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Re: “Confederate flag defender Chris Corley, facing domestic violence and gun charges, called for leaders with morals

He just seems to want to return to a time when America was great.

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Posted by pugnax on December 31, 2016 at 12:02 PM

Re: “Confederate flag defender Chris Corley, facing domestic violence and gun charges, called for leaders with morals

Jeeze Mr. Hammond, are you saying that you agree that Mr. Corley's behavior? That punching a woman in the face, pointing a gun at her and threatening her to kill her, plus allegedly cheating, is acceptable and people that don't agree are leftist? What reason do you have to try to disparage this paper? I hope you would not punch a women in the face or threaten to kill someone with that gun in your picture. Mr. Corley does not sound like a good person to me.

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Posted by Beth Stevenson 1 on December 30, 2016 at 5:39 PM

Re: “It's time to give up the carriage tour gimmick

"As an animal lover, I don't think horses should be used as a nostalgic practice to schlep tourists around our city for money."

Oh really? Then I guess you prefer the alternative of caring for, housing, feeding, and healing expensive horses.....the glue factory.

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Posted by Foghorn Leghorn on December 30, 2016 at 3:55 PM

Re: “We owe the hospitality industry more than parking tickets

Here's a hint, genius. Park in places where it's legal and you won't get a ticket.

Works for the rest of us when we're downtown.

Posted by Foghorn Leghorn on December 30, 2016 at 3:43 PM

Re: “The Agenda: Mulvaney investments hedging against dollar?; Roof getting another competency test; Bowl time

Domestic abuse against women is the second most popular sport in the state after college football. It's really no surprise that the yokels in Aiken County are shuffling their feet on this. Just like Charleston has a brand to protect, so does Deliverance country.

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Posted by Ron Liberte on December 30, 2016 at 1:57 PM

Re: “The top Charleston news stories of 2016

Another reason to worry:…

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Posted by tupper29406 on December 30, 2016 at 9:56 AM

Re: “The Agenda: Many Chs-area police not enforcing texting ban; Prepping for eclipse chasers; No guns for Corley on bond

When the police stop texting and driving, maybe they'll start thinking about enforcing the law

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Posted by Paul White on December 29, 2016 at 1:18 PM

Re: “The top Charleston news stories of 2016

Kudos to trump for his win! Now he needs a diverse cabinet:…

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Posted by tupper29406 on December 29, 2016 at 1:04 PM

Re: “The Agenda: Another S.C. bathroom bill filed; Electors choose Trump; CofC being sued by alleged rape victim

Postscript in reply to Amadeus:

For those readers who are not familiar with how Birch Society members and supporters behave:

1. The comments by Amadeus are fairly typical of how Birchers present their viewpoints. Very rarely does any Bircher enter a discussion in an amicable and friendly manner.

2. Typically, Birchers assume the worst about their perceived opponents or critics. Instead of starting a friendly conversation by asking questions or presenting their best case for whatever viewpoint they subscribe to, you will discover that they immediately malign the integrity and character (and often the patriotism) of their critics -- as Amadeus did with me.

3. As I mentioned in my previous message, most Birchers (like Amadeus) merely parrot whatever the Birch Society tells them to believe. It is extremely rare for any Bircher to perform independent research (i.e. using NON-Birch Society sources).

What also needs to be considered is that the Birch Society does NOT allow outside independent researchers to have access to its archives for historical research.

4. Consequently, no matter what JBS-related subject is being disputed, the ONLY possible way to resolve whatever is in dispute is for someone to have the time, resources, ability, and inclination to discover what are often very obscure and/or costly sources of factual data.

For example: no ordinary layman could possibly debate Amadeus about The Politician's history or present a factual summary regarding how the Birch Society used the original "private letter" manuscript in 1959 and 1960 to recruit and/or educate new JBS members unless that layman had access to (1) JBS archives or (2) JBS National Council member personal papers which are archived at various colleges and universities around our country and (3) FBI files--many of which are now no longer available or very difficult and expensive to obtain.

