Chris Haire served his internship with Nancy Grace
This may surprise you but we are referring to the exact same poll.
No, I'm not about thwarting any effort he may make. I am criticizing his various publicly held positions. I am expressing disappointment in his appointment. He has the job and therefore has the opportunity to earn respect - but he doesn't just automatically get it for the sake of being politically connected.
It is not an assumption that he will make the College more unattractive to minorities, that became a reality before he was appointed - CofC does not exist in a vacuum and students today are pretty well informed about the college decisions they are making. There was noise about it well before he was hired - the fact that he was even a serious candidate did not play very well out of state (which is where CofC needs to recruit in order to stay solvent).
Criticism IS constructive. Sweeping the racism and the other issues with McConnell under the rug and trying to pretend that THIS McConnell is totally different than the McConnell of the past few decades or that there are no problems to see here let's move along is both irresponsible and cowardly.
I don't expect McConnell to make
blatantly racist or anti gay statements or
OTOH reach out and be publicly supportive
to any specific minority group @ Cofc.
I think he is going to stick to the politically agnostic
" everyone is the same and everyone is welcome" PR
No way will he standup against the Statehouse's
animus toward Cofc. He is the Statehouse
and the Establishment personified. McC thought
Bensons protest against Fun Home was a waste of time.
Not to mention that it's 2014, and Benson
was the first Cofc prez to mention us LGBTers.
I loved my time @ Cofc but with or without Glenn,
my alma maters current LGBT students
would be fighting for full respect regardless.
Can't blame gay faculty for moving
to equality states, the wait and generally anti gay atmosphere in SC overall
can be draining both financially and emotionally.
Hopefully, a yr from now given the various federal court decisions
in our favor the Supreme Court will mandate marriage equality nationwide.
And Glenn + Cofc's personnel policies
will have to treat gay couples equal whether he
likes it or not.
And how about this poll???
Wednesday July 2, 2014- The Washington Times
"Hands down Obama is the worst president since WWII:" poll
Your article has zero credibility.
Can't help but think that this article was just made up
McConnell will just lame duck it into retirement. Oh and Ex. Senator Robert Ford, well.....he's a real ethical type of guy.
This column and the comments in support of its position, except maybe Chris Haire pining for a little chocolate drag love, are all about thwarting any effort he may make. The whole "he better say this or I will never believe him" and "there is no way I can stay here where I have lived for the last decade and a half" etc are not going to fix the problems of racism and anti lgbt sentiment that have been going slowly getting better and better for the last 30 years that I have lived here.
The assumption is that he will scare away minority and lbgt people from the school and that is the story that is being told, don't come here if you are one of "those people because he is a white guy who likes civil war history." If you are minority or lbgt and there were efforts to recruit you would you want to come if you saw people trashing the guy before he had a chance to even do anything? If the goal really is to increase enrollment in those sub groups then why do everything possible to scare them away? He has not said that he is going to start burning applications from black kids and kicking gays off campus but you dramatists act as he has been.
The fact is that, like it or not, he is in the position and is not leaving at least for the foreseeable near future. He has already said that his top priorities are to increase minority enrollment and to push towards getting more doctoral degrees, something that the business community has asked for. You can either keep bitching and moaning about it or you can make sure that his tenure is successful as possible by trying to be constructive.
"McConnnell could come out of the closet with a black drag queen lover"
You got that a little tangled up, pal. McConnell is the drag queen, Robert Ford is the black lover.
Ford would still be in the SC Senate if McConnell hadn't been forced to become Lt.Gov. Without his power as ProTem, Glenn could no longer protect his homeboy Robert.
So you're saying I rely on hearsay and assumption to spread lies about McConnell and that's bad, but that I also DON'T rely on hearsay and assumption to prove that he's a good guy and that's bad too? I'm saying I'm not using unprovable and unsubstantiated sources at all - only going by the horse's mouth, not his handlers.
Plenty of people have history hobbies. A good number of them practice good history. Some of them don't. An even smaller percentage of those people, which includes McConnell, use a distorted, wrong, and racist interpretation of history in order to profit financially and politically. I don't care about JUST his living history hobby, but the perspective on that history that influences the re-enactment as well as his flag, store, Bessinger support, etc. He is the very definition of a Confederate apologist, which is not what I hoped to see at the top of CofC.
I'm not sure where you get off saying that people who work at the College are going to try to thwart diversity efforts simply because they don't like McConnell, but I can tell you that's insultingly wrong and out-of-bounds. The criticism is that he's coming in with a handicap that makes the effort harder; just because he actually has the job does not make that criticism go away and it certainly does not mean that the people working hard on the problem are going to stop. That's just so inanely silly to suggest, and pretty much an argument-ender.
