What a whiny self-important twit
Well said all around. Why doesn't CCP do a teacher, scientist, officer, volunteer of the year?
Let's see...engaging in racist, sexist, violent behavior with a very deluded perception of morality. Are we sure he's just not auditioning for a position in the Trump administration?
Domestic violence is a deadly issue in SC. This man should not hold office as an elected representative of the people. He needs to resign immediately or be impeached.
This event hasn't happened for years. You should take this down.
I was depressed many years and defeated that depression by my faith in Jesus and prayer. Ever since I have had no suicide thoughts. And no depression.
If you can't afford to pay a $10 cover to see a live band, then go to a bar that has a jukebox and stuff dollar bills into all night. You can then listen to all your favorite songs without paying a cover.
Woot- woot. Plantation Pharmacy rocks. Daniel Chavez is the BEST pharmacist in the STATE!! No.....make that the Souteastern US.
Conservatives shouldn't be the only ones afraid :
Great article - I'm excited to see the evolution of Paul's work.
I have a propensity to take the long, broad view and not get into the weeds with trivia. Media blather has gotten to the point where the federal government, aided by television media, is contemplating taking action against "false news". This is just a prelude to taking away your first amendment rights. The mainstream media can not compete with the "irregular" media, of which this thread is just one element. Therefore the MSM wants a law to regulate/outlaw fake news. Have a good day, fellas.
Best place around great people friendly down to earth and has been around for 10 years wish I would have known of the earlier. Way to go!
Unlike Amadeus, I will not resort to calling him dishonest but, regretably, he simply is profoundly ignorant of the actual history of The Politician.
The Politician was originally written in 1954 as a typewritten unbound manuscript and it was periodically revised. The last revision (before publication) was produced in June 1958 and circulated starting in August 1958. I have a copy of that edition and I have donated it to Internet Archive's website. There is no copy in any U.S. library of that original "private letter".
Amadeus says the Birch Society never called Ike a Communist but merely offered that as "one possibility". Well, that simply is not true. As I previously pointed out, Robert Welch sent letters to prospective JBS members in 1959 and 1960 and in those letters he told the recipients to read his "private letter" (which was 287 pages in length) and then join the Birch Society to do something about "the conspiracy" described in his letter. In other words, read and believe the arguments presented and then join the JBS.
In that original manuscript, Welch made it very explicit that he considered Eisenhower to be a Communist traitor. That is why Welch entitled Chapter 17, "The Word Is Treason".
In that original manuscript, Welch declared:
"For the sake of honesty, however, I want to confess here my own conviction that Eisenhowers motivation is more ideological than opportunistic. Or, to put it bluntly, I personally think that he has been sympathetic to ultimate Communist aims, realistically willing to use Communist means to help them achieve their goals, knowingly accepting and abiding by Communist orders, and consciously serving the Communist conspiracy for all of his adult life." [The Politician, unpublished version, page 266]
"But my firm belief that Dwight Eisenhower is a dedicated, conscious agent of the Communist conspiracy is based on an accumulation of detailed evidence so extensive and so palpable that it seems to me to put this conviction beyond any reasonable doubt." [The Politician, unpublished version, page 267]
However, one does not need to rely upon just those passages. Here are some other passages which reveal Welch's actual position re: Eisenhower:
In discussing Eisenhowers appointment of Philip C. Jessup, Robert Welch refers to Eisenhower as "he and his fellow Communists" [The Politician, unpublished version, page 214]
In discussing Eisenhowers appointment of James B. Conant, Robert Welch refers to the appointment of Conant "made by a Communist President" [The Politician, unpublished version, page 221]
"In my opinion the chances are very strong that Milton Eisenhower is actually Dwight Eisenhowers superior and boss within the Communist Party." [The Politician, unpublished version, page 210]
"We think that an objective survey of Eisenhowers associates and appointments shows clever Communist brains, aided by willing Communist hands, always at work to give the Communists more power, and to weaken the anti-Communist resistance." [The Politician, unpublished version, page 239]
"For Eisenhower and his Communist bosses and their pro-Communist appointees are gradually taking over our whole government right under the noses of the American people." [The Politician, unpublished version, page 238-239]
Welch also refers to Eisenhowers actions in Europe "which show his sympathies with the Communist cause and friendship for the Kremlin tyrants." [The Politician, unpublished version, page 263]
Furthermore, apparently Amadeus did not read the section of my previous message which referred to a 1960 Office of Naval Intelligence Report regarding JBS recruitment activities in the Chicago area.
