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Comment Archives: Stories: News+Opinion: Public Policy LTD.

Re: “Charleston Water System goes to bat for HomeServe

This action by CWS might, just might, lower my water bill. It also reinforces my decision long ago to subscribe to all the coverage offered by HomeServe (exterior water service line, exterior sewer/septic line, and interior plumbing & drainage.

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Posted by arty on January 21, 2015 at 3:59 PM

Re: “Charleston Water System goes to bat for HomeServe

The regular monthly meeting of the CWS Board of Commissioners is Tues, Jan 27, 9AM at 103 St. Philip St.
For more info: 843-727-7150 or www.charlestonwater.com

This is the time and place for inquiring minds to demand answers.

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Posted by ImFromHere on January 21, 2015 at 8:44 AM

Re: “Michelin head puts Haley in an uncomfortable spot

I think that the real irony here is that a higher gas tax will likely actually hurt Michelin more in the long run than if they had simply fronted the money to personally revamp the roads. Those living with poverty are already far less likely to purchase new tires or replace aging tires in a timely manner. A gas tax hike will make them push their rubber even further, and virtually eliminate their consumption of Michelin tires. Shockingly, I don't think Selleck has thought his cunning plan all the way through.

Posted by AlexM on January 17, 2015 at 11:15 AM

Re: “Outfitting police officers with body cameras is a bad idea

The law was just passed in Illinois and it is in regards to secretly recording police. Photography is absolutely legal everywhere in public. No person, government employee or otherwise, can have a reasonable expectation of privacy when they are in public.

Again, photography is not a crime.

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Posted by bar hero on January 13, 2015 at 6:09 PM

Re: “Outfitting police officers with body cameras is a bad idea

Bar Hero - That's actually not true. Chicago had a law on the books (I believe it was struck down by the state supreme court, or possibly a federal circuit) making it a crime to film or photograph police officers, prosecuted under wiretapping rules. And though it was struck down, the legislature is trying to pass a replacement. Either way, photography is NOT legal everywhere in public, though it should be.

Posted by AlexM on January 13, 2015 at 10:41 AM

Re: “Outfitting police officers with body cameras is a bad idea

Fish - "There are currently laws against filming the police in NYC. The guy who filmed the Eric Gardner homicide was arrested and convicted for taking those pictures."

That is totally false. You can film anything you see if you are in public. NYC or elsewhere. Photography is not a crime. The photographer was arrested later on a weapons charge.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/04/nyregion/after-recording-eric-garner-chokehold-ramsey-orta-gets-charged-with-gun-possession.html

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Posted by bar hero on January 13, 2015 at 10:25 AM

Re: “Outfitting police officers with body cameras is a bad idea

Cost doesn't seem like a good excuse not to have them. If paying $1 out of my paycheck every month even saves one life, or brings a criminal (police or private citizen) to justice, then it was money well spent. Mat is just trolling.

Posted by brewengineer on January 13, 2015 at 6:48 AM

Re: “Outfitting police officers with body cameras is a bad idea

"118 cops were killed in the line of duty last year. 59 were murdered. How many garbage men were murdered on the job last year?"


How many innocent citizens have been abused by authoritarian police abusing their authority?

Millions. Cameras NOW!

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Posted by Saildude on January 9, 2015 at 7:56 AM

Re: “Outfitting police officers with body cameras is a bad idea

The use of cameras and cell phones is the reason we have footage of that attack in Paris. And the guys in Boston. Not to mention 9/11, which was pre-camera phone.

There are currently laws against filming the police in NYC. The guy who filmed the Eric Gardner homicide was arrested and convicted for taking those pictures. It was also a big issue during Occupy Wall Street. This is clearly morally wrong.

The cost of body cameras is not the cameras themselves, but of all the storage space required to download and keep HD footage of every doughnut and cup of coffee consumed by the entire police force for a rolling month or whatever. Still, I don't find that argument convincing. The costs are minimal for the added transparency.

A security camera is pointless right up until you need it.

On the other hand, no more police discretion when the camera is rolling. No letting the white kids off when they get caught with that joint. No more getting that snitch to talk when the red light is on. Cameras will force the police to arrest everyone for everything.

I'm undecided but leaning camera.

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Posted by Fish Pimp on January 8, 2015 at 10:31 PM

Re: “Outfitting police officers with body cameras is a bad idea

Body cameras may help curb the unchecked aggression of violent criminals, and the people they arrest too.

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Posted by Ron Liberte on January 8, 2015 at 8:57 PM

Re: “Outfitting police officers with body cameras is a bad idea

I agree with Jaxx that these officers were murdered. By the same token, black men are at much higher risk than other races of being murdered by the police. It's homicide.

The police have the authority to kill a minority. Cube's words are as true today as they were over 25 years ago.

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Posted by Fish Pimp on January 8, 2015 at 7:26 PM

Re: “Outfitting police officers with body cameras is a bad idea

Statistics show that those who believe common sense is far more likely to be incorrect than correct are 99% more likely to have no common sense.

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Posted by Jaxx on January 8, 2015 at 6:47 PM

Re: “Outfitting police officers with body cameras is a bad idea

Jaxx - The kind of death involved is absolutely meaningless. Dead is dead. Let's say you had a best friend that you really cared about, or better yet a family member. Would you be more sad if he died in a homicide or an accident? If you wanted to keep that person safe, would you rather he become a logger or a police officer?

