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Re: “Why don't we call white extremists terrorists?

Atrocities by whites are on the furthest end of a continuum which begins at its least violent with racism in textbooks, continues with the systematic racism of discrimination in employment (including employment compensation, "minimum wage jobs," in other words), through racism in arbitrary stops and arrests by police, higher incarceration rates of minorities, and on to the use of violent police tactics on protesters, and finally the brutality of the Klan and other racists. The latter is part of a SYSTEMATIC form of racist brutality which has been going on since the first African was brought in chains to these shores.
This continuum is subtle in that there is not hiatus between one form of racism and the next, so that in effect, it is hard to say where terrorism really begins, if by "terrorism" you mean the commonly accepted definition of the use of fear to achieve political ends. In practice, though, ALL of these forms reinforce each other, and so focussing a single incident and labeling it terrorism is difficult to do. Especially if your myopia makes it impossible to focus.

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Posted by Romi Elnagar on February 16, 2017 at 7:55 PM

Re: “Why don't we call white extremists terrorists?

I suppose you were silent when Obama labeled Nidal Hanson's killing a work place shooting instead of terrorism. Just because the left forgets doesn't mean everybody dies.

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Posted by Showmoor on February 16, 2017 at 8:04 AM

Re: “Why don't we call white extremists terrorists?

@jadenova. What would make me happy, is if we labeled all white terrorists, TERRORISTS. Labeling all white people terrorists was not what the article conveyed at all, so I invite you to go back and reread and pay attention to the whole article before you make assumptions. If we were making assumptions, your comment seems to scream you are a white supremacist (given your highly white-defensive comment) and I know you don't want to come off like that. It's very important to absorb and comprehend ALL of the facts, which is something we cannot count on with Faux News Entertainment in the loop.

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Posted by tupper29406 on February 16, 2017 at 7:48 AM

Re: “Why don't we call white extremists terrorists?

Somehow, despite the fact that I'm white, male, and Christian I didn't feel any slight at reading Ms. Parks' denunciation of violent extremists. Probably because I also abhor their actions, feel no kinship with them, believe their "cause" is garbage, and don't feel that impugning the bad actors of my race reflects poorly on my race. Much to the contrary: calling out the other white Americans that seek to use violence and political advantage to harm non-white Americans (and Canadians since it came up) is important for we, the non-violent, non-white-supremacists to do.

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Posted by factoryconnection on February 15, 2017 at 4:22 PM

Re: “Why don't we call white extremists terrorists?

Would that make you happy if we labeled all white people terrorists? Would you like to be labeled a terrorist?

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Posted by jadenova on February 15, 2017 at 1:12 PM

Re: “Why don't we call white extremists terrorists?