As that report reveals, a JBS National Council member (Stillwell J. Conner in Chicago) at first LIED about the existence of The Politician but then had to acknowledge it existed after someone in his audience brought a copy to that recruitment meeting.
Conner then admitted that The Politician was given to prospective JBS members when they could be "properly guided within the Society" -- referring to the JBS. So, obviously, the JBS was endorsing the themes, arguments and conclusions contained in the 1950's manuscript -- and the major theme and argument and conclusion was that Eisenhower was a Communist.
There are many additional ways to disprove the conclusion stated by Amadeus.
Lets begin with a comment made by Robert Welch in The Politician, Chapter 16, which discusses Eisenhower associates and appointments (pages 227-228 of the unpublished version and page 238 of the 1963 published edition and page 214 of the 2002 published edition):
Even Welch acknowledges the cumulative effect of all his statements, innuendos, and insinuations in The Politician. Welch wrote:
"So we appear to be calling almost everybody a Communist, merely because we have no reason to be mentioning the good men in Washington, in all branches of the government, who have no Communist sympathies whatever."
So, the first question for Amadeus is:
WHY did Welch acknowledge that the first 16 chapters made it appear that "we appear to be calling almost everybody a Communist"?
Whom, precisely, does Amadeus think Welch was referring to as a Communist -- even in the first PUBLISHED edition which the Birch Society promoted and sold in its bookstores?
As we keep that in mind, lets also remember that the title of the next chapter clarifies Welchs intent with respect to the thrust of his argument as contained in the first 16 chapters. Chapter 17 is entitled: "The Word Is Treason."
One more critically important point:
There is NOTHING contained in The Politician which has not been part of core Birch Society ideology since its inception in December 1958.
In the 1963 published edition which excises the comments on pages 266-268 which I quoted earlier, there is a footnote on page 278 (footnote 2) and its text appears on pages cxxxviii-cxxxix at the back of the book. That text is as follows:
"At this point in the original manuscript there was one paragraph in which I expressed my own personal belief as to the most likely explanation of the events and actions with this document had tried to bring into focus. In a confidential letter, neither published nor offered for sale, and restricted to friends who were expected to respect the confidence but offer me in exchange their own points of view, this seemed entirely permissible and proper. It does not seem so for an edition of the letter that is now to be published and given, probably, fairly wide distribution. So that paragraph, and two explanatory paragraphs, connected with it, have been omitted here. And the reader is left entirely free to draw his own conclusions."
Welch's explanation above for excising 3 paragraphs from the original unpublished version makes very little sense. The themes, arguments, evidence, premises, and conclusions contained in TP differ not one iota from themes, arguments, evidence, premises, and conclusions in official Birch Society literature from its inception. (See below)
Both attribute all of our nation's adversities and setbacks to conscious deliberate actions by numerous prominent Americans in Administrations since FDR [or even Wilson!] occupied the White House. Explanations of motivation always center around "treason" and "conspiracy" by numerous noxious, subversive, and unprincipled characters.
Consequently, the most reasonable inference for why Welch felt compelled to eliminate 3 paragraphs from the 1963 published edition of TP, is the same reason why Welch initially falsely claimed that his "private letter" had nothing to do with the JBS, namely, Welch thought excising the "offending" paragraphs would diminish negative publicity and retain those members (or prospective members) of the Birch Society who might be offended by such an unsparing denunciation and description of Eisenhower as an outright traitor and "dedicated, conscious agent of the Communist conspiracy."
To repeat Welch's rationale from page 267 of the unpublished version, he was trying to accommodate those persons who could not "go all the way with me...to the final logical conclusion."
Amadeus is like many other members or supporters of the Birch Society. He merely parrots whatever the JBS tells him. But he never performs independent research which is why he then uses ad hominem slurs and innuendos rather than engage in factual discussion.
