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Re: “The Agenda: Could Romney spoil Haley's chances?; Roof hearing remains closed; Clyburn will run for leadership post

Jim Clyburn ought to retire now that both he and the Democrat Party have been discredited.

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Posted by Gunnar on November 19, 2016 at 1:22 PM

Re: “Charleston can lead the country by getting its story straight

The author seems to think that we should scream at each other over the sins of our fathers. Actually, not our fathers, but our father's father's father's fathers. For many years African Americans chose not to think about the past (slavery) as they worked to achieve the American dream. Today there is a higher awareness and pride in the accomplishments of their enslaved forebearers. At the same time, there are others who feel that white southerners should feel that same shame that many African Americans used to feel because of the role of their ancestors in a society with slaves. There are few if any people living today who knew or met anyone alive during the era of slavery. Unlike many cultures that look backward and hate because of atrocities committed centuries before, (see the current Middle East mess), Americans have always moved on and looked forward. Charlestonians have had generations to work out the scab that was slavery. The end result is that today, the descendants of that very culture have created a beautiful city that is the envy of the world. The Charlestonian ethic of civility and kind consideration of others is the glue that makes us one people black and white. Perhaps the author should ask herself why it is that she chose Charleston as her home, and celebrate the city as it is today.

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Posted by bigalsc on November 19, 2016 at 11:18 AM

Re: “Man who published "Hoist it High and Proud" on Confederate flag after Emanuel shooting will be top Trump adviser

Check out this insane footage of the anti Milo Yiannopoulos protest @ DePaul University. MUST WATCH! https://youtu.be/vn-l3C8kn94?list=PLoQTg3myRNTeBbH_wcuw6VEX77ZiFst8H

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Posted by Daniel Duerst on November 19, 2016 at 6:14 AM

Re: “The Agenda: Could Romney spoil Haley's chances?; Roof hearing remains closed; Clyburn will run for leadership post

Where is the evidence that Roof is guilty of anything?

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Posted by Sam Smith on November 18, 2016 at 10:39 PM

Re: “Charleston can lead the country by getting its story straight

Thank you. When I encourage friends to visit Charleston, or when people ask about which tours to go on, I say "here are the ones that tell the truth" and top of the list is McLeod Plantation, part of the county parks. The interpreters there use primary documents and tell the history of all, sharing information about enslaved Africans and descendants after Emancipation. I was on a tour there recently. The whole group of visitors were white, and a white man in the group asked the tour guide if she would have told a different story if there were Black folks there "because some of us are about to cry." She paused and said "no, we tell the same story to everyone. This is the history of all of us."
Folks interested in learning about how Charleston literally whitewashed the past for tourists, and dedicated to doing this, not accidentally, but as a concerted strategy, should read A Golden Haze of Memory.

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Posted by Kat Morgan on November 18, 2016 at 2:17 PM

Re: “Stegelin: Putin's inauguration wishlist

we have so much more to be concerned about the country that OBUMMER just gave $170billon to than any alliances which may be made with Russia to defeat our common enemy fundamental radical islam . remember we were allies in ww2? without that we may have lost the war to the Nazis. wake up,grow up, see the real world,it's call pragmatism. choose !

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Posted by John Byram on November 18, 2016 at 1:38 PM

Re: “Stegelin: Putin's inauguration wishlist

The New York Times (of all places) reported on an FBI investigation of Trump and any Putin / Russian connections prior to the election.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/polit…
NO connections were found.. which means not only is your cartoon not funny (typical) its also based on no truth whatsoever...which only serves to further divide us.

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Posted by artrogue on November 18, 2016 at 9:01 AM

Re: “Charleston can lead the country by getting its story straight

Mr. Bussey,

It's amazing that I can even read your post; your words are so very white.

The goal of any plantation is to make money, and white business in this case most certainly dictates that white visitors are not to be made to feel guilt at any point for the heinous crimes of our forbears. They should be agog, not aghast. Little kid wonder, you know? This is about money, you see - it always has been.

That (always) being the case, I do hope the POC in the employ of all tourist-attraction soft history lessons in the area are receiving top wage and benefits, for working under such a soul-crushing weight as the past and present (and future?) violence meted unto them should be considered just as insidious and horrifying as it was - in the grand scheme of time - so "many" years ago.

In this and so many other ways will any of her wagers be far more founded than your "fact".

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Posted by Gabriel Gotaway on November 18, 2016 at 2:01 AM

Re: “Charleston can lead the country by getting its story straight

You people act as if slavery is an act of Charleston. Historically slavery was predominant among poor Irish, black, and still is worldwide "Although slavery is no longer legal anywhere in the world,[5] human trafficking remains an international problem and an estimated 25-40 million people are living in illegal slavery today" STOP living in the past and please use your resources to help the future and present situations. Just saying

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Posted by K Kennedy DeOgburn on November 17, 2016 at 9:03 PM

Re: “Megan Cronin: Seattle transplant

Hi. My wife and I just moved here from Seattle too!!