Responsible for Equality And Liberty calls White Supremacism terrorist attacks as "terrorism" and we have for years. Unlike too many others, R.E.A.L. has constantly referred to Dylann Roof's attack on Emanuel A.M.E. as the "terrorist" attack that it was. However, of the 85 notable terrorist plots and/or attacks against Americans on U.S. soil over the past 8 years, the White Supremacist terrorist plots and attacks are a significant minority. That is not bias; those are facts. To label every attack by a white person of an extremist ideology as white supremacist is simply wrong. A very significant number are by Sovereign Citizen Extremists (SCE), which have both white and black adherents (contrary to what some believe); a number of such white terrorist attacks are also Anti-Government Militia, again which have mixed members and a different focus. Because in the United States, there are a significantly larger number of white Americans, there will be not surprisingly a larger number of white extremists, but not all of those extremist follow a cause of white supremacism. R.E.A.L. stands ready every day to challenge any extremist ideology which inspires terrorism, whether it is white supremacism or any other ideology. But while our country has been fighting a "war of ideas" against white supremacism at least since the 1960s (and many would say since the 1860s), we have not been doing so on other extremist ideologies. We need to be consistent in fighting extremism. To be specific, out of a list of 85 notable plots and/or attacks over the past 8 years, R.E.A.L. notes that 21 plots and/or attacks (25 percent) were performed by "white" Americans, but of these 21 plots and/or attacks - only 13 were actually white supremacist, Nazi, or "Anti-Muslim" extremist in nature (to be broad as possible), which makes them actually represent only 15 percent of such plots/attacks. 75 percent of the plots and/or attacks were radical Islamist based. White Americans represent 63 percent or nearly 200 million Americans, whereas Muslims represent about 1 percent or nearly 3.3 million Americans. We absolutely must focus and denounce all extremist groups, but clearly the actual statistics show a significantly greater historical threat over the past 8 years from some extremists over others. Below is the list of 21 plots/attacks by "white Americans" over the past 8 years.
1. 2009 Maine - Dirty bomb parts found in slain man's home - James Cummings (white supremacist, Nazi)
2. 2009 United States Holocaust Memorial Museum attack: James Von Brunn U.S. citizen (white supremacist/Nazi)
3. 2010 Austin IRS attack: Joe Stack U.S. citizen (extremist)
4. 2010 Pentagon attack: John Patrick Bedell U.S. citizen (extremist)
5. 2010 West Memphis attack on police: Jerry and Joseph Kane- U.S. citizens (Sovereign Citizen Extremist SCE movement)
6. 2010 Florida - pipe-bomb attack outside Islamic Center in Jacksonville - suspect Sandlin Matthews Smith shot dead in Oklahoma (Anti-Muslim Extremist)
7. 2012 Wisconsin Sikh temple attack: Wade Page U.S. citizen (white supremacist/Nazi)
8. 2011 Washington Spokane - terrorist bomb plot on Martin Luther King Jr. Day Unity March - Kevin William Harpham (Nazi white supremacist)
9. 2012 FEAR militia plots in Georgia and Washington State, murder of 2: Michael Burnett, Anthony Peden, Christopher Salmon, Isaac Aguigui U.S. citizen (militia extremists)
10. 2013 Los Angeles International Airport attack: Paul Anthony Ciancia U.S. citizen (NWO extremist)
11. 2014 Overland Park Jewish Community Center attack: Frazier Glenn Miller, Jr. U.S. citizen (white supremacist/Nazi)
12. 2015 Charleston church attack: Dylann Roof U.S. citizen (white supremacist)
13. 2015 New York - threats to attack "Islamberg" mosque in Hancock - Robert Doggart, U.S. citizen (radical anti-Muslim extremist)
14. 2015 Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting Robert L. Dear U.S. citizen (radical anti-abortion)
15. 2015 Lafayette Louisana attack - movie theater attack by John Russell House, U.S. citizen (Nazi, white supremacist)
16. 2015 Minnesota - Minneapolis shooting attack on BLM protest 4th precinct - Allen Scarsella, Joseph Martin Backman, Nathan Wayne Gustavsson,and Daniel Thomas Macey - U.S. citizens (charged with riots, assault, no fatal injuries) (white supremacist)
17. 2015 New York - Rochester - bomb maker leg injured while making bomb - Michael O'Neill, U.S. citizen (white supremacist, Nazi)
18. 2015 California threat against Richmond mosque - William Celli - U.S. citizen (radical anti-Muslim extremist)
19. 2015 California mosque firebombing attack Carl James Dial Jr. U.S. citizen (radical anti-Muslim extremist)
20. 2016 Oregon Malheur refuge federal building takeover leader Ammon Bundy total of 27 U.S. citizens 1 killed, 12 pleaded guilty, 7 (including leaders acquitted) (Sovereign Citizen Extremists SCE)
21. 2016 Kansas apartment and mosque anti-Muslim terror plot Patrick Stein, Gavin Wright, Curtis Allen U.S. citizens (radical anti-Muslim extremists)

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Posted by Jeffrey Imm on February 15, 2017 at 11:01 AM

Re: “Why don't we call white extremists terrorists?

