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Re: “City passes unconstitutional ordinance in effort to thwart Mother Emanuel protesters

I thought free speech was only protected if it does no harm? I would think what WBC does could be considered as causing deep physical harm. Someone should hire a good lawyer, talk to the right shrink, and sue these assholes for all they are worth. Personally, I say let them come. I would volunteer to stand right in front of these people and prevent them from getting near any funerals. I am sure I wouldn't be alone.
I still can't hate on the city for doing what they think is best for the victims and families, no matter how much I dislike the method in which they did it.

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Posted by brewengineer on June 25, 2015 at 8:30 AM

Re: “City passes unconstitutional ordinance in effort to thwart Mother Emanuel protesters

People, either we have free speech or not.It's amazing how people can throw Constitutional rights out the window but forget they could be subjugated to these same laws in the future if for instance, another religion, take for instance Islam, wanted to protect one of their services,for a known dead terrorist, and wanted you "Christians" to be 300 feet from their service, you'd all be crying for first amendment rights, and with this decision to fall back on, you'd be out of luck.

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Posted by Joe Rizoli on June 25, 2015 at 12:00 AM

Re: “City passes unconstitutional ordinance in effort to thwart Mother Emanuel protesters

Interesting that the CP editor decrys the city of perverting the law while he publishes Sam Spence's column that urges perversion of a different law.

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Posted by Ima Oldman on June 24, 2015 at 3:46 PM

Re: “City passes unconstitutional ordinance in effort to thwart Mother Emanuel protesters

Too bad they passed this- I would have loved to see an equally black and white mob beat the shit out of these superstitious parasites.
Think the CCPolice would "look the other way?"

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on June 24, 2015 at 3:06 PM

Re: “City passes unconstitutional ordinance in effort to thwart Mother Emanuel protesters

Tupper so you are ok with no constitution as long as it agrees with your values

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Posted by truthrus on June 24, 2015 at 12:16 PM

Re: “City passes unconstitutional ordinance in effort to thwart Mother Emanuel protesters

pfft, those pesky laws...why follow them when you can just ride the waves of emotion.

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Posted by Native76 on June 24, 2015 at 11:35 AM

Re: “City passes unconstitutional ordinance in effort to thwart Mother Emanuel protesters

By the time they fight and win to protest, all will be said and done and nothing to protest, so it works.

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Posted by tupper29406 on June 24, 2015 at 10:19 AM

Re: “Wanna email Gov. Haley directly? Well, now you can: nrh@gov.sc.gov

I was raised in SC. Near the little town of Olanta in the 1940s and 50s. I'm with the Governor. Governor, bring this flag down. Some may use the "We have a right to fly this flag over the Capital." Please remember, there are times when rights must be yielded for the good of others. As a former pastor I have worked for civil and human rights in the community where I served. Let's have racial unity and harmony. For the good of all, stay the course and lower this flag for all time.

Posted by David Moore on June 23, 2015 at 11:10 AM

Re: “Emanuel AME shooting: This is now the world we live in

"You know what I am talking about: mass shootings and other acts of terror committed by people from the demographic that has the highest social and economic standing in that country."

I'm not able to only care about just some murders because they fit into a deranged societal worldview, all are equally bad in my view. Since you can and do make that distinction, though, I can at least understand how it would cause a domino effect of other illogical ideas in your mind. Fair enough, all clear now.

I'm not comparing the farce of "the war on drugs" to mass murder, they are obviously two completely separate things. I am comparing the efficacy of the total prohibition on some narcotics in the US to a theoretical similar ban on firearms in the US.

Trollslayer - I have no personal experience with either, so I'll take your word for it. Alcohol is my drug, and it's legal and taxed (like tobacco). Make Marijuana the same.

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Posted by Cid95 on June 22, 2015 at 12:59 PM

Re: “Emanuel AME shooting: This is now the world we live in

"The plant tobacco and the plant marijuana should be treated the same."

Wrong. Tobacco kills millions every year, hundreds of thousands in this country alone.

Marijuana kills none.

There is simply no comparison between the damage done by tobacco compared even to all other drugs.

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on June 22, 2015 at 12:19 PM

Re: “Emanuel AME shooting: This is now the world we live in

I'm done talking about this. My heart is broken. Nothing in our society is ever going to change because fear and ignorance will always prevail. I'm going to go try to find something constructive to do for our community, and I hope the rest of you can find the time or money to contribute as well.

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Posted by Ron Liberte on June 22, 2015 at 11:38 AM

Re: “Emanuel AME shooting: This is now the world we live in

"What is "this sort of thing", exactly? Murders, I assume? Because it would be really silly and intellectually dishonest if we cared about some murders, but not others."

You're being intentionally obtuse. You know what I am talking about: mass shootings and other acts of terror committed by people from the demographic that has the highest social and economic standing in that country. Show me what other Western nation this happens in with such frequency.

"Ron - many of our drug laws are stupid, and our "war on drugs" is a generally a massive waste of criminal justice system effort and resources. In many ways, they cause a lot of the violence in the US. The plant tobacco and the plant marijuana should be treated the same."

I absolutely agree with you on this, but your comparison of the war on drugs with calculated mass murder is ridiculous.

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Posted by Ron Liberte on June 22, 2015 at 11:08 AM

Re: “Emanuel AME shooting: This is now the world we live in

Ron - many of our drug laws are stupid, and our "war on drugs" is a generally a massive waste of criminal justice system effort and resources. In many ways, they cause a lot of the violence in the US. The plant tobacco and the plant marijuana should be treated the same.

