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Re: “Removing the Confederate flag isn't enough

HUH?

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Posted by John B Sales on July 12, 2015 at 10:17 PM

Re: “Removing the Confederate flag isn't enough

Mat, this is the most convoluted and, ultimately, pointless article I think you could have written on the subject of race relations, if, indeed, that was what it was about. So, white people shouldn't talk about race because we have no idea what it's like to be a "person of color" (colored person?) in America. And we have to "shed white privilege". And getting rid of symbols and monuments will not change anything. Okay, so, why worry about it then? Why not just treat black people like we do white people? Why not just "do unto others"? That seems to be a better start than any of the "non-ideas" you littered this column with. Yeah, slavery was terrible and guess what: nobody here has ever had or been a slave. Most of your readership doesn't even remember any Jim Crow laws unless they've had a class in it. And, if there's a problem between the races, don't you think both races legitimately have a role in the solution? Next time you don't know what to say about a topic, how about write about something you do know about?

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Posted by Gloria B. Jenkins on July 12, 2015 at 10:10 PM

Re: “Here are the 20 lawmakers who voted against removing the Confederate flag

Any flag represents what the person wants it to represent, or what they have been taught, whether they are black, white, red, yellow, or whatever mixture of colors. To say someone is wrong about their beliefs is based on what the "accuser" believes. Everyone has an opinion, which is what freedom of speech is all about. I am proud to be a part of the upstate regardless of how our representatives voted. That was their right to do so. It's everyone's right to wave the flag, or not. It doesn't bother me either way, since I am secure in my own beliefs. God bless the USA in the days to come! She is going to need it!!

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Posted by Matt Limbaugh on July 12, 2015 at 9:44 PM

Re: “Removing the Confederate flag isn't enough

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue, street and building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”
~ George Orwell, 1984

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Posted by Deborah Allen Martin on July 12, 2015 at 7:22 PM

Re: “Colonial Lake awash in improvements as $5 million facelift continues

I'm putting the cement turtle back in when they are done.

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Posted by CIACulinaryKid on July 12, 2015 at 5:41 PM

Re: “South Carolina finally exorcises a divisive anachronistic demon

Chris, your moral superiority is blinding you and choking me. It is such a mistake to assume white supremacy was somehow only or chiefly contained in the American South. White supremacy predates the United States. You want to know who the white supremacists are? WASPs. White Anglo-Saxon Protestants. And you will find them in the Northeast.

The idea of white supremacy begins with Tacitus description of the Germans the Romans encountered across the Rhine River. He describes them thus:

“the peoples of Germany [were] a race untainted by intermarriage with other races, a peculiar people and pure, like no one but themselves [with] a high moral code and a profound love of freedom and individual rights; important decisions were made by the whole community.”

It was taught that these Teutons came out of the woods in the 7th-9th centuries to conquer the British Isles. These Anglo-Saxon descendants of the Teutons continued to preserve their freedom, crafting documents like the Magna Carta. White supremacy was the justification that King Henry VIII used to break with the Catholic Church. White supremacy was the justification for the establishment of the colonies in the new world. White supremacy was the basis of the Revolution (the Naturalization Act of 1790 starts with the words "Free white men"), the Mexican-American War (US took land, not Mexican people living on that land) and the Civil War (slavery). Manifest Destiny is the idea that the New World belongs to white people from sea to shining seas. White supremacy was the basis the of the genocide of the Native Americans. White supremacy was the reason the United States invaded Cuba and the Philippines. White supremacy was the reason we supported Japan in it's brutal invasion and subjugation of China (a decision that backfired 40 years later). White supremacy was the basis of WWII and Anglo-Saxon history was the reason Hitler believed England would side with the Axis as well as the reason the United States remained isolationist until attacked. White supremacy was the basis of the CRM. White supremacy is the basis of the War on Terror.

Charleston South Carolina just showed everyone that this is presently the most racially unified city in the world, but let's make sure we focus on shames from 150 years ago, instead. It makes me sad.

Do yourself a favor and read the Imperial Cruise by James Bradley (Flags of our Fathers).