You could make the case and we could argue about "hypocrisy" if McConnell got the CofC job ahead of Obama, but to my knowledge he was not only not considered for the position nor has anyone suggested that he should have been.
And the same poll interpreted in a completely different way:
Again, you have proven my point. You will never take anyone's word and in your mind he cannot do a good job because you perceive him and his perspectives as racist. Newsflash, just because someone is a history buff does not mean that they have the same mindset or beliefs of the people from the period of history they are enamored with.
As for the recruitment challenges, they happened before he was there with people in charge that are the 'right' people. In other words, they were the ones who blew it. If he comes out with plane to actively increase minority enrollment, and the people against him will do whatever they can to thwart any efforts he makes to do so, and they are successful he will never get credit for it. I have said it before, the ship has sailed so it would be better for the school to try and work together and make it better instead of just bitching about spilt milk.
As for the Obama comparison, it is not a smoke screen in any way, it is to show the hypocrisy of the people against McConnell. And I will agree that it is not a 1 to 1 comparison. The amount of hatred, division and discontent that Farakhan and Wright have been sowing in the black community for decades has been far more harmful than a guy who dresses up and plays army.
They still can't say anything because no matter what they say it will be so misinterpreted by the media and the NAACP. Why do you think North Charletson is losing one of the best Police Chiefs in the country right now. Tired of the junk he puts up with this type of issue. If everyone had common sense the police or SLED would be able to say what happened now instead of having to take extraordinary efforts in order to try to avoid(probably unsuccessfully) a lawsuit from someone. I am pretty sure we will find out the decedent committed suicide. It is a shame but when the investigation does finish I will be ok with the findings and those same folks will not.
I have no idea whether McConnell is racist or not, as I don't know the man. I'm not taking anyone's word for anything, as that's the exact kind of hearsay and assumption that you're denouncing (as long as it's negative, anyway).
I do know that he has a history of actively and publicly supporting unforgivably racist people and ideas, and that he himself has justified these things as well as his living history hobby with an ahistorical, anti-academic, and yes, racist, perspective. I know these things because McConnell has said and done them himself, in public. Whether he is a racist in his heart of hearts is between him and his conscience, I just know he would not be the kind of person I would associate with and is the last kind of person I think is appropriate to be in charge of a College with historical minority recruitment challenges.
There is meat on the bone for your Obama argument, though I would disagree that it is a 1 to 1 comparison with McConnell's situation. Probably enough to smokescreen the issue at hand though and derail the thread about your man, which I imagine is the point.
One, I don't care about Obama. This ain't about him.
Two, McConnell ... black drag queen lover ... mmm ... tell me more. I'm in the mood for slash fiction.
No you can't but when Robert Ford and Kwadjo Campbell, two gentleman that will call a restaurant racist for having white napkins, both come out and publicly say that McConnell is not a racist that at least puts some doubt into it unless a person's mind is already made up. And if guilt by association is the way to go then why are the left not going nuts over the fact that Obama never denounced Farakhan and Jeremiah Wright? They are two racists in the same league of idiocy as Maurice Bessinger. McConnnell could come out of the closet with a black drag queen lover and the people against him would still say that he is a racist homophobe.
I assume that your point was that people shouldn't prejudge people before they take a job, which I disagree with as a matter of principle. Prejudgment (more commonly known as an "interview" or "selection process") is more important than personal politics, in my opinion, as a hiring tool. You disagree. I'll see your closed-minded insult and raise you a sycophantic ideologue. Or we can just disagree on that point without the insults. I'll leave it up to you from here.
Of course I am not on the Board of Trustees so my opinion on his actual hiring is irrelevant, but that has very little relevance to the validity of my opinion as a member of the campus community. Just because people who I disagree with gave him the job, that does not mean that my objections evaporate any more than you are obligated to suddenly be happy with Obamacare now that it's the law.
Your secondary point was that people make up lies about McConnell to make people believe in false assumptions about him, which I'm not doing at all. Everything my opinion of him is based on comes from his own words in his own context or his own publicly documented behavior.
Glenn McConnell stood up for Maurice Bessinger when the notorious bigot's barbecue sauce empire went up like a burning cross, all because the state's leading grocery chains decided they didn't want to sell products made by a white supremacist. McConnell even went as far as to sell, at his Confederate memorabilia store, Bessinger's sauce after the ban.
You can't sugarcoat that, buddy.
Keep in mind that this will change when the 12am closing rule passes.
Thank you for making my point.
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