By all means do as Amadeus suggests -- "buy a copy of The Politician" and then see the vicious and malicious statements made by Robert Welch about virtually our entire national political leadership.
The Politician is merely an earlier version of the screed which Welch presented to the first meeting of the JBS National Council in January 1960 (when Eisenhower was still our President). I quote the relevant excerpt below.
COMPARE what Welch told his National Council (the indisputable official position of the JBS) to what is presented in The Politician. There is no materially important difference:
"From a careful and realistic study of the mountainous pile of evidence that is there for all to see, certain terrifying conclusions are objectively inescapable. Among them are:
(1) The Communists are winning their large victories, as they always have, through the cumulative effect of small gains;
(2) They make these gains chiefly through the conniving assistance of many of the very diplomats and officials who are supposed to be opposing them;
(3) Communist influences are now in almost complete working control of our government;
(4) And hence, the United States Government is today, as it has been for many years, the most important and powerful single force promoting the world-wide Communist advance. "
Furthermore, according to the minutes of this meeting, Robert Welch stated:
"Today, gentlemen, I can assure you, without the slightest doubt in my own mind that the takeover at the top is, for all practical purposes, virtually complete. Whether you like it or not, or whether you believe it or not, our Federal Government is already, literally in the hands of the Communists." [Ibid, page 2]
"In our two states with the largest population, New York and California already the two present Governors are almost certainly actual CommunistsOur Congress now contains a number of men like Adam Clayton Powell of New York and Charles Porter of Oregon, who are certainly actual Communists, and plenty more who are sympathetic to Communist purposes for either ideological or opportunistic reasons." [Ibid, page 7]
[Note: the reference to Governors refers to Edmund G. Brown of California and Nelson Rockefeller of New York.]
"In the Senate, there are men like Stephen Young of Ohio, and Wayne Morse of Oregon, McNamara of Michigan, and Clifford Case of New Jersey and Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota and Estes Kefauver of Tennessee and John F. Kennedy of Massachusetts, whom it is utter folly to think of as just liberals. Every one of those men is either an actual Communist or so completely a Communist sympathizer or agent that it makes no practical difference." [Ibid, page 8]
"Our Supreme Court, dominated by Earl Warren and Felix Frankfurter and Hugo Black, is so visibly pro-Communist that no argument is even neededAnd our federal courts below that levelare in many cases just as bad." [Ibid, page 8]
"Our State Department is loaded with Communists from top to bottom, to the extent that our roll call of Ambassadors almost sounds like a list somebody has put together to start a Communist front." [Ibid, page 8]
"It is estimated from many reliable sources that from 70% to 90% of the responsible personnel in the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare are Communists. Our Central Intelligence Agency under Allen Dulles is nothing more or less than an agency to promote Communism throughout the worldAlmost all the other Departments are loaded with Communists and Communist sympathizers. And this generalization most specifically does include our whole Defense Department." [Ibid, page 8]
Statements like these are one of the major reasons that senior FBI officials (including Director J. Edgar Hoover) concluded that the JBS was a major impediment to factually educating the public about the communist movement and why they described the JBS as "right-wing exremist", "irrational", "irresponsible" and "lunatic fringe".
my "special invite" must have been lost in the mail #tfti
John Belushi would have been proud of this
Last Saturday morning in the dark at about 5 am near Coming St. I was cruising through and an idiot in dark clothes sprints across the Crosstown in front of me with no warning. I had to lock the brakes to avoid him. Maybe it's intelligence not cross-overs that we need. As for the student deaths in the past, was the blood-alcohol level in the victims checked in either incident. You would think that someone capable of being accepted by CofC would figure out how to cross the street safely....thinking about driving Calhoun during school hours...nahhh, nevermind.
I will provide one example of Mr. Lazar's stunning dishonesty that I trust will be enough to fully discredit his deception in the mind of any intellectually honest reader.
Mr. Lazar wrote: "(c) The Birch Society DID explicitly endorse The Politician after it was first published in 1963."
By that he meant to imply that the JBS officially took a position stating Eisenhower was an actual communist. What he conveniently omitted is that The Politician published in 1963 and endorsed by the JBS DID NOT ACCUSE EISENHOWER OF BEING A COMMUNIST. It offered that as one possibility to explain Eisenhowers actions.
