More bullshit, artrogue. Romneycare is not limited to catastrophic coverage. Republicans like Jim DeMint were fine with mandating comprehensive coverage when Romney was touting his "market based" plan to eliminate the problem of "free-riders" in 2007 when he thought Hillary would win the nomination. Romneycare doesn't provide tax relief to all families but, like Obamacare, provides generous subsidies to individuals purchasing insurance through the exchanges and uses the tax code to penalize those who fail to purchase insurance. The death row conversion of the legal scholars at Heritage doesn't erase the Republican's history in crafting the law that Obamacare is based upon.
You are supporting people who are attacking and attempting to destroy our government. You are an enemy of the state by definition. How dare you say you love our nation!
Hate is a powerful word. I'm sure you don't really think that I hate my country.
We might have opposing opinions but one thing is for sure, as a conservative ..
..I love our Nation.
The truth is Heritage policy experts never supported an unqualified individual mandate like that in the PPACA [ObamaCare].
Their prior support for a qualified mandate was limited to catastrophic coverage (true insurance that is precisely what the PPACA forbids)
... coupled with tax relief for ALL families and other reforms that are conspicuously absent from the PPACA.
Since then, a growing body of research has provided a strong basis to conclude that any government insurance mandate is not only unnecessary, but is a bad policy option.
Moreover, Heritage’s legal scholars have been consistent in explaining that they consider the type of mandate in the PPACA as unconstitutional.
You are being deliberately obtuse, artrogue. The two candidates were talking about a law put into effect in Massachusetts. A law based on an idea (the individual mandate) that was introduced by a conservative think tank and that was supported by conservatives during the 1990s. The fact that spineless Republicans flip-flopped on the idea once it became the basis for Obamacare simply means they have no core principles guiding their behavior. The fact that you cannot acknowledge the well known history of the law means that you are either stupid or intellectually dishonest.
The American people chose Barack Obama over John McCain in large part because he promised healthcare reform. In his first term, Obama delivered the ACA over the evil forces of fanatical obstruction. Then in 2012 the American people chose Barack Obama over Mitt Romney in large part because he delivered healthcare reform.
Because conservatives don't agree with these choices of the American people, they are attempting to claim these choices aren't valid. The put forth bill after bill to nullify the choice of the American people. To conservatives, the only valid choices are the ones they vote for. Freedom is slavery to the Republican ideology.
Conservatives hate choice. Conservatives hate freedom. Conservatives hate America.
No reason to insult someone with opposing opinions what Starrynightdance posted is essentially true fish.
"You may be taking a clue from those in the policy making business but, contrary to what they seem to think, saying it doesn't make it so."
Heritage is a think tank. No Republicans voted for the law.
The debate between 2 candidates for office does not a law make.
I posted before how the polices that Heritage put forward does not bear much
resemblance to what became the ACA.
In any case , the left wants single payer and complete government control of healthcare. The ACA is just a step in that direction and the final goal of progressives.
NO true conservative wants that, either think tanks ,officeholders or candidates.
IN fact, the Majority of Americans do not want single payer. The left, as usual, is trying to push it down our throats. They think they know what is best for the rest of us...and we are just too dumb to realize it.
Progressives have no respect for the average American. That is both sad and alarming.
Freedom is choices.
Jesus, you people are stupid.
"Detached bureaucrats will always produce superior results over private sector "skin in the game" types, right?"
Behold the superior results of the private sector:
US healthcare ranks
39th in infant mortality
42nd in adult male mortality
43rd in adult female mortality
36th for life expectancy
1st in healthcare spending per capita
Yes, the private sector is obviously superior.
"The second sentence claims that "the GOP had essentially crafted the law over the past 20 years". I wish you had then included some, oh I don't know, facts to back this up."
Perhaps you should google Heritage Foundation Individual Mandate or maybe Romneycare if you are unfamiliar with the conservative history of healthcare policy. Here is an exchange during the 2012 Republican debates:
ROMNEY: Actually, Newt, we got the idea of an individual mandate from you.
GINGRICH: That’s not true. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.
ROMNEY: Yes, we got it from you, and you got it from the Heritage Foundation and from you.
GINGRICH: Wait a second. What you just said is not true. You did not get that from me. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.
ROMNEY: And you never supported them?
GINGRICH: I agree with them, but I’m just saying, what you said to this audience just now plain wasn’t true.
ROMNEY: OK. Let me ask, have you supported in the past an individual mandate?
GINGRICH: I absolutely did with the Heritage Foundation against Hillarycare.
ROMNEY: You did support an individual mandate?
ROMNEY: Oh, OK. That’s what I’m saying. We got the idea from you and the Heritage Foundation.
Rock-solid conservative principles.
I'm not registering for a damn thing unless it's to be on a death panel and then we'll get to yanking gray haired blue blocker wearing grandparents out of their land yachts to never be heard from again. HAHAHAHAAA!!! Then on to spandex wearing lance armstrong wannabes, the list never ends! The death panel must be employed and obeyed!! Ya'll better wake up.
