None of which you state disproves that marriage existed in the Old Testament.
One needs to look no further than Christ's response to the pharisees in Matthew 19. In response to a question on divorce, Christ gives a discourse on marriage and divorce and references Gen. 2:24 in regard to marriage, "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh."
The institution of marriage existed from the beginning of the Old Testament.
Wonder if there will ever be a serial rapist pride parade? A deviant behavior pride parade? An adulterers pride parade? a child molesters pride parade? Perhaps and alcoholic and drug users pride parade? How about a blasphemers pride parade or a fornicators pride parade. These people need to come out of the closet least they become neurotic..
Dp4, your clueless. I work there and the company treats people like shit, then pays a megaton of money to make themselves look good. The don't care about people at all. Just money and airplanes. People have died there and nothing changes.
They hire in rejects from fast food places that have no aviation background, pay them shit wages, and then have meetings all Damn day to figure out why shit doesn't work. I've been in this industry 25 years so I have real good idea of what I'm talking about....it's pretty outside and a shit hole inside. Mcnerneys comment is exactly how he feels and it reflects in his managers...
Dp4, your a clueless idiot. I work here and this company treats people like shit. Then pays a fuck tin of money to make themselves look good. Boeing makes the government look efficient. They nothing but a bunch of smoke and mirrors...
Obviously, whoever wrote this article never read my Wicked Charleston books or taken my tour.
I can't believe this article neglected to mention that Harlan Greene wrote "Why We Never Danced the Charleston." I read it after checking it out from the Charleston County Library eons ago (aka the mid-80s). Excellent book. I was a teenaged girl when I read it, so, it was quite eye opening. And soon after, when I was in my 20s and more involved in the downtown scene, I do remember learning there were many more LGBT folks in Charleston than I'd imagined. Some "out," some reeeeeeally "in" (and some still there). To me that part of Charleston was always the most fun... the "what you see is not always what you get" side of the population.
To be fair, Jesus didn't follow the Old Testament either.
Whole point of the Sermon on the Mount (along with pretty much everything else he ever said), both figuratively and literally, was to invalidate all those dictated rules in favor of the personal responsibility of the "do unto others" business. He was tired of people hiding behind an out of context, selfish, or biased interpretation of the Hebrew Bible (or the Old Testament, same thing) to justify behavior clearly founded in hatred or greed. Stop a stoning here, whip money changers there. Of course you wouldn't ever know what he was talking about without having the Old Testament included as well - for context and reference, not for rules and regulations.
Seems like a cruel bit of dramatic irony that the hateful people today who call themselves Christian tend to be the ones most ignorant of his message.
kudo's to you sir
I like turtles. No old testament quoting by anyone as there is nobody in the entire state of SC that ACTUALLY follows the original good book. I mean no barbeque, no fabric blends, no shrimp, no oysters, no Walmart on Sundays and above all no football or football watching rules, it's just not possible here in SC. Forget the no homo rule, thats a minor infraction compared to the watching or playing of the Pigskin Orb. Besides, a true follower of the original good book would never read the blasphemous rag known as the CP.
Hoping for a favorable decision before my partner and I reach 32 years of non-wedded bliss next spring.
freefirezone proving once again that you can troll hard without actually knowing anything about the subject you are trolling. Maybe if you actually researched the topic beyond your own translation of the Old Testament, you would actually know what you are talking about.
Marriage (or unions) predates written history, including the Old Testament.
It is funny when so called Christians take a solid stance on one part of their religion's past, while completely ignoring others.
Can we only use one particular ancient Arab definition of marriage (which, as Mr. Eckert has shown, is not what you think it is) or are other ancient Arab definitions acceptable? Can we use other cultures' ancient definitions of marriage or only Middle Eastern? Does the definition have to be ancient?
If so, why are you using a relatively modern one? A marriage definition that involves two consenting adults entering into a contract for intangible and immaterial reasons (simple love or companionship) does not have a long and storied history as a cultural norm and there is no earthly reason why this pursuit should be denied to people with alternative sexualities.
