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Re: “Uber Ice Cream will deliver frozen treats to Charleston on Friday

If you have to hand out ice cream to get business, everyone knows you know you're full of shit.

Posted by mat catastrophe on July 19, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Re: “Denzel Curnell face down, gun underneath him according to EMS

I didn't get that part either, shot36.

I guess the full report will clarify, these are only small excerpts.

Posted by Cid95 on July 19, 2014 at 9:32 AM

Re: “167 Raw serves up plenty of seafood, but more importantly hearty lobstah rolls

There does not seem to be any egg in the dough for the bun, a true hallmark of a split top. Adds a depth and certain chewiness. Need to sort that out for $18

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Posted by Really?!? on July 19, 2014 at 9:01 AM

Re: “Denzel Curnell face down, gun underneath him according to EMS

A shell casing is what's left after the bullet is fired and an unspent round is unfired. An armscor 206 .38 special is a revolver so the casing stays in the cylinder after being fired. It has to be ejected by hand.

Posted by shot36 on July 19, 2014 at 5:09 AM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

SLED may have determined it was proper detainment but a decent lawyer could easily have had a good time with it in court, assuming the kid had lived. SLED isn't a judge and it isn't a jury... it's other police, saying one of their own did the right thing.

That being said, I'm not so much taking issue with how the officer felt in terms of a risk to himself. I have no choice but to take his word for it, but I'm not trying to say that he wasn't afraid. My issue is WHY he felt a risk to himself. I don't see anything in his own report that would suggest that his actions were even remotely appropriate for the situation. His fear and his cause for instigating a violent conflict with a citizen observably breaking no laws, instead of trying any other option, appear to be borne more from stereotype than from legitimate probable cause. He almost literally says, "he looked at me funny" as his rationale for pointing a gun at him, for crying out loud.

Yes, his suspicion that he had contraband was correct - but there was no way to know until he assaulted the kid (who was otherwise doing nothing illegal or wrong), making that an irrelevant fact to the complaint people are raising.

The issue isn't that the kid had something he shouldn't have had, it's how the police found it. There are supposed to be rules for this and these stop and frisk policies seem to be stepping over that line with impunity. We hear about Curnell cause of the tragedy, but what about all of the other kids the police are wrong about who don't shoot themselves?

Posted by HappyPessimist on July 19, 2014 at 3:43 AM

Re: “Denzel Curnell face down, gun underneath him according to EMS

You're about one sick fuck, FG.

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on July 18, 2014 at 11:03 PM

Re: “Uber Ice Cream will deliver frozen treats to Charleston on Friday

But u 2 losers keep posting on this "rags" website? Uber is a hot topic around town, they reported it. Just like very other media outlet did today. But Streetlaw---ur probably right, probably hard to find CP at ur trailer park in Hanahan.

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Posted by FairGayme on July 18, 2014 at 9:49 PM

Re: “Denzel Curnell face down, gun underneath him according to EMS

I blame ObamaCare.

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Posted by FairGayme on July 18, 2014 at 9:43 PM

Re: “Midnight bar ordinance goes back to the drawing board

Marvin Oberman proves he's up to date by adopting bad grammar. "I have found that our fine police department has stopped my wife and I..." Shame on him.
And rudeboyjohn, you are an idiot. Ecosystems are self-sustaining, but we don't know enough to assert that Upper King Street, a 5-year-old creation, is even an ecosystem, let alone which are the healthy elements and which are the foreign components. Upper King Street is on a capitalistic roll. What will happen when rents go up and Travel&Leisure moves on?

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Posted by ImFromHere on July 18, 2014 at 9:26 PM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

If it was a legal detainment or not might have been a defense strategy. SLED determined it was proper detainment. The primary point is that he was reportedly carrying an illegal firearm. If not for that he would not have been charged with any crime. Not only is it the only reason he is dead, by using the gun, but also the only reason he would have been facing criminal charges. That is also the most plausible motivation for committing suicide. If it was a legal gun he also wouldn't have faced charges and probably wouldn't have used it to take his own life. In general police don't handcuff someone unless they think there is a real risk to them or someone else. These aren't the techniques used by corrupt or abusive cops. Once again a very tragic ending to a young person's life.

Posted by John Cecil on July 18, 2014 at 5:50 PM

Re: “CARTA wants intermodal facility near Park Circle, but has to sell old site first

Who is responsible for spending the $4,000,000 on an unsuitable site? Take it out of their pay!

Posted by Jennings Rountree on July 18, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Re: “A chat with "Drunk History" creator Derek Waters inside a van outside The Royal American

Ima, was going nuts on Census info, but at least 50% of downtown's population was born in another county (it could have been state. So increase that for 20s folks and of a certain demo (i.e white), so I bet any bar you'll get 10% people from Charleston

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Posted by Naks on July 18, 2014 at 5:26 PM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

Oh wait, I think I see your point. Sorry if that came across as overly dismissive.

