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Re: “Dick Elliott drops out of mayoral race

Class act. This shows he has a good head on his shoulders and has his priorities straight.
God knows we could uses someone like that in office, as those are rare qualities in a politician!

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Posted by John Chitwood on February 14, 2015 at 1:28 PM

Re: “Ben Tillman's shameful legacy is now Clemson's

I see ur bosses let u write again after ur colossal fuck up w Academic Magnet Miss Haire. Too bad

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Posted by truth1 on February 14, 2015 at 9:06 AM

Re: “18 big ideas from the late-night input sessions

Blah blah, blah. Bar owners and restaurant owners--this is ur problem. Deal w it and let me get back to my stories and my Hennesy! #SaveSCstatefromTheMan

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Posted by truth1 on February 14, 2015 at 9:04 AM

Re: “Dick Elliott drops out of mayoral race

A bunch of white folks talking bout white folks problemz....who da fack cares!!

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Posted by truth1 on February 14, 2015 at 9:01 AM

Re: “Ben Tillman's shameful legacy is now Clemson's

Tillman would want his name removed from a school that admitted n#ggers

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Posted by Billy Sottile on February 14, 2015 at 3:33 AM

Re: “Christie and Paul make concessions to the anti-vax crowd

"I've LIVED in an ACTUAL totalitarian state. I was born in the Soviet Union. "

Of course! It all makes perfect sense. Hysterical AlexM is a fucking real live Communist. Holy Shit! Of course he believes the state can inject you with anything they deem necessary. Of course he believes the state decides that you will be a truck driver or an aid worker. Of course he believes the state chooses where you live. Of course he believes there is such a thing as a libertarian. Oh man, I get it now.

Does your "power" even include the right to vote, Hysterical Comrade AlexiM? When will you become a citizen? Do you study the Constitution in citizenship class? Well, the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment is the one that guarantees all Americans the fundamental right to privacy and the right to bodily integrity. Upon this law rests a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy, the right to engage in consensual intercourse with a person of the same sex, the right to die, and the right to refuse medical treatment.

Do your really believe this country should chip away at that fundamental protection for 100 cases of the measles? Liberty means the power of choice without interference, obligation, or control. Free will. We allow individuals to make poor choices even when those choices endanger the herd. It's a risk we have chosen to bear to maintain our independence. Of course, the state attempts to regulate behavior that infringes upon the rights of others and thus the consequences of our poor choices certainly may include exclusions, fines, incarceration, or even execution by the state. That is justice. But the state can't torture us. Not like in your homeland, Comrade. It can't violate our bodies in the name of the public good. In America, our liberties are protected by law, Hysterical Comrade AlexiM.

I understand you are new to this idea of liberty, Hysterical Comrade AlexiM. Freedom has eluded your people for thousands of years. You've always bent the knee to a Mongol or a Czar or a Secretary General and they've told you what to do. A stereotype of your people is the musk ox. It's understandable that, like a wild beast, you might become hysterical and illogical when faced with the breathless media coverage of the raging cootie threat. This kind of information is not usually permitted on the state run media you are used to, I'm sure. Relax, Comrade. Calm down. You'll be okay.

I want you to know that you have freedom while you are in my country. If you are afraid of what's on the television, you are free to go get yourself a booster shot. You are free to turn off the television and read a book. You are free to avoid Disneyland and places that might attract children and foreign tourists. You are free to move to Mississippi. And you are free to take your Bolshevik ass back to Mother Russia, you commie horse fucker. The choice is yours.

U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!

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Posted by Fish Pimp on February 13, 2015 at 10:57 PM

Re: “Ben Tillman's shameful legacy is now Clemson's

If anyone's interested, Clemson's library has a great digital archive with a lot of information about the naming of Tillman Hall. Here:

http://library.clemson.edu/depts/specialco…

Also, this is a chilling recollection of the red shirts in action:
http://contentdm2.clemson.edu/cdm/search/s…

Chilling because the author was so proud of the atrocities they committed.

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Posted by Native Ink on February 13, 2015 at 10:42 PM

Re: “Christie and Paul make concessions to the anti-vax crowd

Seems anti-vaxx is prevalent in two different camps.

A) Hard-right, anti-government delusionists that are terrified of government mandate, and believe prayer cures all.
B) Hard-left affluent academics that can't accept that correlation =/= causation and they are not clinicians.

Unfortunately, the only way to deal with this is to make vaccinations compulsory. Herd immunity is more important than your personal life choice. Besides, endangering your child is complete and utter bullshit.

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Posted by leemajors on February 13, 2015 at 2:16 PM

Re: “Christie and Paul make concessions to the anti-vax crowd

"I checked out your link, it did not address immigrants (legal or illegal), so I surmise that your reason for posting it was to get back to the straw man argument that the sole reason for the measles outbreak (I also referred to strains of influenza that previously have only occurred in Central and South America, part of the same problem).
My point was that diseases that have been eradicated in the US have returned because they have been re-introduced by unscreened illegal immigrants (the legal ones are screened). That is, unless you believe that viruses manifest themselves via a mysterious swamp gas or some other ethereal manifestation?"

