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Re: “Ep. 4 Recap: We’ve cracked the Reckless formula

It's a VERY important part of any show set in the South's "formula" to show that's it hot, humid, sticky, etc.

Because, it's always like that here and never anywhere else.

I think Matlock started it?

Posted by Cid95 on July 30, 2014 at 12:19 AM

Re: “Talking with a historian about Charleston's episode of "Drunk History"

Just watched it. On the Watties Waring skit the flags in the courtroom were for NC and the USA. WTF.....the SC flag isn't that hard to find. Every jag off from Ladson has a flag sticker on their cooler and truck.
And the drunks. Were they even local? John Polk the carriage driving drunkard would have been the best selection.
On a scale of 0 to TRav this episode was a 3.

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Posted by jimbeauxisland on July 29, 2014 at 10:35 PM

Re: “Ep. 4 Recap: We’ve cracked the Reckless formula

"....it’s already become formulaic."

No kidding.

Impossibly young and attractive: doctors, lawyers, police officers, firefighters, private detectives, consultants with paranormal abilities, secret agents, political operatives, or costumed heroes, suppress their volcanic and irresistible sexuality - while doing battle against: corrupt shadow agencies, mindless bureaucracies, brilliant yet psychopathic terrorists, or basement dwelling homicidal maniacs. And all of this against a backdrop of "will they or won't they" sexual tension - usually with a co-worker.

Yes, in fact we have seen this one before.

Posted by John Paul Jah on July 28, 2014 at 4:54 PM

Re: “Ep. 4 Recap: We’ve cracked the Reckless formula

Given the amount of money a television production like this brings into town, I would really like this series to make it.

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Posted by wjhamilton29464 on July 28, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Re: “Talking with a historian about Charleston's episode of "Drunk History"

I like this new guy. He'll start and argument with himself if no one else steps up.

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Posted by factoryconnection on July 24, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Re: “A chat with "Drunk History" creator Derek Waters inside a van outside The Royal American

Oh I wasn't trying to give you a hard time. I'm a transplant too and history is my discipline - which is really a different thing than the "history" everybody tries to claim ownership of, so I'm more bemused by the debate than anything else.

I was born and raised with a human body, for example, but I don't claim to be a biologist.

Anyway the truth is that everybody is a part of the history of this place, and as a port city, Charleston's growth and development (like all port cities) depended and was directed in very large part by people who came here who weren't natively born. Jealously guarding a history and a culture that was, to a significant degree, developed by transplants and transients from the corrupting influence of... transplants and transients doesn't seem to make a whole hell of a lot of sense. Neither does demanding some sort of deference for being part of the old guard in a town that has thrived largely due to frequent and fresh infusion from new sources. But that's the same story in any older port city along the east coast. New Yorkers pretty much have the same arguments, for what it's worth.

It does make me wonder sometimes if we're, as humans, hard-wired to some degree for aristocratic impulse despite our American democratic perspective. That's neither here nor there and again - I'm no biologist.

That's not to say that people shouldn't have pride of place regarding their hometown, if it's a cool hometown. Of course they should. And I understand that it's tough on a personal identity when someone else who hasn't shared it suddenly assumes it late. Plus down here everything gets wrapped up in the Southern mythos which amps up the emotional component to the whole thing.

And everybody wants to be special haha, even if what makes you special is pride in being a regular non-special dude. Individuality makes the world go 'round.

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 22, 2014 at 7:39 PM

Re: “A chat with "Drunk History" creator Derek Waters inside a van outside The Royal American

Happypessimist, I am not special and I don't wish to be. I am simply a a transplant who has lived in many different cities (and a couple countries), that finds history very interesting. People just don't seem to find history and stories interesting today like they used to long before I was born. I guess the moral of the story is don't assume I don't have in depth knowledge of this area because I wasn't born here, and I won't assume that I know more than you based off of my general experiences with natives and history.