Because the point is not whether or not his suspicions were correct, it's the borderline illegal way in which he went about confirming them.

There are rules as far as evidence collection goes, and anything collected in an unlawful search (such as one that was not willingly submitted to, without a warrant, and without probable cause) wouldn't be admissible in court.

Posted by HappyPessimist on July 18, 2014 at 4:47 PM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

Because he can't be charged for the crime due to his death.

Posted by HappyPessimist on July 18, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Re: “Ep. 3 Recap: The characters of Reckless continue to annoy us — does that mean we’ve become invested?

If they renewed Southern Charm - we could have another season of Reckless + they spend a lot of $$ on the local production

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Posted by Bob Kosian on July 18, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

I'm still perplexed why the media has dismissed the significance of being in illegal possession of a firearm? My question was dismissed earlier, but wouldn't he have faced criminal charges for illegal possession of a firearm? And wouldn't the prospect of criminal charges be a more plausible motivation for suicide, as a lot of people are placed on suicide watch after they get arrested?

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Posted by John Cecil on July 18, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

I don't disagree that its a challenge because you're right, reality and human nature often interferes with idealism. That being said I think it's a challenge - not an impossibility or a worthless effort.

I am saying that we cannot change what the police think, but we should be able to change what they *do* at least to the degree of effecting a practical application of those ideals.

I'm fine with the woman in your analogy being suspicious and crossing the street or ducking into the store. I'm NOT fine with her going up to the young man, accusing him of GOING to rape her and then macing him in the face. Especially if she is employed by the government to be an official woman walking in a dark alley.

I have no problem with Medlin establishing contact with Curnell. I have no problem with his suspicion. I have no issues with continued questioning and no issues with requests being made. I would have had no problem with following Curnell, keeping close and watching while he waited for backup, or any number of alternative procedural actions he had the opportunity to take.

Notice that in Medlin's own account he never said that he felt that he was under a direct and explicit threat, just that he felt scared because of a hand in a pocket and a "look in his eyes" - yet now he's pointing a gun at him. OK, heat of the moment in a potentially dangerous situation, fine. Then, by Medlin's own account, Curnell TURNS HIS BACK to him - it's at that point that the officer continues to *take the initiative* in the confrontation and physically grabs him. ALL of the violence, save the one gunshot (that was not directed at Medlin, even), was instigated by the officer, and none of it was prompted by much more than suspicion and stereotype.

That's something that we could change if we wanted to.

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 18, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Re: “Midnight bar ordinance goes back to the drawing board

I attended this meeting last night. Riley kept bantering about how Charleston is a special city and a fragile ecosystem. Funny thing about ecosystems, they are -by definition- self-sustaining. It's only when people introduce foreign elements into them that they become destabilized. Take the hint.

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Posted by rudeboyjohn on July 18, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

That last paragraph sounds fantastic on paper!! I too would love to live in that world. And perhaps if police were robots without the fear of being harmed, that may be the case. But they're not. And here in SC in particular, they are low-paid (no raise in more than 7 years), minimally trained, and short-staffed. They oft times must approach a situation alone with backup anywhere from 10-45 minutes away in Charleston County.

That's like saying a woman walking down an empty dark street should feel perfectly safe whether she sees an elderly woman approaching her or a young man staring at her down as he approaches. She should presume innocence and not change her actions or thoughts in anyway. She shouldn't cross the street, duck into a store, etc. Because that would be profiling right? That would be assuming guilt even though that citizen has done nothing wrong.

Police are human and wish to make it home safely every night. Therefore, they will do what they need to protect themselves, and us for that matter, even if, in some rare cases, this means violating someone's rights (as you define it).

And as a side note, yes, please, please, please use your right to vote to get out the current sheriff's of Charleston and Berkeley county. They've been in too long and do nothing to protect the safety of officers, detainees, inmates, and ultimately citizens of either county.

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Posted by HOBYCAT on July 18, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

And that's where the fundamental disagreement stems from, I think.

Being prepared for disrespect and violence is fine. Stereotypes and generalizations are unavoidable, especially with the way we approach crime in this country. What I am saying is that despite that we should be trying to combat the slide from preparation to action and the bleed from stereotype to procedure.

Whoever has the responsibility to change first is largely irrelevant, in my mind, much like trying to assign blame in the Curnell case. It's a horrible situation that just plain needs to get fixed. I have a certain amount of control with the police, through the vote and elected officials, and can demand more professionalism and ethics in terms of what they do on the job. I have no control over the black community (and admonishing Curnell for having the gun he shot himself dead with is somewhat pointless, no?) so that option amounts to just sitting back and waiting - or, as we are seeing, praising the police for business as usual while the victims continue to not change their ways.

It should not be up to any citizens in this country to prove to the police that they are decent, law-abiding, and respectful - whatever the statistics might be. For it to function ethically, our entire justice system depends on the presumption of innocence, from the very start to the very end. From the street corner to the prison cell.

Posted by HappyPessimist on July 18, 2014 at 3:20 PM
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