No, I think you are missing the point. The outbreaks are in affluent upper middle class areas, where there is a concentration of unvaccinated people (who choose not to be vaccinated). There are illegal and legal immigrants all over the country, so why are the outbreaks mainly in these specific areas, where new age antivaxxer logic seems to be the norm? The point is, people wouldn't be catching and spreading this if they were vaccinating. I guess you could provide data to prove your opinion?

Again, this isn't an immigration specific issue. You can whine and cry about legal and illegal visitors to this country all you want, but you aren't going to stop that any time soon. The fact that wealthy legal Americans are refusing vaccination is what causes outbreaks, and it is disgusting.

This is the biggest issue, and something we can fix: "According to a recent Kaiser Permanente study published in the journal Pediatrics, certain California counties like Marin and Napa had under immunization rates that ranged from 18 to 23 percent between 2010 and 2012. Outright vaccine refusal in these areas ranged from 5.5 percent to 13.5 percent."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/03/m…

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Posted by brewengineer on February 13, 2015 at 1:47 PM

Re: “Christie and Paul make concessions to the anti-vax crowd

Yet another facet of this tragedy is that when we isolate these children with their dim-witted parents in the form of home "schooling," we tend to perpetuate the anti-science ignorance that is a festering blight in this country.

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Posted by leemajors on February 13, 2015 at 1:27 PM

Re: “Ben Tillman's shameful legacy is now Clemson's

Yeah they took it down alright ... and put it in an even more prominent location. It's time to face the truth. After 400 years of "living" under the thumb of so-called white people, I think we can safely conclude that,

1. They are incapable of righteousness

2. They are are inherently wicked

3. They are a race of devils!

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Posted by Ban Nabaya on February 13, 2015 at 12:32 PM

Re: “Christie and Paul make concessions to the anti-vax crowd

If you are a parent, and take the advice of a Hollywood actor (or actress) as the gospel for making decisions as to the health and welfare of your children, then you deserve what you get. Rand Paul's political future is finished with his public rants about vaccinations. You risk blindness, heart problems, useless sperm of your sons and other health problems if you don't get the MMR shots. And don't bet on being accepted into many areas of society with your kids if you make the wrong decisions. And, please, don't ask for "special considerations" for your kids.

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Posted by localhutch on February 13, 2015 at 12:23 PM

Re: “Blotter: A little wet behind the ears

There will never be a cure for stupid.

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Posted by localhutch on February 13, 2015 at 12:13 PM

Re: “Student housing gets swanky with 930 NoMo

Interesting location. Are they betting on a whole lotta gentrification in the area? Like the projects just down the road,or those over in "Riverview", the drug capital of the area? The price is competitive, sorry to say, with downtown, so if you are a rich out-of-towner with a rich Dad, and an armored Lexus, this is the place for you. Taco Boy is across the road, so there is a place to go, and new bars are opening up quickly in the area. But you can't walk there...yet. But the time to get downtown and back, especially during rush hours, is a definite downer. I wonder what routing they are going to use? I hope the fence off the "under the bridge" as that is the place for many of the homeless to live, and I don't think the two cultures will mix well. Good luck, and I hope more places open up around the area.

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Posted by localhutch on February 13, 2015 at 12:04 PM

Re: “Christie and Paul make concessions to the anti-vax crowd

To: brewengineer
"And blaming immigrants is a bullshit cop-out.
http://www.wired.com/2015/02/tech-companie…

This is an issue with middle class and upper middle class white people, just as much as it is an issue with immigrants and foreign visitors..."

I checked out your link, it did not address immigrants (legal or illegal), so I surmise that your reason for posting it was to get back to the straw man argument that the sole reason for the measles outbreak (I also referred to strains of influenza that previously have only occurred in Central and South America, part of the same problem).
My point was that diseases that have been eradicated in the US have returned because they have been re-introduced by unscreened illegal immigrants (the legal ones are screened). That is, unless you believe that viruses manifest themselves via a mysterious swamp gas or some other ethereal manifestation?

Also, no one has mentioned that both major Democratic candidates for President in '08 supported "choice" on the issue of vaccinations. Children born in '08 would be over seven years old now, just the right age to contract an "eradicated" virus from an "undocumented" immigrant. I never heard the big announcement that those candidates changed their position, at least until after the present outbreak occurred.

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Posted by Rohry on February 13, 2015 at 11:57 AM

Re: “Christie and Paul make concessions to the anti-vax crowd

John Paul Jah, "And begs the question: Is the rejection of reason a valid exercise of the intellect? If so, then could the intellectual capacity of our species actually be its own evolutionary Achilles heel? "
Nah. It doesn't explain why other less developed nations are thoroughly immunized.
This is occurring in the US right now because it's a cause du jour of organic-living, low-information, wrong-minded yuppies, and, because it's part and parcel of what you get from paranoid, conspiratorial libertarians, who are currently screeching the loudest in our public forums as they seek to throw as much shit at the Big Gubmint wall to see what sticks. (yeah, i'm not immune from mixing a metaphor)

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Posted by landsnark on February 13, 2015 at 11:40 AM

Re: “Responsibly raised or not, meat is still murder

So, our beef herds are causing climate change ? Hmmmmmm.. climate change happens four times a year since the Great Flood of Noah's day. also all beast of the field were for the use of man to eat, as well as the fish of the sea and foul of the air as noted. We are not to drink the blood of the animal that is processed for consumption. Next ?

