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Re: “Walter Scott's death is proof the system doesn't work

Excellent article. People of privilege rarely realize the extent of their privilege. And those without privilege live with chronic deprivation and fear.

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Posted by JAVSimson on April 16, 2015 at 5:22 PM

Re: “Charleston police finalize body camera policy

"Officers ranked sergeant and below to start wearing VIEVU LE3 cameras in May"

So lieutenants will still be able to murder innocent people, then?

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Posted by Pronghorn on April 16, 2015 at 5:22 PM

Re: “#SouthofBroadLivesMatter

I think it's deplorable that they evicted the remaining pillar of affordable housing south of Calhoun.

Having said that, as angry as I am at the Beach Company I think I hate the SOBers more.

If Beach Co. really wanted to fuck with them, he would turn the whole plot into a 20-story One80 Place. GO GET EM.

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Posted by leemajors on April 16, 2015 at 4:16 PM

Re: “S.C. lawmaker introducing bill to protect LGBT customers

Perhaps you're right, Driver Eight, maybe I should take a break.

But even if I can't convince folks that troll this site it doesn't mean that a logical argument won't convince others that aren't so hard over on it, or spur a reasonable conversation. I wasn't always in favor of gay marriage because I'd never really given it much thought. I read well-conceived arguments in support of it and I was sold. The guy that filed the discrimination claim against Azucar bakery for refusing to make a "God Hates Fags" cake represents a portion of the population that doesn't get the difference, but perhaps could be brought around. After all, it seemed not only like a "turnabout is fair play" idea on paper, but enough to take it to court and lose.

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Posted by factoryconnection on April 16, 2015 at 3:46 PM

Re: “S.C. lawmaker introducing bill to protect LGBT customers

That's a good explanation. In summary:

If you normally sell the product or service, you have to sell it to anyone that wants to buy it.
Ex - If you are a barber that does mohawks, you have to give a mohawk to any customer that asks, no denial.

You do not have to sell non-products or non-services to anyone, as long as you are consistent in not offering that product or service.
Ex - You do mohawks, but never flattops. I want a flattop, and you can deny me since it's not a service you offer to anyone.

In the hypothetical gay wedding catering scenario, if they were asked to make a pizza in the shape of a big cock so the grooms could eat it, they wouldn't have to. Jewish bakers wouldn't have to make a swastika care. Muslim florists wouldn't have to make an arrangement in the likeness of Mohammed. And so on.

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Posted by Cid95 on April 16, 2015 at 3:32 PM

Re: “S.C. lawmaker introducing bill to protect LGBT customers

Factory, you can explain the difference between the product and the customer until you're blue in the face, and the likes of Native and Nofaith will continue asking that same question over and over.

It's either willful ignorance... or astonishing ignorance.

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Posted by driver eight on April 16, 2015 at 1:46 PM

Re: “The Agenda: 4.2M SC license plates to be replaced; Sanford plan would cut public transit; Court to hear church case

"The State Supreme Court announced on Wednesday that it will hear a lawsuit over a split in the Episcopal Church involving more than $500 million in church real estate."

If taxes had to be paid on that $500 million in real estate, it would certainly help fix a lot of problems in this state. And that's only one denomination. Churches need to be taxed. It's time. Render unto Caesar and all that.

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Posted by Ron Liberte on April 16, 2015 at 11:49 AM

Re: “Neither justice nor changes guaranteed despite video

I agree- Pronghorn for city council!

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Posted by Ron Liberte on April 16, 2015 at 11:35 AM

Re: “Walter Scott's death is proof the system doesn't work

When a person in authority... ie police, fire, teacher ask you to follow a directive- you better!

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Posted by Jojojo on April 16, 2015 at 9:52 AM

Re: “Bridge shutdown protest fails to materialize

Tell the fools to go protest in NORTH Charleston...LOL

Posted by Jojojo on April 16, 2015 at 9:42 AM

Re: “S.C. lawmaker introducing bill to protect LGBT customers

Car repairs are now a "Closely-held" religious belief.
Via the Grand Rapids NBC affiliate:
The owner of a Grandville auto repair shop says he won’t hesitate “to refuse service to an openly gay person or persons.” Brian Klawiter, the owner of Dieseltec on Ottawa Avenue in Grandville, posted the statement to his company’s Facebook page on Tuesday because he says the voices of those who have Christian, conservative values are often overshadowed by those who do not. “I want to have a voice about this,” Klawiter told 24 Hour News 8 Wednesday. “I want to be heard about this. It’s challenging to decide to say I’m on the opposing side of what’s seen as the popular view.” The line that’s drawing the most conversation is the one that addresses “openly gay” individuals. “I would not hesitate to refuse service to an openly gay person or persons. Homosexuality is wrong, period,” Klawiter wrote. “If you want to argue this fact with me then I will put your vehicle together with all bolts and no nuts and you can see how that works.”

Sounds like a veiled threat that he wants to put a gay owners car together wrong so they will possibly perish in an accident.

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Posted by tupper29406 on April 16, 2015 at 9:02 AM

Re: “S.C. lawmaker introducing bill to protect LGBT customers

Let's ask the Muslim baker to bake a cake that says, "Muhammad is Evil and Only Our Christian God Reigns Supreme - Hallelujah - Praise the Lord God Almighty!" Bet they won't do it. And they would be within their legals rights to do so because they would not bake a cake with that message for anyone requesting the cake, whatever their faith or lack of faith may be. With that said, it's not right for a for-profit business to pick and choose their customers for all kinds of humane reasons but if they do, I want to know where not to spend my hard-earned cash. I wish not to have part of my contributions to a business go toward fighting against my human rights. To do so would be hypocritical. That is why any business that pushes a religious agenda (Chik-Fil-A, Hobby Lobby, Cracker Barrel, etc.) will never see a penny of mine. And churches are on that list too for similar reasons. Business profits are given to anti-gay rights organizations and politicos (to legislate discrimination) and the same thing happens to part of the money donated to the coffers of churches. My donations to non-profits go to institutions that help EVERYONE and not just the righteous. If you are actively fighting against LGBT HUMAN rights and dignity, then you are off my list, period. And, I will add that any networks that push a religious agenda (A&E and affiliates) with debasing programming are, too, off my list.

