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Comment Archives: Stories: News+Opinion: Public Policy LTD.

Re: “Today's police departments look more and more like occupying armies

Truthrus, I'm sorry I offended you with the cops' wives on Facebook comment.

I meant it in jest mostly, and had no clue that an actual police officer's wife would respond. I respect what your husband does, I just don't think he needs an assault rifle as a job perk.

While I'm here, I might as well let you in on the little secret that not everyone is a braindead mouthbreather incapable of critical thinking or feel the need to defend everyone in a uniform. To wit, it's entirely possible for me to have a whole army of police friends and still not be okay with the status quo.

Now wrap your head around that. Crazy shit, right?

Posted by warwit on June 1, 2015 at 7:44 PM

Re: “Today's police departments look more and more like occupying armies

"We'll put an intern on it, stat."

I demand more than an intern. Ideally, I'd like future Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Paul Bowers to handle this situation.

Posted by Pronghorn on June 1, 2015 at 5:35 PM

Re: “Today's police departments look more and more like occupying armies

warwit - Cops used to be armed with sidearms and shotguns in the car and that would still suffice for 99% of hostile situations. You're right that rifles (whether selective fire assault rifles or semi-auto versions) are now ubiquitous in most police situations, though.

What truthrus is referring to is the lessons applied from the Columbine attack - the cops then were trained to wait for SWAT to show up so that's why the two nutjobs had an hour or so in the school while a perimeter was set up and SWAT prepared for entry. As a result, police tactics changed and now they immediately confront an attacker. So, a carbine is useful for that sort of thing, even though it's very, very rare thankfully.

Still, I see police in body armor, helmets, rifles in all sorts of situations. Usually "securing the scene" after normal crimes. Keeping in mind that in the USA more people are killed by "hands, fists and feet" than all types of rifles combined each year. So, it's not like police are facing a serious threat from rifle-armed criminals.

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Posted by Cid95 on June 1, 2015 at 5:37 AM

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A must read for any thinking Anerican - Jeffrey Sewell @schotline

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Posted by Jeffrey Sewell on May 31, 2015 at 10:45 PM

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war wit, in an active shooter situation,(schools, movies, etc) first responders can't wait for swat to arrive before taking action, they must enter with who they have and what they have and are relieved once swat is organized and briefed. Failure to do so would be catastrophic, and be met with outrage for failing to act! git-it! and based on the tone of your comments you have no police officer buddies just police officer acquaintances! It is sometimes best to keep ones mouth shut and be thought of as a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

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Posted by truthrus on May 31, 2015 at 8:36 PM

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I can't think of a single scenario where a regular patrol car should be equipped with an M4 carbine, and I have police officer buddies who have showed me their latest GI with pride.

I'm talking about a real assault rifle --- one that has a semi-auto and a burst setting. Not "a large, scary-looking gun", which seems to be all the research MSNBC and CNN could muster on the very well-defined term. Let's face it, 90% of the news media who use phrases like "assault rifle" and "automatic weapon" don't have a fucking clue what they're even talking about. And they generally aren't even in the ball park. And that muddies the whole issue, but I digress.

No excuse for how assault weapons and other weapons oriented to the OFFENSIVE are being used to "protect and serve". It only extends license for an already gung-ho police force to play paramilitary games when they're dealing with sovereign citizens.

Real assault weapons and such should not be used on regular patrols and responses. That's SWAT's job (Special Weapons and Tactics --- git it?) How all this slipped through the cracks I'll never know. But I'm going to assume cop's wives on Facebook had something to do with it.

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Posted by warwit on May 31, 2015 at 5:16 PM

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CIA,

We'll put an intern on it, stat.

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Posted by chrishaire on May 31, 2015 at 1:07 PM

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Maybe Prong finally wised up to the smoke situation at the JI HH.

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on May 30, 2015 at 3:27 PM

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Pronghorn, what on earth led to this traitorous behavior? Perhaps the crowds at the other? Surely Mt. P is no less busy. This is a major news event. Chris Haire, please find out what led up to this deviation from PH's usual migratory dining habits. Might be global warming related. Enquiring minds want to know.

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Posted by CIACulinaryKid on May 30, 2015 at 1:38 PM

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BJK, with the dumbed down education system, a formal education means nothing compared to what it used to. Unfortunately Law Enforcement accepts Any degree as a prerequisite, small engine repair, art, hvac, etc. Imagine a doctor with no medical degree, a banker with no financial education The whole pre-employment process needs to be changed. Most entering local law enforcement have no intention of making it a career, many jumped at the first job offer until better things come along. Too many have no life experiences, no relative job experience, just what mommy and daddy provided. Too many of the EDUCATED rely on spell check and calculators but give you a deer in the headlight look if you ask them to do without.