5. Furthermore, keep in mind that the above information refers to only ONE subject in dispute. Amadeus and his allies have a bottomless pit of grievances and criticisms which they are prepared to unload onto any person who dares to dispute their beliefs.

6. Lastly, it should be kept in mind that people like Amadeus are not genuinely interested in facts or truth.

Instead, their objective is indoctrination. They believe that they are in possession of an Ultimate Final Truth (UFT) and it is their purpose in life to share their UFT with everyone they can reach.

If the target of their propaganda disagrees or expresses skepticism or criticism then Amadeus and other Birchers will immediately engage in libelous attacks upon their perceived opponent. Usually, Birchers describe all criticism of the JBS as "smear attacks" -- regardless of whatever evidence is produced.

In short -- Amadeus and his fellow Birchers believe that the JBS is infallible and they will NEVER acknowledge that the Birch Society has made grave errors in its analyses or conclusions. In addition, these Birchers will circulate totally false information because it expresses their accumulated anger, grievance, and sense of impotence about our modern history.

Posted by Ernie Lazar on December 29, 2016 at 9:35 AM

Re: “Confederate flag defender Chris Corley, facing domestic violence and gun charges, called for leaders with morals

From the comments left alone we can tell the Charleston paper is nothing but a leftist propaganda rag.

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Posted by Daniel Hammond on December 28, 2016 at 7:25 PM

Re: “Mayor Tecklenburg's honeymoon period is over

Mr Greene should also note that under Riley and his "successful" pro tourism and affordable housing policies the amount of African Americans living downtown has gone from around 28,000 to less than 8,000. How is your so called most "liveable city" working for them? Is that how the racial divide is "narrowed"?

How is Riley's massive expansion and annexation without any significant infrastructure or cycling path planning helping those spending hours in traffic on Folly Road, Savannah Highway, and River Road? Does Mr Green ever drive in this city?

How is putting a cruise terminal for a polluting cruise line in deep downtown going to help liveablity downtown? How successful was the Riley administration in running a safe and modern fire department? as far as waterfront access why is it that the City Marina is now a private Marina without access to the general public?

I think Mr Green should try to be honest about Riley's if he wants to be considered objective when he criticizes the new mayor, but yet I have never seen Mr Green write a single word that was not agenda driven.

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Posted by RASPUTIY on December 28, 2016 at 7:05 PM

Re: “Mayor Tecklenburg's honeymoon period is over

The two most notable promises of his campaign, to enact a hotel moratorium and to oppose the construction of the proposed Sergeant Jasper, ended with a whimper. For me, the current explosion of hotels on the peninsula confirms a one term mayor.

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Posted by Paul Luman on December 28, 2016 at 5:05 PM

Re: “Confederate flag defender Chris Corley, facing domestic violence and gun charges, called for leaders with morals

Let's see...engaging in racist, sexist, violent behavior with a very deluded perception of morality. Are we sure he's just not auditioning for a position in the Trump administration?

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Posted by Ron Liberte on December 27, 2016 at 7:36 PM

Re: “Confederate flag defender Chris Corley, facing domestic violence and gun charges, called for leaders with morals

Domestic violence is a deadly issue in SC. This man should not hold office as an elected representative of the people. He needs to resign immediately or be impeached.

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Posted by Angel Williams Orechovesky on December 27, 2016 at 4:10 PM
Posted by tupper29406 on December 25, 2016 at 2:15 AM

Re: “Hug your friends and hug a journalist

I have a propensity to take the long, broad view and not get into the weeds with trivia. Media blather has gotten to the point where the federal government, aided by television media, is contemplating taking action against "false news". This is just a prelude to taking away your first amendment rights. The mainstream media can not compete with the "irregular" media, of which this thread is just one element. Therefore the MSM wants a law to regulate/outlaw fake news. Have a good day, fellas.