Ask yourself, why would Mr. Lazar, who knows this very well, omit such an important fact in his post? The only answer is that he wants to mislead you. He cannot be trusted.
I could go on exposing his deception but I have a republic to save!
If you are interested in the facts, buy a copy of The Politician and be blown away.
With respect to Operation Keelhaul -- Mr. Thompson "forgets" to mention that Winston Churchill also supported that policy. Perhaps Mr. Thompson is now going to tell us that Churchill was ALSO a Communist traitor?
Mr. Thompson's biggest whopper is his claim that the "JBS has been proven correct".
Keep in mind that, for decades, both Robert Welch and the JBS declared that our nation's most knowledgeable, authoritative, and reliable source of indisputable factual information about the communist movement in the U.S. as well as about internal security matters generally was the FBI under J. Edgar Hoover's direction.
In fact, the Birch Society published an article in the October 1966 issue of its magazine, American Opinion, entitled "The Wisdom and Warning of J. Edgar Hoover".
Hoover is described in that article as:
"the governments top authority on Communism. His patriotism, integrity, devotion to duty, and consistent efficiency are well known...Had we been wise enough to heed his clear words of warning over the years, we would not now be faced with such a monstrous conspiracy...God bless J. Edgar Hoover!"
One year later, the Managing Editor of the Birch Society's book publishing house contacted Director Hoover with a proposal by Robert Welch for the Birch Society to publish a compilation of Hoover's statements about Communism. The FBI memo about this proposal observes:
"Mr. Welch advised he had the greatest admiration for the Director and that the captioned book was intended as an instrument against communism. He said he felt the statements on the subject from Mr. Hoover would be taken as statements from the worlds greatest authority on the matter of communism." [FBI HQ file 62-104401, #3148; 6/28/67 airtel from SAC Boston to J. Edgar Hoover concerning contact made by Douglas C. Morse, Managing Editor of Western Islands Publishers.]
Another internal FBI memo gives the FBI's position about this JBS proposal:
"It is felt the Director should remain firm in continuing to deny Bales and also the JBS permission to publish excerpts from the Directors quotations on communism. It is not felt that such a book could possibly give a balanced view of the Directors statements and in view of the extremist position taken by both Bales and the Birch Society, it is anticipated that the Director could be subject to public criticism by any implied association with Bales and the Birch Society.
It is significant that senior FBI officials including their most knowledgeable experts about the communist movement -- described Welch and the JBS as "right-wing extremist", "irrational", "irresponsible", "lunatic fringe" and "fanatics".
Furthermore, the FBI falsified virtually every major predicate of JBS ideology.
So for Mr. Thompson to pretend that the Birch Society has been proven "correct" is an absurd falsehood if you review FBI investigative files and you comprehend the profound hostility of senior FBI officials toward Welch and the JBS.
As J. Edgar Hoover told the Warren Commission:
"I think the extreme right is just as much a danger to the freedom of this country as the extreme left. There are groups, organizations, and individuals on the extreme right who make these very violent statements, allegations that General Eisenhower was a Communist, disparaging references to the Chief Justice and at the other end of the spectrum you have these leftists who make wild statements charging almost anybody with being a Fascist or belonging to some of these so-called extreme right societies."
"Now, I have felt, and I have said publicly in speeches, that they are just as much a danger, at either end of the spectrum. They don't deal with facts. Anybody who will allege that General Eisenhower was a Communist agent, has something wrong with him. A lot of people read such allegations because I get some of the weirdest letters wanting to know whether we have inquired to find out whether that is true. I have known General Eisenhower quite well myself and I have found him to be a sound, level-headed man." (Warren Commission, Volume 5, page 101)
AND, a year later, Hoover was even more explicit:
"Personally, I have little respect for the head of the John Birch Society since he linked the names of former President Dwight D. Eisenhower, the late John Foster Dulles, and former CIA Director Allen Dulles with communism."
Mr. Thompson makes several totally illogical statements.
1. Ezra Taft Benson did not have access to classified information about the communist movement in the United States so it is totally absurd to assert any connection between Benson and his agreement with Robert Welch's personal opinions -- which often were nothing more than insinuations and innuendos contained in Welch's "private letter" entitled The Politician.
