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Re: “What the modern terms for gender and sexual identity mean

Santorum came in second in the Republican primary. That would indicate that very many Republicans view their party more as Clarkie does than as you do, Art.
Or as Hunter does, for that matter.

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on July 15, 2012 at 12:05 PM

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Love thy neighbor also means don't tread on thy neighbor. Allow thy neighbor to live thy neighbor's life.

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Posted by tupper29406 on July 15, 2012 at 10:55 AM

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More concerning is Clarkie's effect on the threads here and any discussion of actual issues. Santorum is a footnote in the 2012 primary campaign.
My effect on either of them is obviously zero. I'll waste my time in other diversions.

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Posted by artrogue on July 15, 2012 at 10:45 AM

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Drift, its about your soul and salvation. its called "Love" thy neighbor. amen.

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Posted by Clarkie on July 15, 2012 at 7:29 AM

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Why do people like Clarkie care so much anyway? Live in the now, dead is dead after all. We can take care of ourselves just fine without your "concern" .

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Posted by Driftaway on July 15, 2012 at 12:38 AM

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Here's where he comes back with "the Bible is the only book I ever need".

Glad you enjoyed the Eden bit.

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Posted by mat catastrophe on July 14, 2012 at 9:59 PM

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So Art if Clarkie does more damage than good does the same apply to Rick Santorum?

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on July 14, 2012 at 9:50 PM

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Oh and i do hope you will ,at least, give that book a casual look.

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Posted by artrogue on July 14, 2012 at 9:04 PM

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Well i may have to rethink my views. Sharing eternity with matt in a burning lake of fire is not my idea of fun.

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Posted by artrogue on July 14, 2012 at 8:56 PM

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well art, being you are an unbeliever as mat is . not much hope for either of you it seems. But. with God all things are possible , even with the both of you . Amen

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Posted by Clarkie on July 14, 2012 at 8:45 PM

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btw Matt i enjoyed ur post on the garden of eden. Well written piece.

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Posted by artrogue on July 14, 2012 at 8:29 PM

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Here is some reading material for you clarkie. Let me know what you think. www.godpart.com
"The Author uses a Socratic technique to brilliantly and flawlessly argue that our concepts of spirit and God are derived from the mechanics of our brain...enormously important...full of scientific and philosophical truths."
I see my conservative political thought as completely apart from any religion. I might be a minority in that respect, but the two can function just fine without the dependence on a father figure.
So far. i've tried to stay out of this religion discussion but i think you do more damage than good. I would think that would bother you.
Surely there are more important uses of your time than debate with people you can never hope to reach. haha i just realized i'm in that same boat. :)

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Posted by artrogue on July 14, 2012 at 8:28 PM

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Are we assuming that in Bible-topia there even is DNA? Aren't we all just dust and clay that God breathed on?

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Posted by mat catastrophe on July 14, 2012 at 7:48 PM

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But wait, there's more! If Eve was grown from Adam's rib, as the fairy tale says, there is a name for such a being.
Clone.
So if Eve is Adams female clone, he is actually having sex with his identical female twin. ( I know, no such thing).
But having identical DNA, wouldn't their children also have the same DNA? In other words, be more male and female clones of Adam.
But since we are not all twins, obviously this fairly tale must be in error.

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on July 14, 2012 at 7:16 PM

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If Adam and Eve's children had sex with each other, which would have been necessary for the human race to continue, it makes them incestuous.
Next generation, however, would only need to have sex with cousins, which would make them Southerners.

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on July 14, 2012 at 6:53 PM

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See! See! Clarkie, god, and the Republicans want to make women "subservient" to men.

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on July 14, 2012 at 6:47 PM

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It's amazing how you can write all that and not answer a single question. Are you a politician?

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Posted by mat catastrophe on July 14, 2012 at 6:37 PM

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mat are you really that ignorant ? God created Adam. and then made Eve for him. and they were married By God and began the marriage institution by God . yes they sinned against God in the garden by Eve , Eve transgressed the law first eating the forbidden fruit. and Adam did eat of it also. so both began to die that very day. but they lived for many hundreds of years . it tells us how old Adam was when he died the physical death just as God told them would happen to them if they disobeyed His Command about the Tree. and of course it does say that they had sons and daughters . just as it says of Noah and many of the others. Mostly the female children were not named , only the Males in most cases . being God made Adam the head of the Human race, and the man is the head of the wife. you see the woman has tried to usurp over the man for many hundreds of years now . and it has caused many problems in most all societies since the beginning . . I said that God had not made any laws concerning "incest" as we have today, however. back in the days of Abraham that law was put in place. I believe that all that is in the Book of Lev.

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Posted by Clarkie on July 14, 2012 at 5:16 PM

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Going back a bit further, according to the superstitious, nothing can create itself, therefor "god" created the universe.
So since nothing can create itself, why would there be a "god"?

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on July 14, 2012 at 12:54 PM

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So, there was no incest in the Garden of Eden? OK. So, since you're really good at explaining that away, let's go deeper.

There was Adam and Eve. They had two sons. No daughters that I am aware of are spoken of in the Bible. Now, I'll admit I am fuzzy on whether this is before or after the Fall and the, as you say, Disease infected humanity. Either way, there are only four people on the entire planet at this point as far as I can tell.

Cain slays his brother Abel. Cain is thrown out of the Garden to the Land of Nod. Where there are, somehow, *other people*. Did God create them? If so, why is this not mentioned? If God did not create them, how did they get there? Is this when incest is created? Now that there are actually enough people to make it possible to not commit it?

Cain takes a wife. Has a child named Enoch, am I right? Did these people automagically spontaneously generate? Evolve? Get created? Why would God create people to take up the slack for Adam, Eve, and Cain when he could have just wiped them off the face of the planet and started over? He's God, right? Why bother with a bunch of disobedient people, especially where there's only three of them?

OK, whatever. So a few hundred years later, mankind (now, presumably, in the thousands and all apparently still hanging out in the Middle East) is going rotten and God wipes them all out (what a just and loving God, not killing 3 and starting over but waiting until there are thousands!). So, now we're left with Noah and his family. By your own statement above, *INCEST NOW EXISTS* and only Noah and his immediate family are alive on the Earth, not to mention there are only two of each animal.

The only way for you to rationally reconcile these events is to decide that there actually is no such thing as incest, whether genetically or morally.

I cannot understand how people are able to live with this sort of cognitive dissonance in their heads once they reach adulthood. When you are a child, and you ask a parent a question and then follow every answer up with "Why?" until you get to "Because I said so" then you, as a child, just accept that answer.

But what happens to people who continue to accept the neverending "Because I said so" answer from their religion?

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Posted by mat catastrophe on July 14, 2012 at 11:00 AM
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