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Posted by Gunnar on December 22, 2016 at 7:01 PM

Re: “The Agenda: Another S.C. bathroom bill filed; Electors choose Trump; CofC being sued by alleged rape victim

Unlike Amadeus, I will not resort to calling him dishonest but, regretably, he simply is profoundly ignorant of the actual history of The Politician.

The Politician was originally written in 1954 as a typewritten unbound manuscript and it was periodically revised. The last revision (before publication) was produced in June 1958 and circulated starting in August 1958. I have a copy of that edition and I have donated it to Internet Archive's website. There is no copy in any U.S. library of that original "private letter".

Amadeus says the Birch Society never called Ike a Communist but merely offered that as "one possibility". Well, that simply is not true. As I previously pointed out, Robert Welch sent letters to prospective JBS members in 1959 and 1960 and in those letters he told the recipients to read his "private letter" (which was 287 pages in length) and then join the Birch Society to do something about "the conspiracy" described in his letter. In other words, read and believe the arguments presented and then join the JBS.

In that original manuscript, Welch made it very explicit that he considered Eisenhower to be a Communist traitor. That is why Welch entitled Chapter 17, "The Word Is Treason".

In that original manuscript, Welch declared:

"For the sake of honesty, however, I want to confess here my own conviction that Eisenhowers motivation is more ideological than opportunistic. Or, to put it bluntly, I personally think that he has been sympathetic to ultimate Communist aims, realistically willing to use Communist means to help them achieve their goals, knowingly accepting and abiding by Communist orders, and consciously serving the Communist conspiracy for all of his adult life." [The Politician, unpublished version, page 266]


"But my firm belief that Dwight Eisenhower is a dedicated, conscious agent of the Communist conspiracy is based on an accumulation of detailed evidence so extensive and so palpable that it seems to me to put this conviction beyond any reasonable doubt." [The Politician, unpublished version, page 267]

However, one does not need to rely upon just those passages. Here are some other passages which reveal Welch's actual position re: Eisenhower:

In discussing Eisenhowers appointment of Philip C. Jessup, Robert Welch refers to Eisenhower as "he and his fellow Communists" [The Politician, unpublished version, page 214]

In discussing Eisenhowers appointment of James B. Conant, Robert Welch refers to the appointment of Conant "made by a Communist President" [The Politician, unpublished version, page 221]


"In my opinion the chances are very strong that Milton Eisenhower is actually Dwight Eisenhowers superior and boss within the Communist Party." [The Politician, unpublished version, page 210]

"We think that an objective survey of Eisenhowers associates and appointments shows clever Communist brains, aided by willing Communist hands, always at work to give the Communists more power, and to weaken the anti-Communist resistance." [The Politician, unpublished version, page 239]

"For Eisenhower and his Communist bosses and their pro-Communist appointees are gradually taking over our whole government right under the noses of the American people." [The Politician, unpublished version, page 238-239]

Welch also refers to Eisenhowers actions in Europe "which show his sympathies with the Communist cause and friendship for the Kremlin tyrants." [The Politician, unpublished version, page 263]

Furthermore, apparently Amadeus did not read the section of my previous message which referred to a 1960 Office of Naval Intelligence Report regarding JBS recruitment activities in the Chicago area.

As that report reveals, a JBS National Council member (Stillwell J. Conner in Chicago) at first LIED about the existence of The Politician but then had to acknowledge it existed after someone in his audience brought a copy to that recruitment meeting.

Conner then admitted that The Politician was given to prospective JBS members when they could be "properly guided within the Society" -- referring to the JBS. So, obviously, the JBS was endorsing the themes, arguments and conclusions contained in the 1950's manuscript -- and the major theme and argument and conclusion was that Eisenhower was a Communist.

There are many additional ways to disprove the conclusion stated by Amadeus.