2. It is NOT "factually incorrect" (as Thompson claims) to state that the Birch Society "believed Eisenhower was a Communist".
The premises, arguments, themes, evidence, and conclusions contained in Welch's "private letter have always been the premises, arguments, themes, evidence, and conclusions used by the Birch Society to educate its prospective members---which is why...
(a) Robert Welch sent copies of his unpublished manuscript to prospective JBS members during 1959 and 1960 and he then asked them to join the JBS based upon their reading and acceptance of the content of The Politician and
(b) In 2002, the JBS published a new edition of The Politician. This new edition is self-described on the back cover as the most devastating expose of the last century because it tells the bitter, but little known truth about our postwar history and the back cover statement concludes:
But most importantly, The Politician exposes that conspiracy of gangsters which even now is setting Americas foreign and domestic policy.
It is also why several JBS National Council members and JBS Coordinators stated that The Politician represented a "higher truth" which only certain JBS members could be trusted to understand.
(c) The Birch Society DID explicitly endorse The Politician after it was first published in 1963.
JBS Bulletin, 09/63:
Robert Welch declared that The Politician "has now proved to be by far the most effective single help to our recruiting efforts."
JBS Bulletin, 6/63
Welch encouraged JBS members to make The Politician "the largest selling book in all history".
AND, in a 8/22/62 letter to Ezra Taft Benson in which he offered to send a copy of the unpublished edition of The Politician to Benson, Mr. Welch wrote to Benson:
"For there are quite a number of outstanding Americans who are among our strongest and most unshakable supporters who had been made so by reading this document; and we have never really had any trouble with, or criticism from, those who have actually read the 'letter' themselves..."
(d) In addition, in September 1960, the Office of Naval Intelligence prepared a summary report concerning JBS activities in the Chicago area.
Here is the pertinent excerpt from their Report which provides further evidence of how JBS officials used The Politician as a recruitment tool for the JBS when readers could be "properly guided within the Society". [JBS National Council member Stillwell Conner's name is mis-spelled as "Connor"].
Stilwell J. Connor, 6657 N. Sioux Avenue, Chicago, Illinois and his wife have been particularly active Coordinators for the John Birch Society in the Chicago area and specifically at Glenview, Illinois. [Name deleted] of Our Lady of Perpetual Help Church in Glenview has cooperated with Society Coordinators by calling special parish meetings for the purpose of organizing local chapters of the Society and extending the use of church buildings for holding such meetings. One such meeting held on July 11, 1960 attracted about 200 citizens to hear Connor present the views of Robert Welch via sound films and literature."
"One member of the audience asked about Welchs book, The Politician. Connor vehemently denied the existence of such a book whereupon the interested spectator produced the book and proceeded to read appropriate quotations for the benefit of Connor and his audience. Connor then admitted the existence of the book but reportedly said that the book was only for those who were properly guided within the Society. Connor reportedly remarked that to make the book available to the general membership without proper guidance would be analogous to permitting a first year medical student attempt to cure cancer. On another occasion a potential recruit of the Society was disillusioned after reading The Politician and expressed her disgust to Connor who cautioned her that if she ever revealed the nature of the book he would promptly discredit her and deny the existence of the book at its contents. [District Intelligence Office, Ninth Naval District Chicago IL; 9/16/60 report captioned "Ninth Naval District Subversive Trends of Current Interest, The John Birch Society, pages 2-3].
(e) Lastly, if you prepare a list of every person named and attacked in The Politician, you will discover that the Birch Society has always presented the same derogatory judgments about those individuals in their official publications -- including the 4-volume JBS publication entitled "Biographical Dictionary of the Left"
Has anyone seen a real journalist lately? I know they are out there somewhere, but getting harder and harder to find. Gunnar was on the right track then unsurprisingly went off the rails at the end. Today in the media we have a lot of people who simply parrot establishment talking points they are fed without any actual research or fact-checking.
But by establishment, I don't mean liberal. I mean monied. Regardless of political affiliation, only a handful of corporations control the majority of media outlets in our country. They have a vested interest in keeping people uninformed. It's a shame this, like everything else, has boiled down to partisan politics. But it is a convenient (and intentional) distraction.
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