Arguing from emotion is great, except that you're wrong. So so very wrong. Police officers are in no more danger of being killed than you or I.

Common sense, by the way, is far more likely to be incorrect than correct. It's just yet another way of saying "I'd rather stick to my beliefs, no matter how wrong, than admit that I made a mistake." Being a police officer is, by and large, safe and boring. There is literally nothing you can factually refute that with. And I actually mean literally. There is not a single fact that states that being a police officer is significantly more dangerous than not being a police officer. Because it isn't. And it would actually be a lot safer, except that most police officers who end up dying are fairly new to the force and break procedure. The average length of service for a police officer killed in the line of duty is just over a year - just enough time to get over the "I'm a rookie and have to do everything by the book" phase, and not quite enough time for the "I've been doing this long enough that I know what to look out for" phase.

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Posted by AlexM on January 8, 2015 at 6:14 PM

Re: “Outfitting police officers with body cameras is a bad idea

No hero worship here, just not stupid enough to believe that cops "have boring, safe jobs". You can use statistics to show just about anything you want.

The main threat to garbage men/roofers/loggers/pilots, etc.(admittedly all dangerous jobs, I never argued that)while on the job is having an accident.

The main threat to a cop on duty is being murdered by another human being.

Statistics may not distinguish between the two, but a little common sense certainly does. Something you are clearly lacking.

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Posted by Jaxx on January 8, 2015 at 5:41 PM

Re: “Outfitting police officers with body cameras is a bad idea

Actually I assume that the police are doing a lot less bad things than they are being accused of and video evidence could bear this out. And when they are doing bad things there will be more evidence to prosecute them and get them out of law enforcement.

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Posted by nofaith on January 8, 2015 at 4:57 PM

Re: “Outfitting police officers with body cameras is a bad idea

Many oppose the cameras as addressing symptoms nut not problems.
Pushing cameras assumes people just want to do bad things - cops and citizens - and watching them will make them behave.
That's pretty cool - living in a society where people have to be watched by government officials. In the end they'll realize they love Big Brother.

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Posted by Mso1 on January 8, 2015 at 3:55 PM

Re: “Outfitting police officers with body cameras is a bad idea

I don't know the statistics but I remember years ago when I was in the life insurance business that police officers, firemen and members of the military were not charged higher premiums.

According to a couple of top ten lists from a quick google search, garbage men are in the fifth most dangerous job right behind roofers, pilots, fishermen and loggers.

Where these cameras would come in handy is prevention or reduction of lawsuits and appeals, especially the frivolous ones. If Darren Wilson had a camera Ferguson would have been quiet for the last half a dozen months.

It is bizarre to see mat try and argue against it, quite poorly at that, based on government being fiscally responsible. I guess since someone might actually make some money off it that is evil enough for him.

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Posted by nofaith on January 8, 2015 at 3:06 PM

Re: “Outfitting police officers with body cameras is a bad idea

Jaxx - Statistically? About the same number, though probably not "in the line of duty". But garbagemen don't really get murdered. They just fall into trash compactors, get stuck in heavy machinery, have dumpsters fall on them, contract life-ending conditions from toxic waste, etc.

But more importantly, 59. How many police officers are active in the country at any one time? According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, in 2008 (oddly, the last year they have numbers for that I could find with minimal searching) there were 593,000 active police personnel. So 59 were murdered out of 590 THOUSAND. Sure, every life is precious, etc. etc., but that's a rate of .0099%. That's .99 murders per every TEN THOUSAND. To put that into perspective, Charleston had a murder rate of .97 per 10,000 in 2012. So the average police officer has the same chance of being murdered as you do just by living in Charleston, SC.

So do you feel like you're in danger just by living in Charleston? You're in just as much a danger of homicide as an average police officer. Sort of, statistics aren't quite that simple, but it's good enough to make the point.

The bigger issue here is that it's ridiculous that you see this as some sort of insult or slight to police officers. We should WANT police officers to have boring, safe jobs. That's sort of been the point of thousands of hours invested in training and research. A lot of very smart people have invested a LOT of time and money into making it one of the safer occupations you can be in. So why are you pissing away all of their hard work? Is it because it forces you to remove your authoritarian hero-worship blinders and admit that there is no excuse for the extensive over-reach and over-arming of local police departments in the last couple of decades?

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Posted by AlexM on January 8, 2015 at 12:06 PM

Re: “Outfitting police officers with body cameras is a bad idea

"Speaking of paying for body cams, those are your tax dollars that are going directly from your pocket to the pockets of private corporations building these systems and offering this training."

Which is the same for police cars, uniforms, radios, guns, and anything else the police use.

Jaxx - your point is taken regarding police fatality on the job rates. I bet if you looked up taxi drivers, though, you would see similar figures in terms of murders on the job. Maybe more?

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Posted by Cid95 on January 8, 2015 at 3:09 AM

Re: “Outfitting police officers with body cameras is a bad idea

this article doesn't make sense. are we suddenly worried about spending money?
It would help keep everyone, especially criminals making false charges, honest.

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Posted by martin stuart on January 8, 2015 at 2:29 AM
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