Lets begin with a comment made by Robert Welch in The Politician, Chapter 16, which discusses Eisenhower associates and appointments (pages 227-228 of the unpublished version and page 238 of the 1963 published edition and page 214 of the 2002 published edition):

Even Welch acknowledges the cumulative effect of all his statements, innuendos, and insinuations in The Politician. Welch wrote:

"So we appear to be calling almost everybody a Communist, merely because we have no reason to be mentioning the good men in Washington, in all branches of the government, who have no Communist sympathies whatever."

So, the first question for Amadeus is:

WHY did Welch acknowledge that the first 16 chapters made it appear that "we appear to be calling almost everybody a Communist"?

Whom, precisely, does Amadeus think Welch was referring to as a Communist -- even in the first PUBLISHED edition which the Birch Society promoted and sold in its bookstores?

As we keep that in mind, lets also remember that the title of the next chapter clarifies Welchs intent with respect to the thrust of his argument as contained in the first 16 chapters. Chapter 17 is entitled: "The Word Is Treason."

One more critically important point:

There is NOTHING contained in The Politician which has not been part of core Birch Society ideology since its inception in December 1958.

In the 1963 published edition which excises the comments on pages 266-268 which I quoted earlier, there is a footnote on page 278 (footnote 2) and its text appears on pages cxxxviii-cxxxix at the back of the book. That text is as follows:

"At this point in the original manuscript there was one paragraph in which I expressed my own personal belief as to the most likely explanation of the events and actions with this document had tried to bring into focus. In a confidential letter, neither published nor offered for sale, and restricted to friends who were expected to respect the confidence but offer me in exchange their own points of view, this seemed entirely permissible and proper. It does not seem so for an edition of the letter that is now to be published and given, probably, fairly wide distribution. So that paragraph, and two explanatory paragraphs, connected with it, have been omitted here. And the reader is left entirely free to draw his own conclusions."

Welch's explanation above for excising 3 paragraphs from the original unpublished version makes very little sense. The themes, arguments, evidence, premises, and conclusions contained in TP differ not one iota from themes, arguments, evidence, premises, and conclusions in official Birch Society literature from its inception. (See below)

Both attribute all of our nation's adversities and setbacks to conscious deliberate actions by numerous prominent Americans in Administrations since FDR [or even Wilson!] occupied the White House. Explanations of motivation always center around "treason" and "conspiracy" by numerous noxious, subversive, and unprincipled characters.

Consequently, the most reasonable inference for why Welch felt compelled to eliminate 3 paragraphs from the 1963 published edition of TP, is the same reason why Welch initially falsely claimed that his "private letter" had nothing to do with the JBS, namely, Welch thought excising the "offending" paragraphs would diminish negative publicity and retain those members (or prospective members) of the Birch Society who might be offended by such an unsparing denunciation and description of Eisenhower as an outright traitor and "dedicated, conscious agent of the Communist conspiracy."

To repeat Welch's rationale from page 267 of the unpublished version, he was trying to accommodate those persons who could not "go all the way with the final logical conclusion."

Amadeus is like many other members or supporters of the Birch Society. He merely parrots whatever the JBS tells him. But he never performs independent research which is why he then uses ad hominem slurs and innuendos rather than engage in factual discussion.

By all means do as Amadeus suggests -- "buy a copy of The Politician" and then see the vicious and malicious statements made by Robert Welch about virtually our entire national political leadership.

The Politician is merely an earlier version of the screed which Welch presented to the first meeting of the JBS National Council in January 1960 (when Eisenhower was still our President). I quote the relevant excerpt below.

