You beer geeks are as insufferable as Civil War re-encactors.
Timmons is the preeminent beer writer in town. He's also an extremely busy man, and we're grateful for his contributions.
And just so you know, this wasn't the "craft beer" issue. It was the beer issue. And maybe you know this and maybe you don't, but a shit ton of people want to drink bud and coors and the like ... and in a frosty mug no less.
Lighten up, Francis.
Morgan Creek? Really? I thought this was the beer issue. I love Morgan Creek for a place to grab a quick bite before hitting the water. It is also a great place for oysters in the winter. But it is not a place to enjoy beer, with or without kids. Poor craft selection and mainly tailors to the bud/coors drinkers. It is interesting that this beer issue only utilizes one of your actual beer writers. Slacking, CCP!
First of all, factoryconnection - that's fantastic. Would love to know where you play. I'd have that tip in hand. (Well, maybe when the younger of the two gets out of the public embarrassment everywhere phase) Even though I hate that godforsaken song.
Second, I think it's really important to know your kids and what phases they're in at the time - and be honest with yourself about how well they can handle it and which places - even IF kid friendly - are going to work for YOUR kid at the time. I think most people don't mind kids dancing to music or eating without screaming in a restaurant before about 7-8 pm. But let's face it, that's just not going to happen every time for every kid. My toddler hit the terrible twos early, and family friendly or not, you won't find me anywhere with kids in tow right now that doesn't have a dollar menu, unless it's a deserted restaurant a bit after lunchtime (and I'll be tipping very well).
Have a backup plan and be prepared to leave if the kids get salty. Ask for your food to go and eat it in the car. It sucks, but that's just parenting. You can have your revenge when they go off to college and you text them endless pictures of the great food you're eating and places you're going with, "Glad you're not here! Love, The Parents"
I've walked out of bars because they had children in them- at 11:30 no less- and I will do so again.
So glad to see these two breweries up and running! As is evident from places like Portland, San Diego and Denver (note: all great cities), there is plenty of room for many more breweries.
Saying kids should not be in restaurants that serve alcohol is ludicrous. Practically all sit down restaurants serve at least beer and wine. Even Chuck-E-Cheeses that is unarguably geared toward to children serves beer (listed on their online menu if you don't believe me). Society is made up of people of all ages and you are just going to have to deal with that if you want to go out in public. I am not saying that there aren't places where children don't belong but I think your expectations are totally unrealistic. (And P.S. - even parents can use designated drivers)
But that being said, I'm going to stick with what little principles that I have and state this as my opinion:
1. Children should never be in any establishment that serves alcohol.
2. Children should never be in a vehicle with a driver who has been drinking at all.
I'm not much on more laws, but if these don't exist they need to be passed.
I did not use the word "Restaurant", factory, but I do see your point that the line between them and bars can be blurred.
And yes, I do hold drivers with children in their cars to a higher standard than others.
Another suggestion for fall beers is the Lazy Magnolia Pecan. At some point Holy City made an awesome pecan beer in the fall but I'm not sure if they still do.
Trollslayer: every bar around here is a restaurant, and every restaurant is a bar. It is cute if you're saying "no kids in restaurants," but really... come on. Also: if one drink is too much to drive, then what is anyone doing in bars other than those within walking distance? A whole lotta full parking lots belie the fault in your argument.
Kids sitting at the bar specifically, though? Yeah I can see how that is too far.
I am in Spain all month. EVERYBODY brings their multiple kids and multiple dogs everywhere. Bars, cafes, restaurants, tapas. Lots of wine and beer. It's actually seems perfectly okay to me and this is very acceptable in all of Europe. Of course they are all walking, unlike the majority of fatass Americans who have to drive everywhere. DSS would have a field day in Madrid and Barcelona. Guess what? Some kids still catch a swat on the ass when acting up in public in Spain. Gasp! The horror! Guess thats why I do not even really notice them here, they behave.
5/6 ain't bad, I guess. I don't really love pumpkin beers in the first place, so I wasn't going into the Pumpkick expecting much anyway, but I was surprised I didn't hate it. Thx for the feedback.
"How and where to imbibe with your kids in tow "
Surely I'm not the only one who has a problem with this.
So you are going to drink and then drive your children home?
You deserve to be arrested and have DSS take your children if you do that.
Children do not belong in bars, PERIOD, and anyone who shows up at a bar with children needs to be turned back at the door.
I thought I had seen every sick columnist that the CCP has but this one takes the cake.
Pumpkick is awful. The rest I am on board with. I love a lot of New Belgium beers, but Pumpkick belongs in the junk pile.
But several times in the past month I have left more than one bar because of children sitting at the bar. Not only is it illegal (I'm pretty sure) so I don't know why the managers allow it anyway, but single people don't want to sit at a table for four in a mass of screaming kids running around. I want to sit at the bar and unwind from my 12 hour shift in peace. So as much as your kids are enjoying watching football and having Shirley Temples please head to the back of the restaurant or just stay home.
As someone that has played in a number of bands that do happy-hour shows, I've always appreciated having kids around. Those mofos are ready to dance like they just don't care while all the "party animals" are still too sober/terrified to even bob their heads. Rock on, little tykes. If mom has the right tip in hand, I'll even sing "Let it Go" for you.
As a parent, most of the advice in this article is solid: keep the kids out of adult stuff: fancy/smoky/gnarly/bawdy/romantic places and get them in bed before night. Your kids don't want to be there for party time. Kids aren't classy, so don't force them to be. And they should NEVER, EVER, EVER be running around or raising their voices any louder than the adults at the next table.
In your own house away from people who do not want to be bothered by your annoying children. Or, get a babysitter. If you can afford to go out and drink, you can afford hired help for a few hours.
The Barrel on JI near Folly.
And remember everyone:
Every extra person who bikes, takes a car out of traffic and out of valuable street parking.
That said, try to make them feel safe by avoiding passing them in a narrow lane and everything else you can think of :)
More tips n' laws:
** Your bike WILL BE CONFISCATED by the City if you park on anything but a corral on KING STREET between Calhoun and Spring. Don't expect a note -- if your bike is parked illegally and disappears, grab $40 cash and head to the police station on Lockwood. And be ready to buy a new lock.
** DON'T TEXT on your bike -- it's illegal, you can be ticketed.
** Helmets aren't mandatory, just a good idea. Find one you like and give it a try.
** And to reiterate, USE LIGHTS on your bike -- white on the front, red on the back. You can be ticketed and fined if you're seen biking without them at night.
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