You can find the Tacitus quote above at pg 8.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/37079095/Chap-2-…

Continue reading for the next few pages.

Incidentally, the author of the play that Birth of a Nation the film was based on was a friend of Woodrow Wilson and a huge Republican supporter of Teddy Roosevelt.

Which is worse slavery or genocide? I guess we in America seem to feel more shame about slavery because there are no Native Americans left to make us feel guilty about slaughtering them.

‘I don’t go so far as to think that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe nine out of ten are, and I shouldn’t like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth.’ - Teddy Roosevelt

And here is Civil War hero WT Sherman discussing the Native Americans he was slaughtering after the Civil War:

"hostile savages like Sitting Bull and his band of outlaw Sioux ... must feel the superior power of the Government." He further wrote that "during an assault, the soldiers can not pause to distinguish between male and female, or even discriminate as to age."

But no one ever says anything about removing their monuments or street names. I wonder why that is?

Until we can come to grips with what white supremacy means and how it manifests itself today, we will not progress towards full equality. Of course, if your goal is to establish your moral superiority over stupid people and avoid these tough conversations, it's easiest to just beat the dead horse of the Confederacy.

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Posted by Fish Pimp on July 12, 2015 at 2:59 PM

Re: “Confederate flag defenders make quixotic last stand on S.C. Senate floor

Cid, your fear tactics would be easier to take seriously if those same tactics hadn't been used already for every single move towards eliminating bigotry in the past.

The remote possibility of another building being renamed or another symbol being removed is worth the risk in my book.

Am I allowed to say that? Am I allowed to just concede that I'm okay with all your very unlikely worst case scenarios occurring in light of something positive actually happening for South Carolina's perception?

The alternative doesn't scare me.

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Posted by warwit on July 12, 2015 at 1:22 PM

Re: “Here’s how seven votes changed on the Confederate flag bill

If heritage is really what it's all about, there's some fine reading on South Carolina's role in the fight for American Independence that would probably benefit those with such a strong emotional connection to the flag.

I mean, for fuck's sake. Our great state became the beacon for patriotism in this land far before John C. Calhoun began rattling his saber. Yet, here we are trying to pacify folks who, by and large, don't know that the flag was put up solely so that that a racist governor could thumb his nose at the fed.

If it's really not about race or regional tribalism, certainly our Confederate flag mourners will appreciate the contributions of figures like Chris Gadsden, Francis Marion and the South Carolina soliders out at Fort Moultrie.

We've got a lot to be proud of, South Carolina. Our role in the foundation of the colonies, our role in the fight for American independence, our friendly people, our beautiful land and our second-to-none women.

Being hard-headed, petulant children when it come to the flag issue isn't one of those proud moments. In time, I'm confident we'll all be on the same page now that our true heritage will be allowed to flourish.

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Posted by warwit on July 12, 2015 at 1:12 PM

Re: “Here’s how seven votes changed on the Confederate flag bill

The confederate army was the first to allow blacks to join as free men. Grant and Sherman continued to own slaves until 1865 well after the 13th amendment was signed(1863). Gen. Lee freed his slaves prior to the civil war. HMMMM

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Posted by truthrus on July 12, 2015 at 12:28 PM

Re: “Here’s how seven votes changed on the Confederate flag bill

The Confederate Army was the first to allow Black Men to join as FREE Men. Those no good racist, while Grant and Sherman continued to own slaves throughout the war and even after 1863 when the 13th amendment took effect,,,,oh yeah that"s right that only applied to the states who rebelled not the ones who did not and therefore did not apply to them! It was after the war when they were forced to free their slaves.

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Posted by truthrus on July 12, 2015 at 12:25 PM

Re: “Here’s how seven votes changed on the Confederate flag bill

"whew, good to know that racism is finally over now that the flag is down."

No one has ever claimed this would end racism. No one. Anywhere. Ever. You have to be obtuse because you are constantly on the losing side. I get it. But it's getting old.