COMPARE what Welch told his National Council (the indisputable official position of the JBS) to what is presented in The Politician. There is no materially important difference:

"From a careful and realistic study of the mountainous pile of evidence that is there for all to see, certain terrifying conclusions are objectively inescapable. Among them are:

(1) The Communists are winning their large victories, as they always have, through the cumulative effect of small gains;

(2) They make these gains chiefly through the conniving assistance of many of the very diplomats and officials who are supposed to be opposing them;

(3) Communist influences are now in almost complete working control of our government;

(4) And hence, the United States Government is today, as it has been for many years, the most important and powerful single force promoting the world-wide Communist advance. "

Furthermore, according to the minutes of this meeting, Robert Welch stated:

"Today, gentlemen, I can assure you, without the slightest doubt in my own mind that the takeover at the top is, for all practical purposes, virtually complete. Whether you like it or not, or whether you believe it or not, our Federal Government is already, literally in the hands of the Communists." [Ibid, page 2]

"In our two states with the largest population, New York and California already the two present Governors are almost certainly actual CommunistsOur Congress now contains a number of men like Adam Clayton Powell of New York and Charles Porter of Oregon, who are certainly actual Communists, and plenty more who are sympathetic to Communist purposes for either ideological or opportunistic reasons." [Ibid, page 7]
[Note: the reference to Governors refers to Edmund G. Brown of California and Nelson Rockefeller of New York.]

"In the Senate, there are men like Stephen Young of Ohio, and Wayne Morse of Oregon, McNamara of Michigan, and Clifford Case of New Jersey and Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota and Estes Kefauver of Tennessee and John F. Kennedy of Massachusetts, whom it is utter folly to think of as just liberals. Every one of those men is either an actual Communist or so completely a Communist sympathizer or agent that it makes no practical difference." [Ibid, page 8]

"Our Supreme Court, dominated by Earl Warren and Felix Frankfurter and Hugo Black, is so visibly pro-Communist that no argument is even neededAnd our federal courts below that levelare in many cases just as bad." [Ibid, page 8]

"Our State Department is loaded with Communists from top to bottom, to the extent that our roll call of Ambassadors almost sounds like a list somebody has put together to start a Communist front." [Ibid, page 8]

"It is estimated from many reliable sources that from 70% to 90% of the responsible personnel in the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare are Communists. Our Central Intelligence Agency under Allen Dulles is nothing more or less than an agency to promote Communism throughout the worldAlmost all the other Departments are loaded with Communists and Communist sympathizers. And this generalization most specifically does include our whole Defense Department." [Ibid, page 8]

Statements like these are one of the major reasons that senior FBI officials (including Director J. Edgar Hoover) concluded that the JBS was a major impediment to factually educating the public about the communist movement and why they described the JBS as "right-wing exremist", "irrational", "irresponsible" and "lunatic fringe".

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Posted by Ernie Lazar on December 22, 2016 at 11:14 AM

Re: “Following latest fatality, state leader continues call for safer pedestrian passage on Crosstown

Last Saturday morning in the dark at about 5 am near Coming St. I was cruising through and an idiot in dark clothes sprints across the Crosstown in front of me with no warning. I had to lock the brakes to avoid him. Maybe it's intelligence not cross-overs that we need. As for the student deaths in the past, was the blood-alcohol level in the victims checked in either incident. You would think that someone capable of being accepted by CofC would figure out how to cross the street safely....thinking about driving Calhoun during school hours...nahhh, nevermind.

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Posted by Ima Oldman on December 22, 2016 at 10:02 AM

Re: “The Agenda: Another S.C. bathroom bill filed; Electors choose Trump; CofC being sued by alleged rape victim

I will provide one example of Mr. Lazar's stunning dishonesty that I trust will be enough to fully discredit his deception in the mind of any intellectually honest reader.

Mr. Lazar wrote: "(c) The Birch Society DID explicitly endorse The Politician after it was first published in 1963."

By that he meant to imply that the JBS officially took a position stating Eisenhower was an actual communist. What he conveniently omitted is that The Politician published in 1963 and endorsed by the JBS DID NOT ACCUSE EISENHOWER OF BEING A COMMUNIST. It offered that as one possibility to explain Eisenhowers actions.

Ask yourself, why would Mr. Lazar, who knows this very well, omit such an important fact in his post? The only answer is that he wants to mislead you. He cannot be trusted.

I could go on exposing his deception but I have a republic to save!

If you are interested in the facts, buy a copy of The Politician and be blown away.

