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Re: “TONIGHT: Mayor Riley, city officials want your input on midnight bar closing ordinance

"Chemical Dependence Is Not A great Way to Lure In Tourists. Look At New Orleans. I Don't Want That Kind Of Mess Here. I Don't Want Those Kinds Of People FlockinG Here Either."

Having a drink from time to time does not equal chemical dependence. But hey, it sounds way more intelligent when you make silly claims While Capitalizing Every Word In The Sentence.

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Posted by brewengineer on July 17, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

Happy,

It's as simple as this:

White Paranoia About Kenyan Anti-Colonialists Ordering FEMA Coffins > Black Paranoia About Police Targeting Black Males and Conducting Stop-and-Frisk Searches

The problem is, one of the fears is justified, the other is not.

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Posted by chrishaire on July 17, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

It's so hard to be figurative on the internet. Sorry you didn't actually find someone wearing a hoodie downtown today. I can assure you that they're common, which is what I was meaning to illustrate.

I'm a sane person with the usual amount of depression and no suicidal thoughts. I have every right to and would refuse a search and seizure request without a warrant or explicit statement of probable cause. Luckily, I'm a white guy so I don't generally get hassled or have police guns in my face when I'm minding my own business, suspiciously or not.

That's kind of the point - it seems like race baiting to people who aren't getting the police guns in their face. Of course it seems reasonable - the kid had a gun and mental problems. SLED isn't investigating, the mayor isn't commenting on, and the newspapers aren't harping on all the stop and frisks for the kids who DON'T get shot by police because they didn't have a gun or mental problems. That's why this seems like an isolated incident to you - it's confirmation bias. If it regularly happened *without justification* to you or to people you know then you would be... Dot Scott.

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 17, 2014 at 1:49 PM

Re: “McConnell must do a lot to earn the respect of CofC students

What kind of vacuum do you think we live in that a high priced search firm is not going to understand who McConnell is? Yes, I read the prospectus. I also attended the public Q&A's. I also attended forums with higher education industry experts. You can massage a resume to fit whatever you want - the point is that there were well over 10 people who fit the qualifications better. Magically, the only people that disagreed were the couple of people that had significant pressure on them from the legislature.

Military voting is a tough nut to crack, evidenced by the fact that we've been tinkering with some way to try and help since the Reagan era - the 2012 act wasn't the first and won't be the last to fail. This last attempt didn't work, and Obama has said as much - but I think you overestimate the impact of that on the election.

If you want to talk about widespread and game-changing disenfranchisement, we can talk about poll taxe... ahem, voter ID laws. Strange how they keep getting labeled as unconstitutional by our own justice system. We can talk about reducing early voting. We can talk about partisan election boards drastically reducing the number polling places from only low income and urban areas. We can talk about efforts to make voting more difficult for resident university students. We can talk about election day organizational "accidents" that lead to abysmal wait times in poor and minority areas. We can talk about the ludicrous and shameful gerrymandering that has county lines as wide as the road that cuts through the minority neighborhood. But then we'd be talking about Republicans.

Every administration is going to have good ideas. Every administration is going to have bad ideas. That's why we have a body for debate and compromise - our system is supposed to recognize that neither side is right all the time. The reason he probably seems like a failure to you is because YOUR OWN party has committed to the ideology that every idea is a bad one unless it comes from the extremist fringes of your own. Obamacare was once the Republican counter-proposal to socialized medicine for crying out loud. The only thing that changed is that a black president got behind it. Rinse, repeat. The guy's been a big disappointment to liberals and progressives because virtually ALL of his policy initiatives have been moderate Republican ones. Or what used to be moderate Republican policy when there were moderate Republicans.

I hate to tell ya, it's not his politics you disagree with so vehemently. You might not see that, appreciate it, or know it, but everybody else does. Your brand of zero compromise, intractability and anti-American obstructionism has no political excuse.

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 17, 2014 at 1:32 PM

Re: “TONIGHT: Mayor Riley, city officials want your input on midnight bar closing ordinance

People Get Married Here. That's A Beautiful Thing And The Real Charm Of This Beautiful And Romantic City.

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Posted by zee on July 17, 2014 at 1:26 PM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

Ima,

I'll check with Paul to see if he has the report. UPDATE: Thom Berry of SLED is still working on the report. It has not been released.

