The year my child entered the College of Charleston the required reading was Freedom Summer by Bruce Watson. Mr. Watson was able to visit the campus and speak to the students at several events held on campus that year.

The opportunities are there for the students. If you have more ideas, please reach out to the school as I'm sure they will listen.

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Posted by CofC Parent on September 2, 2016 at 3:09 PM

Re: “Being one of Princeton Review's top 20 party schools is nothing to brag about

As the parent of a College of Charleston student I know there are some amazing, respectful and terrific kids on that campus. It would be great if the author of this (and any other disparaging) article would,rather than write an article that tears the kids and the school down, perhaps reach out to the College directly and propose a joint effort between the community, the City and the College and its student/faculty body to build the bridge that would make Charleston and the College that much better. Many of these students will stay in Charleston after graduation and become your neighbors, your employee, your boss and perhaps your friend. I realize sometimes you have to call the Police when it becomes out of hand and I totally understand that but don't simply complain about the problem. Approach the school and the town with a idea or a plan to make it better as well. I'm not giving any person a pass who breaks the law and disturbs the peace but I do think there are productive and smart ways to try to make it better for everyone. It's a great school and I'm proud my child attends the College of Charleston.

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Posted by CofC Parent on September 2, 2016 at 2:47 PM

Re: “Being one of Princeton Review's top 20 party schools is nothing to brag about

This is a great summary of a very bad but typical example of what happens when young people are not raised to respect authority. I have just left an experience with a school in North Carolina that requires high performance from its students K-12. The parents support that program and the kids in the upper school do not seem to mind. If fact they work hard and behave.
Shani you did well and I look forward to more of the same from you!!!

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Posted by James Robert Shirley on September 2, 2016 at 2:44 PM

Re: “Being one of Princeton Review's top 20 party schools is nothing to brag about

This is what livability court is for and it works. Believe me once they have been hauled before Judge Molony they get it just like they do on Judge Judy. Better yet, get the names of the offenders and call Community Outreach at the College at 843/953-5611. They will take action too. Both need a name and if possible an address where they live.

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Posted by Pc Coker on September 2, 2016 at 1:27 PM

Re: “Charleston diners, stop asking servers this question

I know just what you need... let's get you a participation trophy

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Posted by Ima Oldman on September 2, 2016 at 1:39 AM

Re: “Charleston diners, stop asking servers this question

Dude, if you want to be respected by people who don't know you, go into a profession that people respect. If your self-worth derives from your take-home pay, take the money and shut up.
Kudos for being a great waiter and all that. Servants are servants.

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Posted by ImFromHere on September 1, 2016 at 11:44 PM

Re: “The tragic but undeniable truth about Scott Weiland and Stone Temple Pilots

Ur a moron bro, wondering how u get paid to do this..."suburban mischief"? Ugh, spare me ya hack...who u copying from or r u an original comedian

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Posted by Matt Warzel on September 1, 2016 at 9:46 PM

Re: “Invasion of the ants

Why worry about ants when you have international investors reshaping the environment wholesale?

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Posted by Chip Curry on September 1, 2016 at 8:40 PM

Re: “CofC suspends alcohol-related activities for fraternities, sororities

Glenn McConnell is from Charleston, went to College of Charleston, and is somehow surprised that College of Charleston people want to get get fucked up and engage in reckless behavior like every other college-aged person in America? This isn't one of your treason-supporting circle jerk Civil War re-enactments, Glenn. This is the real world. If you don't have a grasp on the reality of the organization you are overseeing perhaps you should step aside.

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Posted by Ron Liberte on September 1, 2016 at 8:35 PM
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