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Posted by brewengineer on July 22, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Re: “A chat with "Drunk History" creator Derek Waters inside a van outside The Royal American

Jaxx, I don't really know what your problem is, but again you know nothing about me. I have done far more than tour or read a book. I never called you anything directly. I said that your post made you sound like a bitter asshole. And your continuous assumptions about me are ironic, as it is exactly what you have accused me of doing. I have worked in the service industry, so I have met many locals. How long do I have to live here to be allowed to have a personal opinion on the average people here, Jaxx? 10 years? 20 years? 80 years? How old are you and what sort of native Charlestonians have you been hanging out with? Honest question, cause most of the people I have met don't even know the original names of many popular locations around this area. They couldn't even tell you what Gullah is, beyond a type of food. Also, I am not sure how anything you have wrote here is constructive. Not even this thread, but many other ones included. Granted, I generally agree with many of your smart ass comments, and join in with similar opinions, but I haven't seen much substance in your posts. Anyways, I am sorry I have hurt your native pride. 'Twas not my intention. I was simply stating that the general population in this area doesn't give a shit about the past. I never claimed to know more than all natives, but I actually do care about the past, including passed down stories. Now, can we hug it out and get over it?

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Posted by brewengineer on July 22, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Re: “Talking with a historian about Charleston's episode of "Drunk History"

The Fact Is That These Clowns Are Destroying Charleston And Supporting Huge Media Monopolies That Are Enslaving Every American Taxpayer With Brainwashing. You Sir Are Brainwashed.

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Posted by zee on July 22, 2014 at 5:01 PM

Re: “Talking with a historian about Charleston's episode of "Drunk History"

Who Cares About Johnny Knoxville Or Any Of These TV Clowns?

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Posted by zee on July 22, 2014 at 4:58 PM

Re: “A chat with "Drunk History" creator Derek Waters inside a van outside The Royal American

Is that an order from a native or a transplant?

There are only two lenses with which we can view the world and goddammit one of them is going to be proven, here and now, as the only valid one worthy of any respect and consideration!

Victory will be as shocking as the earthquake of 1886 which I know about because I read about it in a book that was brought to life through the context of the oral history of people who had relatives that lived through it.

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 22, 2014 at 3:11 PM
Posted by Pronghorn on July 22, 2014 at 3:02 PM

Re: “A chat with "Drunk History" creator Derek Waters inside a van outside The Royal American

Jaxx, your overreaction to some relatively innocuous internet hyperbole is saying as much about you as his overstatement says about him. At this point I wouldn't want to hear a story from you, either, and that's not how the oral history you're putting such an outsized value on is supposed to work.

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 22, 2014 at 2:15 PM

Re: “A chat with "Drunk History" creator Derek Waters inside a van outside The Royal American

I don't know if I'd go so far as to say it's stronger here haha. New Englanders can be downright vicious about the native vs local vs transplant vs tourist thing as opposed to the kind of pretentious irritability you find here.

Course then again I'm older now and less inclined to broadcast my "outsider" status as if that made ME part of an exclusive club of my own.

We all want to be special and belong to something, after all. I guess I've lived in enough places for long enough to see that someone wanting respect for the "accomplishment" of having been born somewhere nice is always going to be disappointed with what he gets - while worldliness never beats nativism in an argument over who is perceived to have experience and knowledge, as well.

Posted by HappyPessimist on July 22, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Re: “A chat with "Drunk History" creator Derek Waters inside a van outside The Royal American

Are you seriously calling me out for "name calling" when I initially posted 6 benign words and you called me a bitter asshole and ignorant? That's what led to my second post directed at you. And what you've done is confirm my assumption.

You've met enough locals in 5 years to come to a conclusion about most of them? My god do you not see yourself for what you are?

Why would I share a story with an asshole like you? And to my point, why would anyone? Any native, of any place, wouldn't give a presumptuous dick like you the time of day. You could learn so much more about any locale's history by engaging it's natives in constructive conversation rather than assuming you know more than everyone because you read the book or took a tour.

Your loss.

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Posted by Jaxx on July 22, 2014 at 1:46 PM

Re: “A chat with "Drunk History" creator Derek Waters inside a van outside The Royal American

"If it makes any difference, this pride of place stuff isn't specific to Charleston - same arguments happen from Cape Cod to San Franscisco. It's really more about being proud to be an exclusive member of something than anything particular about that "something." It's a human impulse, and maybe if both sides can recognize that we can both just relax and enjoy Charleston for being the city both sides want to live in."

Very true, but it is stronger in Charleston. But it seems to come from a select mostly white, upper-middle class group. At least they are the most vocal. Personally, I tell people I meet that I am from Mt Pleasant, but was born and raised in WV. I pay taxes here, own a home here, and work here, so I am as local as you can get from that standpoint. I am not, however, a "native."

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Posted by brewengineer on July 22, 2014 at 1:18 PM

Re: “A chat with "Drunk History" creator Derek Waters inside a van outside The Royal American

"@Brewboy: I expected no less from you. You culled a bunch of assumptions from the 6 words I posted. Probably the same rush to judgement you use to declare yourself more knowledgeable than most Charleston natives on the subject of local history.