The second sentence claims that "the GOP had essentially crafted the law over the past 20 years". I wish you had then included some, oh I don't know, facts to back this up. This is a really bold claim, especially since it's common knowledge that no Republicans voted for the law. You may be taking a clue from those in the policy making business but, contrary to what they seem to think, saying it doesn't make it so.
I also find it interesting that you reference Grayson's one page bill as an alternative. Certainly, Democrats could have passed that instead with just as much Republican support. But, I'm sorry to be the one to break this to you, Democrats aren't going to cut off the government's tax base. This is the reason tobacco companies aren't out of business. It's this myth of the caring liberals and evil conservatives that I encounter so much. Let's get real. The only people politicians care about are themselves.
Sorry mat , the conservatives had nothing to do with Obamacare, No GOP voted for it in the House or in the Senate.
Matter of fact . Pelosi would not allow any GOP in any of the meetings when they were forming the Bill,. so its all on the Democrats. Come 2014 I see many Democrats being replaced by Conservatives, in Both Houses. nice job you idiots.
Obama lied. Why put lied in parentheses?
"At your income level, insurance will either be free....."
Nothing is free. Someone else will be paying for it.
I guess that's the point, right?
When takers outnumber makers, the country is finished.
It's as simple as that.
When it comes to spying on Americans, the Federal government is perfectly capable of hiring private contractors to design robust computer systems capable of efficiently intercepting millions of phone calls and emails on a daily basis.
But with a three year head start, and what should be a limitless budget (Obama will spend whatever necessary to launch his baby), they are unable to build a working government version of "Priceline.com" for healthcare?
At least we can all rest easy with Sebelius' latest revelation - that convicted felons are not precluded from working as certified "navigators", and that one of their job functions will include gathering personal identity data from prospective enrolees.
Fear not. Your identity data is secure when stored in a government database. Just ask all those e-filers in South Carolina who are now recipients of free credit monitoring, because the state did such a good job of securing their credit card and social security numbers.
Big Government is the answer to everything.
Detached bureaucrats will always produce superior results over private sector "skin in the game" types, right?
Alicia, check out healthcare.gov At your income level, insurance will either be free or you will remain without insurance with no penalty because South Carolina did not expand medicaid. So you are either better off with ACA or thanks to SC, in the same boat you are in now.
You are right on target with this article. I make $10/hour and the law says that a policy that costs 9.5% of my salary is "affordable". I'd like to see the people involved in making the law work for insurance companies and not the people pay housing, food, and transportation on $9.35 an hour. And I am penalized if I do not accept health insurance that brings my salary so low I cannot afford living expenses. I lobbied for health care reform, but this is not what I lobbied for. It's what the insurance companies and corporate executives lobbied for
In testimony on Capitol Hill, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said, in response to a direct question: “Congresswoman, we have spent about $118 million on the website itself, and about $56 million has been expended on other IT to support the web.”
That adds up to $174 million.
Maybe you could show a little bit of consternation at such a waste of our money.
No matter someone's political leanings, government waste of our tax dollars should concern everyone.
It really is what most conservatives feel is best for the country and not scorin points or wins.
For liberals it is all about the agenda and stayin in power...they really don't care about the common man like they pretend too and this column shows it.
Have we forgotten what North Charleston did to the residents that lived on the property where the Coliseum and PAC are now located? This is not news how they treat poor people. Saying that...I live in Wando Woods and am glad to see the area cleaned up. My main concern is the additional traffic in and out of WW. I am not looking forward to the additional traffic going into and out of our neighborhood.
Cuba? And again with people walking in and taking "stuff." Not the point. In Cuba, the government owns the property. And they decide who may dwell there - exclusively. And they do so through an often corrupt state-run exchange called Permuta whereby two people with "rights" to fairly equal properties may get state approval to swap. Oh, and they are now doing away with this and allowing private property ownership because their system does not work in terms of the economy, value of property, or fair access for those not currently in the dwelling of their choosing.
A dwelling occupies the "dirt" and in order to have a residence, someone must have exclusive rights to that dirt. For that to happen, someone (private or government entity) must OWN the dirt. I don't want permanent "campers" in my backyard just because my dwelling doesn't cover all my "dirt" and I have no exclusive rights to that dirt.
Anyone who trusts the president and has belief in his policies is getting exactly what they deserve. A shame that so many other people are getting screwed in the mean time.
I support the ACA. However, I took the President at his word and expected to keep my policy and doctors. I thoughy the ACA would bring more choice. My only choice after cancellation is to accept a policy I cannot afford (rural resident with no subsidy, bronze premium 15%+ of gross income) that doesn't let me see my doctors and has much higher deductibles and out-of-pocket maximums.
Democrats need to support grandfathering all plans in existence in 2013, as proposed by Senator Landrieu (D), and take the issue off the table before facing two years of "you lied" heading toward the ballot box.
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