" "good things" came from the the terrorist attack on Emanuel AME ". Small price to pay to remove flag? That's as insulting as it gets and Duffy should not be using terrorist attacks in that manner! Duffy is a bigot. Any mass killing IS a terrorist attack, period. Alternative facts is the new catch phrase for the GOP led White House.

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Posted by tupper29406 on February 15, 2017 at 8:13 AM

Re: “A letter from an Iranian American to Charleston

Ron doesn't give a flip about America. He would love to see America completely dissolve as long as he can still anonymously troll

Posted by Randall Floyd on February 14, 2017 at 10:08 AM

Re: “A letter from an Iranian American to Charleston

@Delana - why does he describe himself as half-Iranian, half-Latino instead of 100% pure-beef American? Because 100% pure-beef Americans in general don't let him forget it. "Immigrants are ruining this country. Muslims are ruining this country. Latinos are ruining this country. Sharia law! Jobs! Illegals!"
"Hey, I'm an immigrant, and a Muslim, and a Latino..."
"WHY WON'T YOU JUST ACCEPT BEING AN AMERICAN."

Put yourself in someone else's shoes. It isn't that hard.

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Posted by factoryconnection on February 10, 2017 at 9:50 AM

Re: “A letter from an Iranian American to Charleston

"Since when did loving your country & being patriotic become so taboo"

There is nothing wrong with loving your country. There is a huge problem with being blind to its faults. The people who created this country were pretty clear on their thoughts regarding fear being used to strip away freedoms. And they established a very intricate system of checks and balances to make sure rights were preserved.

Our current administration seems to have no interest in, or doesn't understand that. Trump wants to rule by decree and try to silence and intimidate anyone who tells him no. We aren't even 100 days into the administration and how many things have already been proven that Trump and his advisers have lied about? They are constantly using fear and misinformation so people will easily surrender the rights you claim to love. That is not freedom. That is nothing to love or be patriotic about.

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Posted by Ron Liberte on February 10, 2017 at 8:04 AM

Re: “A letter from an Iranian American to Charleston

It's one thing to be anti-Trump, it's another to try to appropriate the Charleston church shooting for your own political gain. Too soon, an ad hominem attack, and frankly disgusting

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Posted by swampfox on February 10, 2017 at 12:39 AM

Re: “A letter from an Iranian American to Charleston

Delana, many Americans who came here from other countries or whose parent's came here from other countries have died to protect our freedom.

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Posted by NerdHerd78 on February 9, 2017 at 8:57 PM

Re: “A letter from an Iranian American to Charleston

Just to be clear, the ban is on LEGAL immigrant RESIDENTS - Visa and initially, Green Card holders - illegals sneak in, but not on a plane. The enhanced vetting put in place since 9/11, is so thorough, it takes 18 to 24+ months to complete. So far it has been completely effective because since 9/11, there have been "zero" terrorist attacks on American soil by any illegal immigrant, Visa or Green Card holder. All have been perpetrated by US citizens.....ALL. And, the recent attack on a mosque in Canada was committed by a non-Muslim with nationalist leanings and proclaimed support of Trump and his ideals on his social media accounts. I am a descendant of immigrants that invaded these lands in the 1600s and displaced the ONLY non-immigrants - Native Americans.

And no terrorism has been handed down on American soil from citizens of any of the seven countries. Fear created to manipulate and control, which is certainly not democracy.

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Posted by tupper29406 on February 9, 2017 at 8:47 PM

Re: “A letter from an Iranian American to Charleston

I'm glad I'm not the only one that just doesn't get the whole part Iranian, part this , part that..... I suppose we could all trace back our heritage to show we're part this & that! We live in this great country & enjoy our freedoms because AMERICANS DIED to give us thESE LUXURIES. Since when did loving your country & being patriotic become so taboo?

