Carnival Cruise Lines Suck. The food sucks, the ships suck, the idiot activities suck. On a suck scale of 1-10 they have achieved maximum suckiness at 11. Ugh - floating Motel 6's, polluting as they chug along and all tax free. That really sucks.
I think the solution is to use Union Pier for what it was intended for and that is cargo. Now if you believe for one minute that the residents of downtown Charleston would welcome cargo ships at Union Pier and be any happier then I have some swamp land to sell you. The fact is these people won't ever be happy until Union Pier is developed with well appointed condominiums and stately walking parks that will not impede their views of the harbor and provide them a place to walk fido. Who are we kidding. These people are all elitist and have an expectation of what's best for the city as pertains to them!
Ms. Zimmerman proposes a legitimate question with this op-ed piece. The solutions, she and the Coastal Conservation League, wish to pursue are not going to be found by filing lawsuit after lawsuit against the cruise line. The change that they seek will be found in changing the law, rules and regulations by which the cruise industry operates. It is a well known fact that practically every major cruise line has a country outside of the boundaries of the US law and regulations listed as its 'home' country where it has established itself as a business entity. This is not merely a coincidence. Therefore, the CCL should directs its lobbying efforts to senators and state representatives if they wish to change the rules, regulations and law pertaining to the cruise industry.
Your back yard stephmcdonald!
Streetlaw, you are absolutely clueless. I suggest you do some homework. Carnival had a slight dip in profits, after treating passengers like crap, but rest assured, they have always made a nice profit.
I'm not sure the cruise industry would be interested in Charleston if we dropped passengers off elsewhere. What are the alternative locations you are referring to?
It is a matter of ethics or the lack there of and in some cases, arrogance and greed. Like CCP claims a certain circulation when trying to entice advertising dollars but really puts out tons of papers in racks around the lowcountry that no one ever reads. And the Post and Courier ignores laws against littering an blankets many neighborhood driveways with ad papers. As to the cruise industry, it really operates on a very narrow profit margin and takes all the breaks it can get. Often a cruise only makes money if a certain amount of money is spent on board. Of course the city of Charleston makes enough from passengers who come ashore to look the other way unless forced to do otherwise.
The Carnival Corporation benefits from the absence of regulation and goes as far as ignoring passenger safety in the interest of pursuing profits. There is no doubt that the cruise industry needs to abide by limits and standards. One such limit is that a cruise line not be allowed to board passengers and sail into a hurricane. On October 27, 2012, the Caribbean Princess, owned by Carnival, boarded passengers in Red Hook, Brooklyn and sailed into Hurricane Sandy. Voyage B 237 could not sail north, south or east and avoid the super storm. Passengers were given the cruel choice: Lose your money or risk your lives. Why was this allowed? For the same reason that Carnival's mega ships release toxic discharges into Charleston's air and waters -- because of lack of regulation. People who are thinking of booking a cruise should boycott ships owned by Carnival. Citizens should vote for candidates who are willing to enact laws to prevent abuses by cruise lines and cruise ships.
Mr. Crabtree flat out lied in this piece. He states that "the Family Research Council, which the SPLC calls a hate group simply because the faith-based group believes in traditional marriage. The same goes for Focus on the Family, another group opposing same-sex marriage."
Check the SPLC website yourself, they cite MANY reasons each group is labeled as a "hate group" by SPLC.
Really, Mr. Crabtree, if you have to lie to make your point and sell your rubbish, maybe you need to re-evaluate yourself and your opinions.
Clemson's exercise in "modernism" is simply a third rate hack's attempt to be relevant to an insecure group of copyists teaching fawning students. Clemson would pillory LeCourbousier or IM Pei while copying a building that is already 30 years out of date. That Charleston would even consider this building and that its 'leading' architects defend this copyist's work says more about them as copyists hired to 'draw' the newest Walmart big box buildings.
