Exactly. The issue is whether or not the business itself should pay a living wage for its employees through the businesses own earnings, or whether the entire country should pay through taxes for the welfare, food stamps, and assorted to make up the rest of the employee's living wage.
The issue is whether you want the business itself to pay for its workers, or if you yourself want to pay for its workers.
I would rather have the business pay the wages, and have me pay for the unemployment and welfare for the few who truly need it.
"You people realize that when people make poverty wages the public makes up the difference through public assistance, right?"
I have no problem with these people getting paid more, but $15 is overkill. I know many college graduates that started out at that hourly rate. Hell, I have seen engineering contractor positions posted starting at $17/hr.
You people realize that when people make poverty wages the public makes up the difference through public assistance, right? I'd rather MacDonalds have to pay their employees more so less people be need to be on public assistance.
Of course, if you're one of those special kinds of assholes who thinks the poor should be made to suffer for their "bad choices" you probably don't want them to get any assistance or any raises.
I should probably post on Facebook and email all the newspapers telling them I have a Notary Public signed letter which states I get $200 and a free ride home each time my bike is confiscated by the city of Charleston.
Warnings and signs would be a good way of educating the public. You can't expect to wield supreme power just 'cause some watery tart threw a Facebook post at you!
What happens in 2 years when someone has their bike copped by the cops? "Well, you see, back in 2013 we sent out a Facebook post alerting everyone to the law." C'mon guys, put up some signs.
When I was in college, I only made $10 an hour researching advanced computer applications for coal/mineral analysis. I don't think the college pays a whole lot more today. Why does a McD's employee deserve to make $5 more than that an hour? Don't get me wrong, I am all for an increase in salary for hard workers, and it is sad the fast food chains pay so little. I just don't know if bitching to the government is the right way to go about this.
So if the minimum wage goes up to $15 will the fast food places get rid of the sorry asses that work there and hire some competent employees?
If you don't like the pay don't take the job.
artrogue, The comments were deleted because they were copied and pasted verbatim from other sources. We're pretty generous with what we allow here, but please don't simply repost others' original content.
The ridiculous idea that a non-government employer should have the right to employ any one they choose is incomprehensible. After Uncle Sam tells them who works for them, then he should tell them what business they should be in.
Perhaps a warning tag on bikes for a couple weeks until most get the gist of the new law instead of just confiscating them? "We shared it on Facebook."? Really?
Why won't the cruise industry commit to the kind of limit that Bryan mentioned. He is, after all, a big proponent representing the cruise industry's argument and he wants it. 1-2 ships per week is 75-100 per year, and I believe everybody would be happy if that limit was formally agreed upon.
Another poster mentioned Mobile, and that is a very relevant topic here. When taxpayers fund on-shore power and other cruise infrastructure, the cruise industry can take it or leave it. In Mobile, they left it, and the waste was massive. If you think that Charleston will be able to magically get a binding guarantee out of the cruise industry where other cities have not, you're dreaming.
Trollslayer - as a product of the South Carolina public school system, and due to my own inadequacies, I am terrible at math and science. Assuming I'd somehow managed to get through an engineering program and graduate, would you really want me engineering anything you came into contact with?
When the wages paid must be raised beyond what the workers are worth, then the cost of the product goes up. Then, everyone else wants a raise too, so the cost of their products go up too. So, even with their new raises, the cost to live stays out of reach of the lowest paid echelon.
It's called inflation.
“If you don't want minimum wage, go to school.'
Let me update that a bit for those who went to college and still can't get a job:
Go to school, study something difficult and useful like engineering.
Then you will deserve and be paid more than minimum wage.
We are where we are in life because of decisions we have made. ALL of us!Some chose the status quo some chose to succeed and excel. ACCEPT responsibility and accountability for YOUR decisions and actions or the lack thereof.
"Speaking of automobile congestion, which pollutes more, cruise ship exhaust or exhaust from hundreds of automobiles if those same tourists came here by land?"
Cars will be polluting more CO2 overall, but the ship will be exhaling tons of HC, soot, and particulates, which is something most modern automobiles only release at a fraction of a ppm. The health hazards to the local population from things like ozone is a concern with increased ship traffic. Also, ship emission regulations are nothing like the strict regulations in the automotive world. I think we have had this discussion before, in the clean shore power article. I don't like more cruise ship traffic, but am not as concerned if they are using shore power.
ROFLA at the guy's gay rights confusion....I should get a lot more than 7.25 to be an out gay man in SC.
But I digress
No one is equating fast food work with brain surgery.
Nonetheless, these workers should have a living wage that enables them to live in stability.
It's scandalous that many fast food workers, Walmart employees etc,have to be on food stamps when working full time.
I would think conservatives would support a wage increase that would negate reliance on gvt support.
School certainly helps, but it isn't necessarily the answer, especially when most of South Carolina's public schools don't start teaching basic grammar until middle or high school and something as basic as geography isn't taught at all.
I went a college in the top 200 and graduated in 4 years with degree in hand, and I have never been able to find anything better than basic office work, which if you look on Craigslist, rarely seems to pay more than 8-12 an hour. Granted, I am female, so statistically I'd be on the lower end of the wage spectrum anyway.
Even $12 an hour, after taxes and bills and insurance (because basic office jobs rarely include benefits), is not enough for anyone to be comfortable as a single-income household. On $12 an hour, it's a little financially unrealistic to ever contemplate buying a house, or having a child, or providing myself a comfortable retirement.
Multiply one person making $12 or less an hour by hundreds of thousands of people, and suddenly the future looks a little bleak - a generation of people like me whose parents were solidly upper-middle class, but whose children won't necessarily own a house or have a child or retire. Society suffers when a significant portion of the population is living hand-to-mouth and a weaker society means we all lose out.
It would be nice if having an education was a golden ticket to higher wages, but it's not, and it's also not a very "christian" thing to criticize the less fortunate.
Since Cid95 sees ENDA as a bad idea, yet another layer of grease on an already slippery slope, I have to ask him: is federal protection against employment discrimination based on ethnicity or gender also a fundamental wrong? How so?
One argument I've heard against extending employment protection to include matters of sexual orientation is that there will be a flood of bias lawsuits. However, states that have these protections in place see them as a small percentage of overall employment discrimination claims. Can that data be used to sway opinion? Or is the "think of the businesses" defense just a cover for "gays are yucky and I don't want to hear Marc from accounting dish about his life partner?"
Honestly, I wonder if the fastest way for ENDA to be passed would be for some gay bosses to fire employees for being heterosexual. I know the outcry would be way more vocal, though things like irony seem lost on most bigots.
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