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Posted by Michael Johnson 1 on November 17, 2016 at 7:22 PM

Re: “Charleston can lead the country by getting its story straight

Of course the police have shot unarmed people like Zach Hammond in Seneca too, but no attention is paid because he doesn't fit into your narrative.

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Posted by RASPUTIY on November 17, 2016 at 6:07 PM

Re: “Stegelin: Putin's inauguration wishlist

Congrats, a cartoon without cussing. I'm proud of you.

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Posted by Jshicke on November 17, 2016 at 3:19 PM
Posted by Ima Oldman on November 17, 2016 at 1:48 PM

Re: “The Agenda: Haley meeting with Trump team today; Slager defense opens case; Roof competency hearing could be closed

Well, if Nikki wants the job, she had better wear the low-cut short dress and stilettos

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Posted by Ima Oldman on November 17, 2016 at 1:47 PM

Re: “Why we shouldn't be surprised if the Slager jury fails to convict

I am not a law student but...

Double Jeopardy rule would apply. Once someone is found not guilty by a court of law for a particular criminal act, that person cannot be tried again for the same criminal act by the same jurisdictional authority, even if later evidence proves the person's guilt. However, a person can be tried multiple times if there are multiple jurisdictions that have claim to the same act. Such is the case when a person violates both state and federal laws while committing a crime. The person may be found not guilty in a state court, but could be found guilty for the same crime in federal court.

I also believe that in some instances a jury can find you guilty of a lesser crime,if instructed by the judge that such a possibility exists in the case.

"The law to be charged to the jury is determined by the evidence presented
at trial." State v. Hill, 315 S.C. 260, 262, 433 S.E.2d 848, 849 (1993). The trial court is required to charge a jury on a lesser-included offense if there is evidence from which it could be inferred that the defendant committed the lesser, rather than the greater, offense. State v. Drafts, 288 S.C. 30, 340 S.E.2d 784 (1986); see also Dempsey v. State, 363 S.C. 365, 610 S.E.2d 812 (2005); State v. Gourdine, 322 S.C. 396, 472 S.E.2d 241 (1996).

So i guess the answer to your question is..... It depends. The judge can instruct the jury to consider a lesser charge during deliberation, or the attorneys can request that the judge do so.

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Posted by Jshicke on November 17, 2016 at 11:59 AM

Re: “Charleston can lead the country by getting its story straight

I can't believe that we're still having to explain that slavery was evil. A friend of mine said once that if the Disney Channel and the History Channel had a baby it would be Charleston. Sounds like some people are just tuning in to the Disney version. Unreal.

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Posted by Nikki Hardin on November 17, 2016 at 11:55 AM

Re: “Charleston can lead the country by getting its story straight

I certainly hope that I'm never in a situation where I have to make a decision of "coddle slavery apologists or lose my job." A lot of people around here have this bizarre fantasy that slavery was not, in fact, a bad thing. Bizarre not in the sense that it wasn't deliberately planted by decades of white supremacists and neo-Confederates, but bizarre in the sense that those people would no doubt also express extreme revulsion at becoming "slaves of the state through taxation" or that they "want what's best for their kids, like all people."

Of course, slaves didn't get to keep their kids if it didn't suit master. Slaves didn't get to keep their families, their identities, nor their cultural roots. They were humans treated as livestock, a free labor pool that allowed the South to cheat in their economy until the gravy train was forced to a stop at a cost of 600,000 dead Americans plus untold wounded. The Confederacy formed to protect the institution of slavery, as documented in the many articles of secession and enshrined in the Confederate Constitution. We didn't invent slavery, of course not... it was all over the bible as something the bad guys did. But we adopted it like a cherished child, and some have never gotten over that loss.

Those people are bad people. Slavery was THAT BAD.

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Posted by factoryconnection on November 17, 2016 at 9:50 AM

Re: “Why we shouldn't be surprised if the Slager jury fails to convict

Isn't it true that the jury could convict Slager of negligent homicide or voluntary manslaughter?

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Posted by Pete 1 on November 17, 2016 at 6:42 AM

Re: “Charleston can lead the country by getting its story straight

Thoughtful piece! Thank you for your well-stated narrative. By way of sharing a recent experience here, I did hear one tour guide in a relatively new establishment introduce her discussion of some "slave quarters" by reaching out to her audience "I don't know what you think about slavery"... Apparently, she had gotten push back from folks defending the institution and was trying to negotiate/tell a story without giving offense.

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Posted by James Liphus Ward on November 16, 2016 at 9:36 PM

Re: “Charleston can lead the country by getting its story straight

As a garden guide at Middleton Place for over 20 years, I am willing to say definitively that no guide referred to an enslaved African as a "servant." We are well trained and frequently updated about any sensitivities in the story of Middleton Place. We take our roles seriously.

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Posted by bebob on November 16, 2016 at 8:43 PM
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