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Posted by chrishaire on July 17, 2014 at 1:26 PM

Re: “TONIGHT: Mayor Riley, city officials want your input on midnight bar closing ordinance

Chemical Dependence Is Not A great Way to Lure In Tourists. Look At New Orleans. I Don't Want That Kind Of Mess Here. I Don't Want Those Kinds Of People FlockinG Here Either.

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Posted by zee on July 17, 2014 at 1:23 PM
Posted by zee on July 17, 2014 at 1:21 PM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

OK, Haire, SLED released their 180 page report about the incident, Now it's Dot Scott's turn (and yours) to release your share of the evidence.

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Posted by Ima Oldman on July 17, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Re: “The more mags that proclaim Charleston is the best, the more tourists that flock to our streets

You Think The Whore Of Babylon (The Us Economy) Will Not Pillage This Place For Every Bit O Resource It Can Take? We Will Be Lucky If This At-will-Employer State Will Allow Us To Keep Our Historic Natural LandScape Only to Put Us All In Apartments. Every MaN, Woman, And Child Will Be Sold Into Corporate Slavery OR Imprisoned As Homeless Miscreants That Don't Have Enough Of A Failing Currency. Charleston! The Last Citadel Of The Western World To Fall To A New World Of Capitalism And Mass Production.. Look At Detroit...

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Posted by zee on July 17, 2014 at 1:11 PM

Re: “Denzel Curnell shooting: Read the officer’s full account

I don't think it's a waste of time - the debate about where the intersection between civil liberties and public safety should be is one we probably ought to be having if we can do it constructively. Internets being what they are and polarization becoming the norm, this might not be the place, though, so I'm ok agreeing to slightly disagree haha.

I don't like the way we approach things with the TSA or searching bags at the marathon either, though I can easily understand the impulse. I understand that risks are involved with trusting the general public but every step we willingly take down the road of the government treating citizens like criminals the easier it gets for the government to treat us like criminals when it's not justified.

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 17, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

I see alot of what if's here in this conversation, is it better to error on the side of caution yes, no one is discussing Curnells state of mind. He has a record of being sucidial that has been established, people want to cast dispesion because of his race maybe the long and short of it he was mentaly unstable. What sane person would not yeild to a police officer if they had nothing to hide no one I know. I don't think color is an issuse here of course the race baiters want to make it an issuse to line their pockets. BTW they gentleman who stated "There are kids wearing hoodies everywhere! I could go take a drive downtown, at noon today" I was downtown for 2 hours toady didn't see one hoodie, go figure.

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Posted by puterputzs on July 17, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Re: “The more mags that proclaim Charleston is the best, the more tourists that flock to our streets

You Think The Whore Of Babylon (The Us Economy) Will Not Pillage This Place For Every Bit O Resource It Can Take? We Will Be Lucky If This At-will-Employer State Will Allow Us To Keep Our Historic Natural LandScape Only to Put Us All In Apartments. Every MaN, Woman, And Child Will Be Sold Into Corporate Slavery OR Imprisoned As Homeless Miscreants That Don't Have Enough Of A Failing Currency. Charleston! The Last Citadel Of The Western World To Fall To A New World Of Capitalism!

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Posted by zee on July 17, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Re: “TONIGHT: Mayor Riley, city officials want your input on midnight bar closing ordinance

Now people just need to show up to speak out against this foolishness!

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Posted by nofaith on July 17, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Re: “McConnell must do a lot to earn the respect of CofC students

Willful ignorance? You claimed to have read the prospectus for a new president and it had the list of qualifications. McConnell hit pretty much all of them. If you can't see that it is just lack of reading comprehension and dislike of the man. Who knows if the people who performed the search have any kind of clue as to what political skills and connections McConnell had. I doubt it seriously that they did but being able to work with a dysfunctional state legislature is a very important part of that position. For business as usual politics, I would be happy as a clam if Haley was out of the Gov's office and Hugh Leatherman was not the most powerful man in the state government.

As for your investment strategy, based on the people who voted for the worst president we have ever had in last election there are (at most) 65,915,796 who desperately need the tin foil hats. And given the fact that they will expect government to pay for them instead of paying themselves they will sell for a lot more money so you might be on to something. But, to keep your moral compass any money you make at that, or anything else in life, you should give to the government.