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Posted by truthrus on May 30, 2015 at 7:58 AM

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File a FOIA act on the education levels of our police force. I think too many have been allowed to substitute military service for formal education and they are most clearly not interchangeable.

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Posted by Bryan Jerry Korte on May 29, 2015 at 9:23 PM

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"here comes lee majors, proghorn, and libertone with thoughtful biased comments"

Like Mr. Liberte, I'm also happy to oblige.

I had Huddle House™ for dinner. Now, here's the surprise:

I went to the Mt. Pleasant one. This is almost extraordinarily hard for me to confess; I feel like I've been extremely misleading to y'all. Feelings are important.

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Posted by Pronghorn on May 29, 2015 at 9:09 PM

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This is a very real Problem...
Yet there does need to be an available resource to deal with heavily armed Criminals. But every City Police and Couty Sheriff's Department does not need a SWAT Team. For small Communities, these resources should only be available from the State Police or the National Guard. It used to be that when the Governor called out the Guard, everybody took a step back, because that meant the invocation of Martial Law, where you either complied with the no riot, no looting or get shot rule.
Martial Law meant the suspension of Civil Liberties and the Constitution in order to de-escalate a situation to where regular law enforcement can protect the public.
It was serious business!
Now, every time some idiot holes up inside his house, here come SWAT to kick in the door. What happened to just waiting him out? Or using Tear gas? Why do we need armored police to invade his home? Hostage situation? Sure. but every time?
The military philosophy is Overwhelming Force. That should be a Last resort for 99% of the Police and Sheriff Departments in this country.

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Posted by FraserGlen on May 29, 2015 at 11:41 AM

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Anyone that uses the phrase 'moral compass' has a 99% chance of being a total asshole.

Ditto for 'core values' or 'family values.'

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Posted by leemajors on May 28, 2015 at 10:45 PM

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perhaps the Black community needs to look at themselves and their Family Foundation, or lack of it. The single mother trying to raise 4 or 5 kids who all have a different father who isn't around or even cares, is doing drugs and running with the gang, and killing each other . The single mother isn't even married to any of the men who fathered their children, this is why we are seeing all this cop on black men of late, trying to keep the young black man from killing others within the community. Yes, we have some bad cops, but you don't scrap them all because of a couple bad ones. Now the Cops are not getting out of their cars today in Baltimore or other cities that have this same problem afraid of going to jail for doing their jobs.
Seems that society doesn't want law and order. the black community is about 13 % of our total population, with the young men accounting for about 4 %, the rest women , children and old men. Yet its the 4% or less that are creating all the problems within these cities, because they do drugs and kill each other because of the Gang problem, they also sell drugs to their own and do most of all the killings of their own . yet all this talk of to much military equipment being given to the local police forces ! I see a degeneration of the social Moral compass.

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Posted by Clarkie on May 28, 2015 at 10:43 PM

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Wow.....this author really doesn't have any original thoughts!

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Posted by MoLeeYom on May 28, 2015 at 9:29 PM

Re: “Bernie Sanders doesn't have a chance, but we need him in the race

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so much for socialism. whawha

Posted by artrogue on May 28, 2015 at 8:59 PM

Re: “Today's police departments look more and more like occupying armies

1. It's the elected county sheriffs who seem to really love all the military toys. Could that be because they have no supervision except at the polls every 4 years when they grandstand on high profile crimes for a while before the election?...well, some of them grandstand constantly.

2. I highly recommend Radley Balko's blog 'The Watch' at Washington Post for information about police militarization and the deeds and misdeeds of cops and prosecutors across the nation.

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Posted by nitrat on May 28, 2015 at 6:53 PM

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I am now muttering my favorite 1988 NWA tune from Straight Outta Compton - FTP. Quit writing this stuff so I quit getting all riled up. Seriously tho, FTP.

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Posted by CIACulinaryKid on May 28, 2015 at 6:15 PM

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"All of the above are great for internet use. I wouldn't recommend them for personal interactions."

Why not? Just carry a gun when you say it. You're a good guy. I'm told they are the only ones that can stop the bad guys.

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Posted by Ron Liberte on May 28, 2015 at 4:37 PM
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