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Posted by Amadeus Frison on December 22, 2016 at 1:39 AM

Re: “The Agenda: Another S.C. bathroom bill filed; Electors choose Trump; CofC being sued by alleged rape victim

With respect to Operation Keelhaul -- Mr. Thompson "forgets" to mention that Winston Churchill also supported that policy. Perhaps Mr. Thompson is now going to tell us that Churchill was ALSO a Communist traitor?

Mr. Thompson's biggest whopper is his claim that the "JBS has been proven correct".

Keep in mind that, for decades, both Robert Welch and the JBS declared that our nation's most knowledgeable, authoritative, and reliable source of indisputable factual information about the communist movement in the U.S. as well as about internal security matters generally was the FBI under J. Edgar Hoover's direction.

In fact, the Birch Society published an article in the October 1966 issue of its magazine, American Opinion, entitled "The Wisdom and Warning of J. Edgar Hoover".

Hoover is described in that article as:

"the governments top authority on Communism. His patriotism, integrity, devotion to duty, and consistent efficiency are well known...Had we been wise enough to heed his clear words of warning over the years, we would not now be faced with such a monstrous conspiracy...God bless J. Edgar Hoover!"

One year later, the Managing Editor of the Birch Society's book publishing house contacted Director Hoover with a proposal by Robert Welch for the Birch Society to publish a compilation of Hoover's statements about Communism. The FBI memo about this proposal observes:

"Mr. Welch advised he had the greatest admiration for the Director and that the captioned book was intended as an instrument against communism. He said he felt the statements on the subject from Mr. Hoover would be taken as statements from the worlds greatest authority on the matter of communism." [FBI HQ file 62-104401, #3148; 6/28/67 airtel from SAC Boston to J. Edgar Hoover concerning contact made by Douglas C. Morse, Managing Editor of Western Islands Publishers.]

Another internal FBI memo gives the FBI's position about this JBS proposal:

"It is felt the Director should remain firm in continuing to deny Bales and also the JBS permission to publish excerpts from the Directors quotations on communism. It is not felt that such a book could possibly give a balanced view of the Directors statements and in view of the extremist position taken by both Bales and the Birch Society, it is anticipated that the Director could be subject to public criticism by any implied association with Bales and the Birch Society.

It is significant that senior FBI officials including their most knowledgeable experts about the communist movement -- described Welch and the JBS as "right-wing extremist", "irrational", "irresponsible", "lunatic fringe" and "fanatics".

Furthermore, the FBI falsified virtually every major predicate of JBS ideology.

So for Mr. Thompson to pretend that the Birch Society has been proven "correct" is an absurd falsehood if you review FBI investigative files and you comprehend the profound hostility of senior FBI officials toward Welch and the JBS.

As J. Edgar Hoover told the Warren Commission:

"I think the extreme right is just as much a danger to the freedom of this country as the extreme left. There are groups, organizations, and individuals on the extreme right who make these very violent statements, allegations that General Eisenhower was a Communist, disparaging references to the Chief Justice and at the other end of the spectrum you have these leftists who make wild statements charging almost anybody with being a Fascist or belonging to some of these so-called extreme right societies."

"Now, I have felt, and I have said publicly in speeches, that they are just as much a danger, at either end of the spectrum. They don't deal with facts. Anybody who will allege that General Eisenhower was a Communist agent, has something wrong with him. A lot of people read such allegations because I get some of the weirdest letters wanting to know whether we have inquired to find out whether that is true. I have known General Eisenhower quite well myself and I have found him to be a sound, level-headed man." (Warren Commission, Volume 5, page 101)

AND, a year later, Hoover was even more explicit:

"Personally, I have little respect for the head of the John Birch Society since he linked the names of former President Dwight D. Eisenhower, the late John Foster Dulles, and former CIA Director Allen Dulles with communism."

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Posted by Ernie Lazar on December 22, 2016 at 12:32 AM
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