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Re: “Protests in wake of Walter Scott murder remind us what democracy looks like

I am surprised by the number of people that seem confused about what happened despite there being a video. Carole there is video of a clip being emptied into Walter Scott as he flees; this video also shows the officer then planting evidence and calmly walking away. Did he wake up in the morning wanting to kill someone? Probably not, but that doesn't mean he isn't a racist. Unfortunately, most of us are racists because we have been raised with social norms that obscure, uphold, and reward racism. According to Judith Butler, these norms exceed our 'personal' stories and influence us in ways we often cannot clearly account for. What I do know is that if the officer had seen Walter Scott as someone deserving of all the rights of personhood then he wouldn't have shot him so calmly.
I'd also like to address those who think protest is not democratic. Protests are a clear way to disrupt the "tyranny of the majority." Where would we be if people like Martin Luther King, Jr had decided to calmly wait for laws to change? In fact, it is the moderate waiting for change that often impedes the entire process.
And Ron, I personally know Alison and know that she has often been willing to risk her physical safety to protect others.

Posted by Leslie Pearson on April 17, 2015 at 10:32 PM

Re: “#SouthofBroadLivesMatter

Good question, WFP. We know how City Paper makes money. They have advertisers who pay based on print ads and web traffic. Thus, CP often publish outrageous articles to increase traffic. They are obviously going to want to take advantage of any local news story that goes global. But they are open and transparent and local, so it's fine.

How is #blacklivesmatter funded? Where are they getting the money to organize? Social media campaigns are cheap but, with the exception of the Arab Spring and maybe ISIS, they haven't proven they can lead to change, as Ron says.

So where are they going to get the money to fund their organization? Not a lot of people at these protests. Are they going to rely on donations that will dry up a month from now? The NYT is reporting that Brother Santana is demanding media pay him license fees. He's learning. Do you know how Rainbow/Push are funded? I bet you dollars to doughnuts, this is how the conversation went at City Hall today,

JJ: We, uh, respect, uh, the way the City has handled, uh, this terrible tragedy. Unfortunately, uh, the officer's training was lacking. We would, uh, like to, uh, offer you, uh, the opportunity to provide for your department, uh, special diversity training certified by Rainbow/Push. Now, uh, without this training, uh, those protests outside, uh, might get louder.

MS: How much?

JJ: We, uh, charge, uh, $5,000 for each officer if both the police and, uh, fire departments are committed.

MS: We've got 600 PD and FD employees, so you want $3 million?

JJ: I'm, uh, glad, uh, we understand each other. The city will, uh, be safer and, uh, you will not have to worry about, uh, a lawsuit.

That's the way the game has always been played. It's no coincidence that Jesse paid a visit the Longshoreman before going over there. It's essentially the same racket the mob has always used.

It might be that Jesse just walked into #blacklivesmatterCHS backyard and ate their lunch. It's called getting "big footed". Your footprint disappears. And, who cares if you already allow yourself to be made a joke in the newspaper, anyway?

Posted by Fish Pimp on April 17, 2015 at 8:10 PM

Re: “Charleston police finalize body camera policy

Ah. Then you agree that the camera would identify you as carrying, hence not a target.
So then all I would need is a little fake camera; everybody will think I'm carrying and not fuck with me, no danger of someone getting the drop on me, taking my firearm, and shooting me with it.
Or dropping it, having it go off, and accidentally shooting myself.

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on April 17, 2015 at 5:21 PM

Re: “Charleston police finalize body camera policy

It's called conceal carry because that's what is legal, with permit, in SC. As opposed to open carry, which is not. If I were looking for a target, it damn sure wouldn't be the one packing.

Posted by Jaxx on April 17, 2015 at 4:53 PM

Re: “Stegelin: Vined Justice for Walter Scott

Having not picked up the P&C in years, I can't speak to any cartoons they may have recently run, but can assure you any similarities are purely coincidental. It happens.

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Posted by Steve Stegelin on April 17, 2015 at 4:23 PM

Re: “Charleston police finalize body camera policy

"People with conceal carry don't commit crimes. If they were criminals they wouldn't have the permit it in the first place or get it taken away if they did commit a crime."

Look at any week's blotter in the City Paper, such as this week's with three separate incidents. Or look at gun-related news stories from anywhere in the country. Law abiding gun owners may not commit overt crimes, but a hell of a lot of them leave their guns in unlocked cars to be stolen, or have them out in the open near curious young children, etc.

They may not be robbing banks or mugging people, but plenty of morons who think themselves to be responsible gun owners are incredibly negligent with their weapons. But if you call into question their ability to handle the responsibility of a weapon, you get the standard "hurrr durr don't tread on me libs wharrgarbl" response and then Fox News is runs a piece on them showing how the government is trying to confiscate everyone's guns.

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Posted by Ron Liberte on April 17, 2015 at 2:42 PM

Re: “#SouthofBroadLivesMatter

Appropriated and made all the money ? What money ?

Posted by WFP on April 17, 2015 at 2:40 PM

Re: “Charleston police finalize body camera policy

Oh, look. A data retention policy. Wonder if the ALPRs have one yet?