The point is the efficacy of governmental "bans" on the availability of the proscribed items in question. The evidence points to very low effectiveness. So, since our many 2nd Amendment supporters here definitely don't want a repeal and total ban, and we already have thousands of gun restriction laws...what actual changes are being proposed and what real effect will they have?

We know of the case of a woman stabbed to death recently in NJ by a male stalker. She had a restraining order on the guy and, when murdered, was waiting for months for the state's permission to own a means of preserving her life. There ARE negative consequences to overly restrictive laws.

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Posted by Cid95 on June 22, 2015 at 9:58 AM

Re: “Charleston: The No. 1 city in the world for white people

Never have been, however it's on my list for sure!

Posted by Von Hall on June 22, 2015 at 9:52 AM

Re: “Emanuel AME shooting: This is now the world we live in

What is "this sort of thing", exactly? Murders, I assume? Because it would be really silly and intellectually dishonest if we cared about some murders, but not others.

"This sort of thing" happens all over the world even if we only talk about random mass murders. There was a random mass murder in Austria this past weekend (weapon used: a car). There was a random mass murder in Taiwan last year (weapon used: a kitchen knife). The attacks in France, despite gun laws beyond leemajors' very evocatively described wet dreams on the subject, are well-known. There have been similar mass murders in Japan and China and Norway and Finland and Germany and the Netherlands and other places with various weapons. Their populations (except for China) are much smaller than ours, so per capita data is revealing.

The US general murder rate per capita isn't even in the top 100 globally.

We KNOW what we need to do. We need to incarcerate violent criminals early in their violent crime career as opposed to plea bargains / "time served" / parole. It won't stop all crime, and it won't stop formerly law-abiding people who "snap" (which happens everywhere). It WILL reduce the US murder rate per capita to levels similar to Western Europe.

10 shot in Detroit this weekend...but for some reason the race of the victims and the murderer isn't in the newspaper article like in every article about police incidents and Charleston. Over 200 murdered in Chicago so far this year. Anyone paying attention?

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Posted by Cid95 on June 22, 2015 at 9:48 AM

Re: “Emanuel AME shooting: This is now the world we live in

"This is the only first-world nation where this sort of thing regularly happens. But we constantly act like nothing can be done about it. It's tragic."

I want to paint this across the sky, stand on the mountaintop and scream this until I puke blood and guts.

But no one will hear me.

I'll be drown out in a cacophony of "Guns are fun to shoot, y'all. And nig...I mean 'democrats' might invade my home so I need to protect my family. Mental illness and poverty are the real culprits...blahblahblahblahblah."

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Posted by leemajors on June 22, 2015 at 9:24 AM

Re: “Emanuel AME shooting: This is now the world we live in

"But, let's say you got your wish... and the 2nd Amendment was repealed."

As I said, I don't think it needs to be repealed. But your "thousands of restrictions" don't mean anything if they are not effective. This is the only first-world nation where this sort of thing regularly happens. But we constantly act like nothing can be done about it. It's tragic.

"Could we then expect guns to be as hard to get as, say, cocaine? A substance which originates in South America and has been completely prohibited for decades? With every city, county, state and federal law enforcement body, and sometimes the military, waging a "war on drugs?"

We are all familiar with those mass overdosings where crazed druggies force a room full of people to snort until they're dead.

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Posted by Ron Liberte on June 22, 2015 at 4:50 AM

Re: “Emanuel AME shooting: This is now the world we live in

Ron - I'm going to tell you some important and, to you, surprising news that should make you happy.

We have thousands of laws in the US restricting the 2nd Amendment, both at the state and federal level. We also have a federal law enforcement body (BATFE) tasked specifically with enforcing them. The 2nd Amendment is the most heavily restricted of all the individual freedoms contained in the Bill of Rights. I know: Mind. Blown. Right?

But, let's say you got your wish (I'm sorry that I'm not keen to phrase it into sexual/genital context like you would, coz I know you get off on that sort of thing) and the 2nd Amendment was repealed.

Could we then expect guns to be as hard to get as, say, cocaine? A substance which originates in South America and has been completely prohibited for decades? With every city, county, state and federal law enforcement body, and sometimes the military, waging a "war on drugs?"

I'm sure you have lots of great reasonable ideas, though. Please, do tell.

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Posted by Cid95 on June 22, 2015 at 12:59 AM

Re: “Emanuel AME shooting: This is now the world we live in

Here we go again with Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and the Charleston City Paper as proxy for the mainstream media. On any other day, the folks at AME gathering to study God's word and sing old spirituals are no different than the snake-handling, white-trash Pentacostals in North Georgia. They're all an uneducated, neanderthal form of primate clinging to their anachronistic book of feel-good fables.

But when those same leftists find an opening to fan the fires of racism and gun control, the folks at AME are patronized as the lap poodle du jour. The left detests the God-fearing views of those at AME and the revealed scriptures in which they find solace. It gives its transient embrace to Mother Emanuel as nothing more than a tool to fuel its political ends.

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Posted by freefirezone on June 21, 2015 at 6:39 PM

Re: “Emanuel AME shooting: This is now the world we live in

It's striking that the solution offered by the families who lost loved ones at AME was for the evil-doers to find Christ. Contrast that with the nothing but predictable anti-gun rants by left-wingers here and everywhere. One group wants to treat the cause, the other a symptom.

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Posted by freefirezone on June 21, 2015 at 6:02 PM
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