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Posted by Delana Brewer Drye on February 9, 2017 at 7:58 PM

Re: “A letter from an Iranian American to Charleston

NerdHerd, first, thank you for your response. I mean no personal insults to anyone on this blog. I respect your opinions and offer my own, nothing more.

I feel what you really want here is non-dissenting dialog where we all sit and congratulate ourselves on our single mindedness. That's not going to happen. Without dissent, we fail to understand the opposing perspective. My statement, in retrospect, probably was not the best way to get my point across, and I can conceded that. Your rebuttal allows me to learn and to better present my opposing view in a less confrontational manner, which I will continue to strive toward. I do read opposing comments from others respectfully, and am, on occasion, swayed in some of my own thinking.

I attempt to present the opposite side of the general opinion here, in the hope that not everyone gets the idea the entire world feels the same as they do. City Paper may ban me, that is their prerogative, but you will not. Feel free to hit that report button if you have not already done so, but please, until I am banned, keep on coming back at me. I am an adult and can take it, and I appreciate the dialog, for or against, as I too will learn that not all think as I do.

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Posted by Jshicke on February 9, 2017 at 7:44 PM

Re: “A letter from an Iranian American to Charleston

Jeffrey Hickerson, you stated "I agree, we should let all immigrants and refugees continue to come here. Perhaps then one WILL bomb a bunch of liberals and , FINALLY, they will get the point."

How many conservatives died at the Orlando gay club mass shooting? I'm guess not many.

You're literally wishing harm upon your fellow Americans who disagree with you just to prove a point. There's no room for your hate here.

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Posted by NerdHerd78 on February 9, 2017 at 4:25 PM

Re: “A letter from an Iranian American to Charleston

Ron, it means that your freedom to sit during the National Anthem or to not recite the pledge of allegiance was won by those who stand for the national anthem and recited the pledge of allegiance. If no one cared about America and her freedoms, none of us would be free. We would be communist, or fascist, and then they would tell you what you can and cannot do, and arrest you if you feel differently. So I stand and recite the pledge.

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Posted by Jshicke on February 9, 2017 at 11:10 AM

Re: “A letter from an Iranian American to Charleston

Yet, banning Middle Easterners makes us feel safer. I suppose that depends on who is "us."

First of all this is BS, it's a pause until better vetting procedures are in place from 7 countries.

Second, give me the number of "immigrants" we MUST accept to no longer be considered racist or any other label you like to use.

Third, because you are a nice guy that doesn't mean the millions of other Muslims coming to this country have the same intent as you do.

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Posted by Bucko Scribner on February 9, 2017 at 9:42 AM

Re: “A letter from an Iranian American to Charleston

Such a uniformity of response over the years: Why are you still "Iranian?" Why are you "African-American?" Why are you "Muslim-American?" Why are you "Latino American?" I'm just an American, why don't you just be an American?

The implicit message: "you stupid minorities keep putting yourselves in these boxes. Why don't you just be like us white, Christian, Protestant, European-descent people and cool out? It certainly isn't society that puts people in these categories and treats them as varying levels of threat based on their holy book, skin tone, musical preference. Certainly not!"

For all you folks telling this American citizen to GTFO: why aren't you calling INS now? You'd support his deportation if he flew to visit his family in Iran, why wait? After all, he could be concealing enemies in his backpack or jacket pocket. No, this fear isn't irrational, why do you ask?

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Posted by factoryconnection on February 9, 2017 at 9:24 AM

Re: “A letter from an Iranian American to Charleston

"Until enough of them 'Don't want to' and then the country is no longer free. You get to swear fealty to Chairman Mao, or 'Lil Kim' of North Korea. If people do not wish to 'swear fealty' to their country, they will not defend it, and when they will not defend it, you simply hand it off to those who will fight to take it"

Can someone translate this for me? I'm not fluent in incoherent.

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Posted by Ron Liberte on February 8, 2017 at 11:27 PM
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