Posted by mat catastrophe on April 17, 2015 at 2:00 PM

Re: “#SouthofBroadLivesMatter

Well, I tend to agree Ron, but I wonder how such groups get marginalized? It seems to happen by degree.

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Posted by Fish Pimp on April 17, 2015 at 1:02 PM

Re: “Charleston police finalize body camera policy

Mount HD GoPro™ cameras ON TOP of the cops' heads as well as on top of their guns.

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Posted by Pronghorn on April 17, 2015 at 12:23 PM

Re: “Charleston police finalize body camera policy

"Why don't we put cameras in every car because they kill way more people than guns"
Sure. And put them on cigarette packages too since they kill more than firearms and vehicles combined.

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on April 17, 2015 at 12:00 PM

Re: “#SouthofBroadLivesMatter

If the PoundSignBlackLivesMatter group can be weakened by the drunken satirical ramblings of Chris Haire, then it wasn't that strong of a movement to begin with. So in reality, Mr. Fish Pimp, you are calling into question the strength and integrity of PoundSignBlackLivesMatter.

Having said that, I predict PoundSignBlackLives matter will be as effective in ending police brutality against minorities as PoundSignBringBackOurGirls was in putting a stop to Boko Haram's kidnapping.

The revolution will not be Tweeted.

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Posted by Ron Liberte on April 17, 2015 at 11:54 AM

Re: “Charleston police finalize body camera policy

"I think there will be more of them going to jail because they won't be able to get off as much on technicalities and the lawyers will have their hands tied."
I see no downside to this. Once the drug war is finally over there will be plenty of prison space for real criminals.

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on April 17, 2015 at 11:47 AM

Re: “Charleston police finalize body camera policy

"The crime stats on conceal carry holders is so low its not a consideration"
Perhaps the same could be said about police officers.

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on April 17, 2015 at 11:44 AM

Re: “Charleston police finalize body camera policy

Why would people knowing that some is carrying make that person a target? If anything, I would think that person would be avoided as if he had scabies or something.
I, for one, would simply leave the premises until all armed persons are gone.
I don't have that option now because these people are allowed to be armed in secret.

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on April 17, 2015 at 11:43 AM

Re: “Charleston police finalize body camera policy

Its called conceal carry for a reason. Wearing a body camera would be a give away and make you a target. People with conceal carry don't commit crimes. If they were criminals they wouldn't have the permit it in the first place or get it taken away if they did commit a crime. The crime stats on conceal carry holders is so low its not a consideration. Don't believe look it up. So once again you want to put the burden onto law abiding citizens instead of the criminals committing crimes with guns and getting probation form judge Gosnell. In early 2000's I had a drugged drunk crazed guy shoot 15 rounds of 9mm in to my Tahoe while I was driving. He got 3 years probation. Until you have a crime committed against you with a gun you can't understand the importance of defending your own life or others.

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Posted by redblood on April 17, 2015 at 11:38 AM

Re: “#SouthofBroadLivesMatter

Factory, I get his satire but think it's in pretty bad taste. If I were in #blacklivesmatter, I wouldn't want my movement to become a punchline for the amusement of the rich white community. It sends the message that this protest is a joke and can be safely dismissed. It suggests their protest is a source of entertainment.

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Posted by Fish Pimp on April 17, 2015 at 11:21 AM

Re: “The Agenda: 4.2M SC license plates to be replaced; Sanford plan would cut public transit; Court to hear church case

Don't blame Sanford, blame Joe Riley. He was the one that traded the clean up of the new aquarium site for the transit system. Before that it was taken care of by SCE&G. People seem to have short memories. So now it belongs to the gov't which it shouldn't.

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Posted by Showmoor on April 17, 2015 at 10:48 AM

Re: “Stegelin: Vined Justice for Walter Scott

Wow, a complete rip-off on an editorial cartoon published a week ago in the P&C. Shame shame

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Posted by Showmoor on April 17, 2015 at 10:45 AM

Re: “The Walter Scott murder only increases the mistrust between the black community and police

"We've been down this road before when justice was not served for the slaughtered — Mike Brown anyone? — so forgive me for appearing jaded." This case was investigated by the US Dept of Justice, headed by Eric Holder, a black man, and the evidence showed no wrong-doing by the policeman, so why do you keep perpetuating the untruth that justice was not served in this case? Mike Brown was not a little boy but a man over 6 feet tall and over 250 pounds. The first "eye-witness" of the crime lied as did many others, so let's keep to the facts instead of opinion. That would serve your students well. Thank you. As for this being a racist incident, how about the black cop that went along with the lies, is he racist, also?? I believe this was simply a bad cop doing what he thought he could get away with. As a white man who had his head bashed in in the 80's by a white cop, I realized that some cops are just bad and not necessarily racist. Btw, the judge didn't believe me either and nothing was done to the cop. He did later have his left hand fingers blown off by a gun wielding person and I surmised how it was tragic that it was not 8 inches more to the right.

Posted by Showmoor on April 17, 2015 at 10:43 AM
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