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Comment Archives: Stories: News+Opinion: Feminism, Y'all

Re: “Even though I'm 40, I still need my mother”

Nicely written and insightful w/o being sappy or pandering. Should make your mother very proud.

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Posted by gnu name on May 9, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Re: “Even though I'm 40, I still need my mother”

Congrats on having such a good Mom. You might want to move closer. Or borrow the figureheads you need for your daughter.

Very nice column.

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Posted by Tia Sukin on May 9, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Re: “Even though I'm 40, I still need my mother”

You're lucky to have a good mother; I wish I had had a better one. But she probably couldn't have been much different from what she was. BTW, my daughter just turned 41. She also looks a good bit younger than her chronological age and she and her mother get along beautifully.

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Posted by pugnax on May 9, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Re: “Even though I'm 40, I still need my mother”

Ah mothers. Delivering the perfect amount of encouragement and support lightly garnished with a little debilitating guilt.

Also, you're 40?! Can I harvest some of your cells? Not in a creepy way though, I promise.

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Posted by Ron Liberte on May 9, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Re: “The death of Robert Saylor highlights the problem of prejudice against those with Down syndrome”

This is one of the most obtuse articles I can remember reading. It seems to indicate everyone should be aware of and make allowance for certain conditions that might affect someones ability to recognize and comply with request made by police or other authorities. It seems to be based in some fantasy that suggest all people are created equal when in fact they are not. Perhaps the writer would feel better if autistic people could be readily identified in our society by some mark or sign so that when some irresponsible guardian lets the individual run about in mainstream society, everyone would know to give them some slack. Blind people normally have a specially painted cane or a seeing eye dog that identifies them as impaired. Autistic people do not. On face, they look normal. People with brain damage and other mental issues are put at great risk when they allowed to walk the streets and perhaps they should be somehow marked so everyone can be aware and make allowances for their condition. Or perhaps the law could require they not be allowed in public without an escort. And if the individual does have a keeper with them, that person should not allow them to blatantly break the law as if they had some special privileged to do so based upon their handicap. Often the real issue here is when someone who should be responsible for an autistic person can't handle the liability, they shirk their duty to a person they are suppose to love, and then blame society when conflicts arise. Yes autistic people can talk, but what is really at issue is can they communicate effectively when their lives depend on it. If the answer is no, then someone needs to be with them at all times to take their part when they cannot fend for themselves. It is obvious that the writer has never been responsible for such a person. If they had, they would realize this is wishful thinking personified, and does absolutely nothing to obviate the problem.

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Posted by And if elected... on April 19, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Re: “The death of Robert Saylor highlights the problem of prejudice against those with Down syndrome”

Paulius, the greater issue is why they refused to wait for the caregiver to get Ethan's mother to intervene (she was on her way), and why, once in the restraint, didn't follow basic officer training to either roll him over or put him in a sitting position.

In addition, the DA has refused to charge the case, and the local authorities have been permitted to carry out an investigation themselves, into their own officers. This speaks to an attitude that Ethan's life did not matter enough to properly investigate. That looks a whole lot like prejudice to me.

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Posted by kimchilatkes on April 18, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Re: “The death of Robert Saylor highlights the problem of prejudice against those with Down syndrome”

This WashPo story puts how the death occurred in a little more context.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-03…

The author could've mentioned that Robert was obese, and that the deputies initiated CPR as soon as they saw he was in distress. Dying this way has happened to others that didn't happen to have DS.

"I wish they would denounce the actions that led to Saylor's death as an example of prejudice."

Why? Is there any evidence they treated Robert differently than anyone else? Or is it that they didn't? I sympathize with his family, and I certainly view this as a tragedy that didn't have to happen. I even agree it was caused in part by Robert's physical condition, but I think that condition was much more his weight than it was his Down Syndrome.

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"Feminism is a social movement working to eradicate all forms of oppression that keep people from achieving their full humanity."

Does that mean a national feminist chorus will be denouncing Kermit Gosnell sometime soon?

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Posted by Paulius on April 18, 2013 at 1:13 AM

Re: “The death of Robert Saylor highlights the problem of prejudice against those with Down syndrome”

I can't agree with you more, before I had my daughter I didn't realize, I thought people with down syndrome were not intelligent and couldn't do much. Now I have this walking, talking, bicycle riding, etc, etc, almost three year old and I am like what the hell was wrong with me. I had my head shoved so far up my ass I could have had amazing, true friends if I could have looked past the little difference in their faces. In this case ignorance is not bliss. It took me having a daughter with an chromosome to realize what in idiot I was. I will never be like that again. THANK YOU for this great article. WE must endeavor to show how wonderful our kids/family/friends are, because seeing is believing.