How many locals have you met? 100? 1000? 10,000? Do you know how many there are? What demographic are you basing your assumption? The 30 yr old you met at a Bay St Biergarten, or the 60 year old you met at the Sol Legare boat landing? What do you consider local history: what you read in a book, or stories passed down from generation to generation? How dare you make such a presumptuous assumption.

Allow me an assumption: you are a pompous dickhead, and if you think more natives don't feel the same way about you, either you don't have the balls to speak to them face to face the way you so boldly do behind a keyboard, or they're just too polite to tell you to fuck off. I'm not.

Fuck off."


Jaxx, thanks for the angry rant. Your language and name calling really displays a special level of intelligence. I am sure you know me so very well, since you have never met me. I have lived here 5 years, and met enough locals to know that most don't care about history. And history is a combination of many different things, all of which can be relevant to the topic. It isn't about just reading books, or just telling stories. It is all about getting out and experiencing the different historical sites and talking to historians and people who have lived through many different events. Researching historical battles, significant political changes, and even major weather events helps one understand an area. I currently live near a Gullah area, and I can guarantee most of the people over age 50 in that neighborhood have more knowledge of Charleston's past than your average so-called self-proclaimed Charleston native. So how about you, Mr. Jaxx? Please tell us all your passed down stories from your multiple generations in this area. You seem to angrily defend the honor of all native Charlestonians (also funny, as most self-proclaimed Charleston natives have never lived in Charleston city), so back that up. Tell me a story that I haven't heard, because that is a far better defense than name calling and vague assumptions.

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Posted by brewengineer on July 22, 2014 at 1:13 PM

Re: “A chat with "Drunk History" creator Derek Waters inside a van outside The Royal American

"brewengineer - it's cool that you know a lot about Charleston's history. It's about the attitude that one projects, though. Is it polite and respectful?"

It wasn't attitude. It was a simple observation. There is a smug sense of localism that is often projected from a select few. It was shown here in the comments made by the Oldman. It was an assumption that most people in bars around town aren't from here, and thus do not know the history of the area. My point was that I actually have interest in the history, along with a few other transplants I know. I have met a few locals that are interested in knowing the city's past, but they are rare. This isn't a phenomenon specific to Charleston. When I lived in Richmond, it was the same scenario. Most people don't care about history, so it is silly to assume A. That natives will know a lot about their city's past or B. That transplants will know very little about the areas history.

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Posted by brewengineer on July 22, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Re: “A chat with "Drunk History" creator Derek Waters inside a van outside The Royal American

And then the fight between the native and the local-but-not-for-as-long spilled out through the swinging doors into the 18th/19th/20th/21st century street of every American city with any kind of history everywhere.

If it makes any difference, this pride of place stuff isn't specific to Charleston - same arguments happen from Cape Cod to San Franscisco. It's really more about being proud to be an exclusive member of something than anything particular about that "something." It's a human impulse, and maybe if both sides can recognize that we can both just relax and enjoy Charleston for being the city both sides want to live in.

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Posted by HappyPessimist on July 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Re: “A chat with "Drunk History" creator Derek Waters inside a van outside The Royal American

@Mat: I expected more from you. I wasn't trying to pass off any fanciful notions or corner you into retreating, I was genuinely interested in how you'd justify your argument. Your response wasn't disappointingly weak, it was nonexistent. Bunch of words that said nothing. I'll chalk it up to the hour(1:30am) and give you a do-over.


@Brewboy: I expected no less from you. You culled a bunch of assumptions from the 6 words I posted. Probably the same rush to judgement you use to declare yourself more knowledgeable than most Charleston natives on the subject of local history.

How many locals have you met? 100? 1000? 10,000? Do you know how many there are? What demographic are you basing your assumption? The 30 yr old you met at a Bay St Biergarten, or the 60 year old you met at the Sol Legare boat landing? What do you consider local history: what you read in a book, or stories passed down from generation to generation? How dare you make such a presumptuous assumption.

Allow me an assumption: you are a pompous dickhead, and if you think more natives don't feel the same way about you, either you don't have the balls to speak to them face to face the way you so boldly do behind a keyboard, or they're just too polite to tell you to fuck off. I'm not.

Fuck off.

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Posted by Jaxx on July 22, 2014 at 11:37 AM
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