You may believe in heavenly reasons, but the U.S. Constitution does not. I recommend not getting gay married yourself, and then you'll never, ever, be affected by it in any significant way.
"The reporter was teasing Jim McNerney about his upcoming birthday and there was a definite "tongue in cheek" attitude when she asked her question. He responded in kind. There was no malice or hostility in his response. It was an off-the-cuff remark, self-deprecating and not serious at all. IMHO, he has apologized more than enough."
Thank you tpm843! I guess CEO's aren't supposed to have a sense of humor. Lord knows no one else does!
As Curtis Brown accurately points out, the City is doing some serious sleight of hand here. What was once proposed as an "overlay zone" to place slightly stricter restrictions on new bars/restaurants is now an outright ban....and yet people are saying the F&B people won?!? While the moratorium is "temporary" (at only 1095 days long), how is that any better that what was originally proposed? As residents of this city, are we really ready to say no new restaurants can open in the next 3 years? While I think some changes need to be made in order to improve the quality of life for downtown residents, outright bans are not the answer. I just hope people speak up at both of the upcoming meetings because this new plan is by no means a victory.
It might not be stupid but it is business as usual for the Democratic party in this state... which usually loses.
How many Democrats don't bother voting in South Carolina because it historically skews so red? How many Democrats don't bother voting in South Carolina because we lose with this pandering-to-conservatives bullshit the state party pulls like we see with Sheheen?
I understand the conventional wisdom of low-information "swing" voters and base politics, but give me a break. The conventional wisdom hasn't been winning Democrats many elections, why would it change this time? If Sheheen wins it'll be because Haley is a disaster, not because he "persuaded" anybody with this weak sauce.
As long as the Democratic party in this state thinks in election cycles instead of generational we will never make any progress in creating any substantial policy debate in governance.
How about instead of utilizing a mealy-mouthed strategy based on value-compromising whack-a-mole in an effort to persuade the always small and shrinking pool of "undecided" voters, we get candidates focused on growing a healthy Democratic base? Maybe we'd lose this time and the next, but we need to be building an honest and inspiring foundation. I don't see any value in this short-term sell-out business. That's exactly WHY young voters aren't a factor in these elections. And young voters who are uninspired by lackluster politics don't generally become reliable adult voters.
This is the South. Nobody's going to have a problem fighting a lost cause as long as it's one they can believe in.
freefirezone, the Old Testament Hebrew does not actually have a word for "marry". The phrase was simply "he took a woman" and the way you "took" a woman was by being the first to have sex with her. There was no word for "wife", just the phrase "his" woman", and no word for husband except the same word ba'al used for "owner" of any piece of property or attribute. If another man has sex with "your" woman, that is adultery, a serious crime, but if you have sex with another woman, that just means you "took" another woman. There is a verb "betroth" which refers to a payment to the father for the right to take the daughter later: the law makes it clear that this already creates the property right, so that another man would be an adulterer to have sex with her. If one of your women "no longer is pleasing", you may get rid of her (this is where Jesus criticizes the Old Testament) as long as you make a public record so another man can take her without fear of adultery charge. The only exception is if you took the woman by force: then she's still yours, of course, but you cannot get rid of her, and you still owe the father money.
I was going to go to the game but I think I'll give my tickets away
I've gone back over the past month of comments and none of your comments have been deleted.
Another benchmark: North Carolina, which is slightly bluer than South Carolina and has bigger pockets of liberal intellectuals but is somewhat useful for comparison purposes, still passed an anti-marriage referendum in 2010 with >60% of the vote.
It's tempting to look at national polling, momentum in the courts and other states' ballot boxes, etc. and assume that attitudes among likely voters in our state have changed as well, but numbers don't really reflect that.
We are a reactionary populace.
The other effect of moving downtown? The Pride organizers spit in the face of the people of North Charleston who accepted them when the City rejected them. I am glad that this event has been a success and has been able to grow and hope that it does grow. But, the way they treated Mayor Summey who put his political neck out there and lost votes for supporting the event was not classy.
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