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Comment Archives: Stories: News+Opinion: Haire of the Dog

Re: “Why did Denzel Curnell have four extra rounds?

HP do you teach? Please tell me yes. I am quite afraid that you are too smart and rational to be allowed to mingle with the general population at large here. You actually make sense and you know how we do not like that....not at all! Common sense confuses us and throws us off track.
You are right about the Ganders. They never see it coming till its their own neck being wrung.

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Posted by CIACulinaryKid on July 22, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Re: “Why did Denzel Curnell have four extra rounds?

my bad. your first paragraph threw me off, but i see what you are saying now. and yes it is a good point! peace.

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Posted by Art Oflistening on July 22, 2014 at 3:21 PM

Re: “Why did Denzel Curnell have four extra rounds?

I said "search and seizure rights" in the context of an argument against a police state, meaning the 4th amendment to the Constitution, meaning I am in pretty much complete agreement with your opinion.

Your name would suggest you are good at listening, yet you misread my post entirely - meaning irony.

I, uh... promise you?

Anyway, misunderstanding, not a big deal.

Posted by HappyPessimist on July 22, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Re: “Why did Denzel Curnell have four extra rounds?

No, i know for sure i am not. i promise you.

Posted by Art Oflistening on July 22, 2014 at 3:05 PM

Re: “Why did Denzel Curnell have four extra rounds?

Art Oflistening... I think you may be running into some unintentional irony.

Posted by HappyPessimist on July 22, 2014 at 3:03 PM

Re: “Why did Denzel Curnell have four extra rounds?

Sorry sir, search and seizure rights for whom? the police on any given person. hell no. that is not the way ensure gun safety. That sir, is the start of the POLICE STATE!!! End of privacy. no one knows what he was doing with the gun, so you cannot speculate on what he was going to do with it. maybe he has a concealed gun permit? but the fact of the matter is as citizens we are supposed to have alienable rights. when the police can use stop and frisk tactics, and can profile people, we are and more so a certain demographic lives under a burgeoning police state, and an ever increasing militarizing one at that. So No, you are Definitely deeply missing the point if you think search and seizure is part of a free society.....

Posted by Art Oflistening on July 22, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Re: “Why did Denzel Curnell have four extra rounds?

The fact that he had a fully loaded weapon with spare ammunition is a relatively strong suggestion that he may have planned to do something that required more bullets than one, yes.

That is a very good way to start a conversation or argument over our American gun culture and our unnecessary lack of firearm regulation.

It does not confirm or support the argument in favor of a police state. Search and seizure rights are integral to the foundation of a free society. What you believe is good for the goose will eventually be good for the gander, and then it will be too late.

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 22, 2014 at 2:43 PM

Re: “Why did Denzel Curnell have four extra rounds?

Really??!! "It doesn't matter what Denzell planned on doing with the gun". U r a fucking joke Hair!

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Posted by FairGains on July 22, 2014 at 2:16 PM

Re: “Denzel Curnell face down, gun underneath him according to EMS

I really don't know much about the Benghazi disaster (when your ambassador is killed in your embassy, it can't be described as anything but), it sounds very complex. However this situation is pretty simple and clear and has supporting forensic evidence.

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Posted by Cid95 on July 20, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Re: “Denzel Curnell face down, gun underneath him according to EMS

I like how the official story is taken as Gospel when it's about a poor black kid's death but when it suits the narrative to suggest otherwise, it's all BENGHAZI for certain motherfuckers.

Posted by mat catastrophe on July 20, 2014 at 10:19 AM

Re: “Denzel Curnell face down, gun underneath him according to EMS

It did. He also had additional unfired cartridges loose in his pocket(s), according to the full report.

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Posted by Cid95 on July 20, 2014 at 5:49 AM

Re: “Denzel Curnell face down, gun underneath him according to EMS

I didn't get that part either, shot36.

I guess the full report will clarify, these are only small excerpts.

Posted by Cid95 on July 19, 2014 at 9:32 AM

Re: “Denzel Curnell face down, gun underneath him according to EMS

A shell casing is what's left after the bullet is fired and an unspent round is unfired. An armscor 206 .38 special is a revolver so the casing stays in the cylinder after being fired. It has to be ejected by hand.

Posted by shot36 on July 19, 2014 at 5:09 AM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

SLED may have determined it was proper detainment but a decent lawyer could easily have had a good time with it in court, assuming the kid had lived. SLED isn't a judge and it isn't a jury... it's other police, saying one of their own did the right thing.

That being said, I'm not so much taking issue with how the officer felt in terms of a risk to himself. I have no choice but to take his word for it, but I'm not trying to say that he wasn't afraid. My issue is WHY he felt a risk to himself. I don't see anything in his own report that would suggest that his actions were even remotely appropriate for the situation. His fear and his cause for instigating a violent conflict with a citizen observably breaking no laws, instead of trying any other option, appear to be borne more from stereotype than from legitimate probable cause. He almost literally says, "he looked at me funny" as his rationale for pointing a gun at him, for crying out loud.

Yes, his suspicion that he had contraband was correct - but there was no way to know until he assaulted the kid (who was otherwise doing nothing illegal or wrong), making that an irrelevant fact to the complaint people are raising.

The issue isn't that the kid had something he shouldn't have had, it's how the police found it. There are supposed to be rules for this and these stop and frisk policies seem to be stepping over that line with impunity. We hear about Curnell cause of the tragedy, but what about all of the other kids the police are wrong about who don't shoot themselves?

Posted by HappyPessimist on July 19, 2014 at 3:43 AM

Re: “Denzel Curnell face down, gun underneath him according to EMS

You're about one sick fuck, FG.

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on July 18, 2014 at 11:03 PM

Re: “Denzel Curnell face down, gun underneath him according to EMS

I blame ObamaCare.

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Posted by FairGayme on July 18, 2014 at 9:43 PM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

If it was a legal detainment or not might have been a defense strategy. SLED determined it was proper detainment. The primary point is that he was reportedly carrying an illegal firearm. If not for that he would not have been charged with any crime. Not only is it the only reason he is dead, by using the gun, but also the only reason he would have been facing criminal charges. That is also the most plausible motivation for committing suicide. If it was a legal gun he also wouldn't have faced charges and probably wouldn't have used it to take his own life. In general police don't handcuff someone unless they think there is a real risk to them or someone else. These aren't the techniques used by corrupt or abusive cops. Once again a very tragic ending to a young person's life.

Posted by John Cecil on July 18, 2014 at 5:50 PM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

Oh wait, I think I see your point. Sorry if that came across as overly dismissive.

Because the point is not whether or not his suspicions were correct, it's the borderline illegal way in which he went about confirming them.

There are rules as far as evidence collection goes, and anything collected in an unlawful search (such as one that was not willingly submitted to, without a warrant, and without probable cause) wouldn't be admissible in court.

Posted by HappyPessimist on July 18, 2014 at 4:47 PM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

Because he can't be charged for the crime due to his death.

Posted by HappyPessimist on July 18, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

I'm still perplexed why the media has dismissed the significance of being in illegal possession of a firearm? My question was dismissed earlier, but wouldn't he have faced criminal charges for illegal possession of a firearm? And wouldn't the prospect of criminal charges be a more plausible motivation for suicide, as a lot of people are placed on suicide watch after they get arrested?

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Posted by John Cecil on July 18, 2014 at 4:25 PM
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