Without voter ID proving voter fraud is practically impossible, which is exactly why the left is so against it. But there are many things that are at least irregularities but he won, it is over with so we have to get over it (see how that works.) Now it is just a matter of preventing him from doing as much stupid stuff as he wants to do as possible. Since enacting the 2012 Military Voter Protection Act military absentee votes, which typically vote moderate to conservative, dropped by around 50%. In contrast, areas that now require voter ID have had higher participation, particularly among minorities.

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Posted by nofaith on July 17, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Re: “McConnell must do a lot to earn the respect of CofC students

But as far as your substance goes - McConnell was the most attractive candidate to the Board of Trustees, but the only qualification was that he was McConnell. If you can't see that you're just being willfully ignorant. The school spent a hundred thousand dollars paying people who's only JOB it was to evaluate qualifications and he didn't even make the top 10 list. He gets moved onto the list and then suddenly and mysteriously all the other serious contenders drop out. And yet even still he gets destroyed in the public interviews and Q&A sessions by the token competitors. Unanimous winner! Perfect choice!

The legislature even admitted that they put pressure on the BoT so I really don't understand the effort to pretend that he got in legitimately on his qualifications to run a college.

We can pretend to not hear the music playing but the reality is that the process was undermined for political favor. Yeah, your guy won - woohoo Republicans do a victory dance. Now can we address the "business as usual" crony politics in this state?

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 17, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

HOBYCAT,

A cop is always a cop. He was in a police uniform, driving a police car, and brandishing a police issued weapon. Hence he was a cop.

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Posted by chrishaire on July 17, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Re: “Denzel Curnell shooting: Read the officer’s full account

I tend to agree with a lot of that. I'm also not trying to trample on someone's grave and blame anyone for his death, and wish he hadn't made the decision he did. I take issue with some of the irresponsible reporting and accusations that were made before the report was released. Even now an apartment complex has a right to hire a security officer. It is also illegal in many western countries to conceal your face in public. Wearing a hood can be considered suspicious in a high crime area in the summer because it does have the advantage of not being recognized or recorded on a security camera, for example, so it's reasonable to approach someone acting strangely, lurking around to simply see their face and talk with them. If someone looks like a deer in the headlights causes more suspicion. I don't see this as racial profiling for the same reason someone wearing a trench coat would also elicit concern. After the Boston Bombing policies were put in place to limit backpacks, so one can be expected to be searched if they want to carry a pack into what is otherwise a public area. But this is probably becoming a waste of time for me and it's better to focus on other constructive approaches that can make a difference in preventing situations like this in the first place.

Posted by John Cecil on July 17, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Re: “McConnell must do a lot to earn the respect of CofC students

LOL I hadn't heard the voter suppression by Democrats thing yet.

Heard the voter fraud thing a few times. But I think you have to pick between "ineptness and failure" and "genius mastermind capable of orchestrating a grand conspiracy to generate 10s of millions of fraudulent votes and then keeping it secret from everybody except his... enemies."

Forget gold, aluminum has got to be the smart investment with all these tinfoil hats.

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 17, 2014 at 11:22 AM

Re: “How one officer's aggression led to the death of 19-year-old Denzel Curnell

Sure HOBYCAT, maybe Curnell was on his way to kill someone. Also maybe, he found his stepfather's gun and was on his way to return it. He could have taken it to kill himself and realized he made a bad decision and was walking it off. Maybe maybe maybe.

For sure, he can know that he had a gun that wasn't his and that he did not intend to use it against the officer. We know this because he used it on himself in a violent confrontation that was instigated by the police.

There are kids wearing hoodies everywhere! I could go take a drive downtown, at noon today, in the middle of July, and not have to look hard for "suspicious" individuals. Are the police threatening all of them with deadly force if they refuse to comply with requests that they are not legally required to comply with? The answer is likely "more than you should be comfortable with in a 'free' society."

I'm not arguing for public execution of the officer but if it doesn't bother you that this kid got randomly stopped on the street for no reason except wearing the same hoodie everybody else freaking wears and then had a gun pointed at him because he didn't thank the officer for the privilege, then we're already pretty far down a disconcerting road.

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 17, 2014 at 11:09 AM
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