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Posted by Clarkie on February 13, 2015 at 11:37 AM

Re: “Christie and Paul make concessions to the anti-vax crowd

"There is no good to come of forcing it upon everyone just to save a tiny insignificant number of people from contracting the measles each year, most of whom are stupid anti-vaxxers in the first place."

Harsh, but true. And begs the question: Is the rejection of reason a valid exercise of the intellect? If so, then could the intellectual capacity of our species actually be its own evolutionary Achilles heel? And could this explain why curiosity drives tsunami victims to walk towards the beach in a zombie-like state of vacant astonishment - while dogs, cats, chickens, and all manner of wild beasts flee for the hills?

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Posted by John Paul Jah on February 13, 2015 at 10:06 AM

Re: “Christie and Paul make concessions to the anti-vax crowd

"You are a gutless coward who hides behind sick children and must lie to himself in order to swallow the hypocrisy of his twisted and inconsistent ideology. You are the type of man who would have survived the Titanic."

Strong words coming from a man who seems to be terrified of the big mean government hiding under his bed.

"You have not provided a single example where the mere fact of my existence constitutes a threat and gives the government the right to put anything into my body or alter it in any way against my wishes. So, you don't seem to have the mental capacity to understand that "it happens all the time" is an insufficient answer for someone who wants any respect. If you can't name an instance where what you say is true, you can always just admit that you are lying sack of shit."

I have provided multiple examples. You keep handwaving them away. Children are already forced to be vaccinated in order to go to school...just with some pointless exceptions and provisos. Truckers and health workers are required to take all prescribed medicine or be suspended from their jobs. Your answer to these claims is "Well, I don't HAVE to be a truck driver, or a health professional, or a child attending school, so it doesn't count!" Well, you don't HAVE to use public services or interact with broader society, either. No one is forcing anti-vaxxers into going out and mingling with people. They're welcome to go be as stupid as they want on isolated compounds in the middle of nowhere. Because as it stands, they represent a clear danger to people around them. Please learn to read and try responding with an argument that doesn't boil down to No True Scottsman.

"Then, I'm very happy that you have no power, your highness. No authority for your authoritarianism, as it were. Hysterical AlexM, a would-be Napoleon of the Nanny State. Try not to sprain your finger wagging it at the peasants."

Ah, I see now, you're one of those "libertarians" who thinks that they should be able to do as they please and damn the consequences to others. I figured you were, but it's nice for you to just come out and say it. You clearly want all the benefits of living in a society without any of the responsibilities. Thanks for clearing that up!

"This line of thinking eventually leads to becoming trapped in a cold Russian winter."

And this is where we get to the point where your slippery slope idiocy really breaks down. Because unlike you, I've LIVED in an ACTUAL totalitarian state. I was born in the Soviet Union. I know how they work, first hand. Not just from catching late-night showings of Red Dawn on HBO. And so I know how absolutely ludicrous it is to suggest that mandatory vaccinations as a condition of receiving any public service is the same thing as Joseph Stalin murdering my relatives because they made a joke about him. True story! You're the metaphorical spoiled child who thinks not getting cake with dinner for misbehaving is the same exact thing as being raised by abusive parents. My suggestion would be to go out, get some actual life experience under your belt, see what other cultures are like, find out what REAL authoritarianism looks like, and maybe even learn something. Because as it is, you're a disgrace to Americans, and an insult to people who've had to live through REAL authoritarianism.

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Posted by AlexM on February 13, 2015 at 9:54 AM

Re: “Christie and Paul make concessions to the anti-vax crowd

"Brew, I have no problem with shaming but I think it's now called bullying and frowned upon.

Shame and guilt are the most powerful societal controls. Chris Christie's fat ass certainly needs some shaming. He's one after-dinner mint away from exploding. "It's waffer, thin.""


Bullying people who endanger public health is completely acceptable, in my opinion. Especially when many of these key players in the antivax movement are making bank off of scientific ignorance and fear. Go research Mercola and his cash flow.

To the guy asking how many deaths related to measles:
http://www.cdc.gov/measles/vaccination.htm…
"Measles is still common in other countries. The virus is highly contagious and can spread rapidly in areas where people are not vaccinated. Worldwide, an estimated 20 million people get measles and 146,000 people die from the disease each year—that equals about 400 deaths every day or about 17 deaths every hour."


And blaming immigrants is a bullshit cop-out.
http://www.wired.com/2015/02/tech-companie…

This is an issue with middle class and upper middle class white people, just as much as it is an issue with immigrants and foreign visitors. The difference is that we, as citizens of the USA, have cheap and easy access to vaccines to prevent these illnesses. Unless you have allergies or specific medical conditions, there is absolutely no reason not to be vaccinated.

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Posted by brewengineer on February 13, 2015 at 7:38 AM
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