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Posted by tupper29406 on April 16, 2015 at 8:57 AM

Re: “S.C. lawmaker introducing bill to protect LGBT customers

If you'll sell your widget to customer A but not the same widget to customer B because, you claim, your religion forbids it, then you're discriminating against customer B. The baker that will make a three-tiered, buttercream-frosted spice cake with piped-on pearling and fleurs-de-lis for me and my wife but not Adam and Steve is discriminating against people, not protecting their religious practices.

If customer A asks for a special widget and you won't sell it to him or customer B or anyone else because of your religious beliefs, then you're exercising the protections intended in the original RFRA. The baker that was asked to make a bible cake with "God Hates Fags" written on it would not have made a "God Hates ____" cake for anyone. No discrimination against a subset of customers.

Native76: no Muslim baker would make an image of Mohammad for anyone, period. Just like a Christian baker probably wouldn't make an image of "Piss Christ" for anyone. Discrimination against customers is the problem, not products.

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Posted by factoryconnection on April 16, 2015 at 8:56 AM

Re: “S.C. lawmaker introducing bill to protect LGBT customers

So who is going to go ask the Muslim bakery to make the cake with a picture of Mohammad on it? Or are you just against Christians abiding by their religion?

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Posted by Native76 on April 16, 2015 at 7:58 AM

Re: “Study found racial disparities in North Charleston city hiring

Cid95, how about we loosen the requirements for the job that way more people can get the job.

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Posted by Neil Carter on April 16, 2015 at 6:15 AM

Re: “Neither justice nor changes guaranteed despite video

"Dwayne for city council"

As a famous, internationally known campaign advisor, I would strongly advise against Dwayne running for any office until he eschews the image and mentality that led him to get the vanity plate that adorns his S.U.V.; it's an opposition research team's dream.

You know I'm right, Dwayne. You do–so let's get whatever you're going to run for over with so you can focus more on being Dwayne Green, Esq.

Charleston's best ambulance chaser: "Murder charges were swiftly brought against him, he was fired from his job, and his lawyer dropped him like a hot rock." There's a reason David Aylor "dropped" him: he knew he was in over his head once the excruciatingly damning video evidence thankfully surfaced. Plus, as you know very well, he's a badass lawyer, Dwayne. Andy Savage is the only lawyer in the state who has the competence to take on this case. You'd never see that man rocking your plate on his car; he's too professional. It's an attitude that's taken him to the top. With more experience, Aylor will be there too by the time he gets to be around Savage's age. You'll still be the kind of lawyer that tells people he's an "attorney" when they ask the ever-obnoxious "What do you do?" question that you so love to field. You're not comfortable with with the L-Word. I bet you check into hotels as "Dwayne Green, Esquire".

Now, either go scrape enough neck-brace-case money together for a billboard on I-26, or try writing better columns that offer solutions.

By the way: is Charleston's homeless population still ruining your life? My thoughts have been with you during this trying time of open panhandling. Maybe you could cobble a lawsuit together to get rid of poor people; then you could run on that platform and you'd probably have a puncher's chance to win in this politically crazy town–with the added bonus of keeping your license plate.

You think you're getting a great deal for free exposure by writing these City Paper columns, but you're dead wrong because your writing and lack of ideas leave a heap to be desired.

You're a walking overruled objection.

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Posted by Pronghorn on April 15, 2015 at 11:46 PM

Re: “Student housing gets swanky with 930 NoMo

Hmmm….I was looking at it for my student and the comments here do give credence to my worries. I also have to say, reading the bit about the counter tops here versus Georgia Southern seems like a big dig to us Georgia southerners. I guess all folks who go to Georgia
southern are not refined enough to appreciate granite counters.
Amazing, he thought is was ok to say that.
It really would be nice to know what the plans are for safety.

Posted by Sarah Phillips on April 15, 2015 at 10:58 PM

Re: “Neither justice nor changes guaranteed despite video

I agree- Dwayne for city council!

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Posted by Ted Fienning on April 15, 2015 at 10:04 PM

Re: “Neither justice nor changes guaranteed despite video

Ugh, I don't know which City Paper opinion piece to respond to because you all say the same thing. So, I've chosen your column Dwayne but this is directed at all of you. Is there not an original thought among you or is the city to suffer endless platitudes about the system being "broken" and the "mistrust and racial tension" in the black community and the protest being "democracy" and the desperate need for "change". Of course, there is never any solution offered to help solve any of these problems. Only tired observations.

The message we need to be sending is that the city needs community participation in order to change. You can't change the system by importing astro-turf groups to make indignant speeches. You change the system by running for local office or becoming a police officer or SERVING your community in some way. You change the system from inside. Standing on the outside and demanding change is not democracy. Getting elected in order to enact change is democracy. And you don't get elected by intentionally stopping traffic and pissing everyone off.

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Posted by Fish Pimp on April 15, 2015 at 7:19 PM

Re: “Walter Scott's death is proof the system doesn't work

I don't think anyone at the City Paper would use the n word.

But I am pretty sure they use the Uncle Tom word and other racially derogatory terms for a black that doesn't agree with their agenda when Tim Scott's name comes up.

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Posted by Cid95 on April 15, 2015 at 6:36 PM
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