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Posted by Ron Liberte on July 12, 2015 at 11:18 AM

Re: “Here’s how seven votes changed on the Confederate flag bill

"The truly proud and defiant Southern people, the ones who honor the real heritage of that flag"

I am still waiting for someone to tell me specifically what the heritage is and of what there is to be proud. People love the buzzwords, but no one seems to be able to explain what they mean. I'm all ears.

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Posted by Ron Liberte on July 12, 2015 at 11:16 AM

Re: “Here’s how seven votes changed on the Confederate flag bill

whew, good to know that racism is finally over now that the flag is down.

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Posted by Native76 on July 12, 2015 at 10:37 AM

Re: “Review: Zombie thriller 'The South Will Rise Again' delivers plenty of scares

OMG! I *desperately* need to see this!!!

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Posted by Erin Winslow on July 12, 2015 at 7:04 AM

Re: “Confederate flag defenders make quixotic last stand on S.C. Senate floor

"Words without actions are just that, words."

"I thought we were supposed to have dialogues about race"

Get back on your meds, Sybil. You're arguing with yourself.

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Posted by Jaxx on July 12, 2015 at 1:10 AM

Re: “South Carolina continues to neglect the I-95 corridor

As the governor said, the problem is that school funding is by local property tax. To provide equal protection to all the state's children, funding should be provided at the state level where all children are guaranteed equal protection.

Posted by Anthony J Jordan on July 11, 2015 at 10:34 PM

Re: “Confederate flag defenders make quixotic last stand on S.C. Senate floor

So I can't have a conversation about race?? Especially on race related columns??I thought we were supposed to have dialogues about race, now you tell me we aren't? ? Perhaps you would like a dialog as long as everyone agreed, which would accomplish nothing . Not everyone is going to agree with you so just get over it. I also wrote about hillary Clinton and Snowden and 21 million federal government employees hacked, did you see those with your myopic vision?? And in none of the race comments did i disparage any race. But your constant name calling invalidates any argument uou may have. As for your lack of helping blacks beside bitching on CCP you weren't able to answer any of my questions. You and landsnark are getting too weird, so bless your heart and have a nice life.

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Posted by Showmoor on July 11, 2015 at 10:28 PM

Re: “Confederate flag defenders make quixotic last stand on S.C. Senate floor

@showmoor, you really are a fucking idiot. I clicked on your name and scrolled through about 40 or so of the over 100 posts you've made on this site. Every damn post is on a race related article. You are a troll. And a fucking stupid one at that.

"You admitted that you do nothing else to curb racism"
You dreamed that, dipshit, because it never happened. My house is in order.

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Posted by Jaxx on July 11, 2015 at 9:39 PM

Re: “Confederate flag defenders make quixotic last stand on S.C. Senate floor

Landsnark, you are still having a problem with comprehension.I stated I was for taking the flag down. When I speak of doing nothing I am talking about posting on here while doing nothing else about the race problem. But let me ask, what did YOU do to help bring the flag down, besides post on here? Did you March on Columbia? Did you call your representative? As for the rest of your post about me being in the military, I have no idea who you think I am. I have never been a part of the military industrial complex. Also, I don't eat fast food. It kills.

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Posted by Showmoor on July 11, 2015 at 9:24 PM

Re: “Confederate flag defenders make quixotic last stand on S.C. Senate floor

You're right, Show Less. When as a whole community we condemn white supremacists into the embarrassed minority, we're doing nothing for race relations. You're right. There is NOTHING that can be done to help race relations in the American South. So to do anything is a total, absolute failure. If you do 1 thing, it has to fix it entirely, and if it doesn't, it's an absolute failure.
And also, doing anything to help your fellow South Carolinians and Americans who are black feel better, is simply PC bullshit, right? Cuz fuck them, right? Fuck them and their grandparents and their grandchildren and their lives. Right? Cuz it's all about you. You fix Jeeps in the military and the only thing that matters in the world is your uneducated opinion on things you don't nearly understand.
But, you've spent 15 years in government pay, so we have to listen to your embarrassing rhetoric. I have an idea. Get a job. Do SOMETHING that improves all our lives other than hate most of America while most of America pays for you to eat fast food.

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Posted by landsnark on July 11, 2015 at 8:52 PM
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