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Posted by Brittani Smith on April 17, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Re: “The death of Robert Saylor highlights the problem of prejudice against those with Down syndrome”

I love my little guy with DS he is 10 months old! I can't wait to see who he will be when he grows up! He has 2 older brothers and an older sister who fight over him! I hear My baby! No my baby everyday! lol They only see him as a cute baby that has stole their heart!They asked me if I wanted to terminate I said HELL NO!! I want what God gave me. I just wish the world could see all with DS as just another person that God made just right!

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Posted by J Ann V Wood on April 17, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Re: “The death of Robert Saylor highlights the problem of prejudice against those with Down syndrome”

People seem to remember how Down's Syndrome used to be 40-50 years ago ,the doctor would advise the parents to put their child in an institution, and they were never taught anything because the adults never thought they they could learn . I am sure glad that attitude has changed. But then again how much has it really changed - doctors advise pregnant woman to abort their babies once they have done amniocentesis and it is known that the baby has Down syndrome. It is just wrong that those officers got away with this travesty of justice .

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Posted by Wendy Ford on April 17, 2013 at 9:45 AM

Re: “The death of Robert Saylor highlights the problem of prejudice against those with Down syndrome”

Well written Alison. If only they had taken the time to talk to him and find out what was going on. Knowledge is power, and this should be part of their training as officers. My mentally disabled uncle died in October (his birthday is actually today), and I can't tell you the prejudices he dealt with his entire life. But anyone that knew him walked away a better person.

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Posted by Jennifer Bilbro on April 17, 2013 at 9:13 AM

Re: “The death of Robert Saylor highlights the problem of prejudice against those with Down syndrome”

Thank you for this very powerful essay. Thank you for connecting the dots to feminism. I am surprised that the disability community in general is not in a rage. Ethan Saylor was every mother's son...

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Posted by Brigid Sullivan on April 17, 2013 at 8:22 AM

Re: “We must encourage women to be more assertive in the workplace”

Apologies to everyone for getting off the article topic and hijacking the thread.
Simply responding to why we can't have nice things.
Actually we have more nice things than most of the world's population.
Why do we have nice things?
Depending on the answer to that one simple question you know all you need to know about someone's political/economic opinions.

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Posted by artrogue on February 16, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Re: “We must encourage women to be more assertive in the workplace”

"Without the greedy rich capitalist pigs, you wouldn't have many nice things."

No one mentioned anything about economics, but now that you mention it that would fall into that whole "worst aspects of the dominant culture" thing I tried to get going as a discussion earlier in the thread....

But no! You guys wanna go on with your bang-bang-chest-thump macho crap and/or your pseudo-sensitive-ponytail-guy crap. Pah! *spits* A POX ON BOTH YOUR HOUSES

Posted by mat catastrophe on February 15, 2013 at 7:09 PM

Re: “We must encourage women to be more assertive in the workplace”

that last comment creeped me out. ugh.

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Posted by artrogue on February 15, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Re: “We must encourage women to be more assertive in the workplace”

Actually, FCB, that's not a problem. What I say about many women does not apply to all women. Those who are talented and truly competent appreciate candor as long as it is fair. And beside, I don't mind working under a good woman. And I know where all their hot buttons are and just how to make them tingled..

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Posted by And if elected... on February 15, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Re: “We must encourage women to be more assertive in the workplace”

I was unable to read any posts after aManUndone's painfully awkward self- emasculation.

So, tell me, before your 18th birthday how many nations did you roam? How many women did you "stick yours in?" With compelling prose like that, I am sure the latter number is very, very high. What woman could resist ensconcing you between her hips?

Posted by Cid95 on February 15, 2013 at 2:31 AM

Re: “We must encourage women to be more assertive in the workplace”

Without the greedy rich capitalist pigs, you wouldn't have many nice things.
If elected's post is their opinion, I sure don't think it reflects my opinon or real conservatism. Anymore than that Larry guy reflects all left wing thought.
Conservatives arent going anywhere, btw.
Sorry to smash ur dream of a one party country with no opposing opinions.
Since nothing is going to get better under the current administration,
at the end of the next four years, the country will be ready for a conservative!

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Posted by artrogue on February 14, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Re: “We must encourage women to be more assertive in the workplace”

Nice post elected, good thing you never want to get laid again.

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Posted by FCB on February 14, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Re: “We must encourage women to be more assertive in the workplace”

Ladies and gentlemen, the above comment is what is considered "serious" political, cultural, and social theory among America's right-wing.

The sooner they're gone, the sooner we can try to have nice things.

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Posted by mat catastrophe on February 14, 2013 at 3:08 PM
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