Thank you for presenting your view within the context of progress, an environment that "progressives" usually claim as their own, exclusively. As a member of the Baby Boomers, I have watched my generation flounder through one misled innovation after another. We seem to be forever enamored with innovations that prize novelty over beauty. We pretend (or maybe foolishly truly believe) that beauty is simply an attribute that the viewer brings to the building rather than the character of the architecture itself. We are servants to beauty, not it's creator. The consequences of our flawed thinking from the past century has blighted most of the this nation's cities. Charleston is an exception to this rule so far. I hope that Ms. Bevan and her peers are persuasive in opening the eyes of my backward-looking generation before we do for Charleston what we have done for so many other ugly cities in America.
“Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who happen to be walking about.” G. K. Chesterton
Leave the Cruising for the strip in Myrtle beach.
Leave the strippers & shore power alone!
Why won't the cruise industry commit to the kind of limit that Bryan mentioned. He is, after all, a big proponent representing the cruise industry's argument and he wants it. 1-2 ships per week is 75-100 per year, and I believe everybody would be happy if that limit was formally agreed upon.
Another poster mentioned Mobile, and that is a very relevant topic here. When taxpayers fund on-shore power and other cruise infrastructure, the cruise industry can take it or leave it. In Mobile, they left it, and the waste was massive. If you think that Charleston will be able to magically get a binding guarantee out of the cruise industry where other cities have not, you're dreaming.
"Speaking of automobile congestion, which pollutes more, cruise ship exhaust or exhaust from hundreds of automobiles if those same tourists came here by land?"
Cars will be polluting more CO2 overall, but the ship will be exhaling tons of HC, soot, and particulates, which is something most modern automobiles only release at a fraction of a ppm. The health hazards to the local population from things like ozone is a concern with increased ship traffic. Also, ship emission regulations are nothing like the strict regulations in the automotive world. I think we have had this discussion before, in the clean shore power article. I don't like more cruise ship traffic, but am not as concerned if they are using shore power.
Georgetown is a port that would KILL for the kind of business that would come with a busy cruise terminal, if Charleston's "too good" for such riff-raff. Send it on up. Would do another area of the state some good.
Maura: Thank you for your well thought out comments to my article. I've been on The Fantasy 5 times. And, since you've brought that inaccurate assumption that I'm too big of a snob to go on the Fantasy, I am not. However, you did a glowing portrayal of just how wonderful Charleston is. And, frankly, I'm embarrassed that you would not connect my sentiments as being directed at the fact that we have the worst ship in their fleet docked in the Best City for Tourism in America because we can't get our act together and attract more classy ships. Your arguments, while well presented and thoughtful, proved my points exactly. Thanks!
With 2 degrees in architecture, it is disappointing that the author hasn't looked more deeply into the construction methods and design of this proposal. She might be surprised by what isn't so obvious from the renderings...
'homogenization, abstraction, and standardization' is not quite how I would think one would describe curving structural concrete walls? It seems like this author is describing the bland Neo-colonial type buildings of the last couple decades seen all over the country. These buildings have been a disservice to the quality of historic structures in our city, and a blight on the perception of contemporary design. These ugly ducklings bring nothing to the conversation in terms of design style or sustainability, and are in sharp contrast to this proposal. A quick glance across George St in the picture above shows a building that is a more deserving recipient of this article; oddly enough it would have a smoother ride through the BAR and public discourse if built today.
Unfortunately this article reads more like a rant then a sensical discussion of the proposed project. Even her descriptions of her education credentials seem contrived.
"In any art form or field, and perhaps ESPECIALLY in architecture, it makes no sense to rule out or shun any approach."
Yet that's exactly what the author does. The hubris and zealotry in this opinion piece has had me equally riled and laughing the last day. It's the stuff usually reserved for politicians. That's just my opinion, though, I don't pretend to speak for my generation.
The hyperbole on all sides is entertaining. $9 million in health issues a year for Charleston residents? Ok. $37 million in revenue yearly from "the cruise industry" for "Charleston's economy." Ok. Prove both.
(However, it's cute how health issues only pertain to an infrequent cruise ship stop over, and not the port's busy activity)
Knick knack purveyors vs South of Broad blue bloods. Small town drama.
Also, explain this, "Welcome to Charleston, home of the No. 1 tourist destination in America." #1 in what regard, exactly? Due to an online reader's poll from the same magazine that miraculously listed Fiery Ron's Home Team Barbecue as the best ribs in the nation? Someone's hired the same kick ass PR firm stuffing ballot boxes.
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