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Re: “The Agenda: Emanuel fund nears $1 million; Woman removes Statehouse Confederate flag; Emanuel Nine funerals continue

The gorget (Yes, it's all about heritage. And spelling. Heritage and Spelling.) on the flag was well known then as it is now.

Anyway, I assume you are in favor of getting rid of a flag which was specifically adopted in Jan, 1861 by a secessionist government to represent a political entity splitting from the union with slavery as a main cause? It is, after all, flying over our statehouse.

But as long as the Dukes of Hazzard aren't on TV, why bother right?

Posted by Cid95 on June 29, 2015 at 11:37 PM

Re: “The Agenda: Emanuel fund nears $1 million; Woman removes Statehouse Confederate flag; Emanuel Nine funerals continue

And, of course, the flag was based on the Moultrie Flag from the Revolution with the crescent representing the silver gauget on Moultrie's unit uniforms. And it's interesting that the Sovereignty Flag, not officially adopted, and the Secession Banner raised over the Customs House the morning after the Ordinance of Secession was ratified had corrupted the gauget into a crescent moon, now the commonly misunderstood meaning of the crescent. Did the Secessionists not know the historical meaning of their own flag? Because, of course, it's all about heitage...

Posted by Ima Oldman on June 29, 2015 at 11:11 PM

Re: “The Agenda: Emanuel fund nears $1 million; Woman removes Statehouse Confederate flag; Emanuel Nine funerals continue

Of course, the present SC flag was created specifically as a national flag for the Republic of South Carolina after we seceded, alone, from the Union in Dec, 1860. It was used as such until the CSA was formed and SC joined.

Posted by Cid95 on June 29, 2015 at 10:20 PM

Re: “The Agenda: Dignitaries converge on Charleston for funeral; Gay marriage ruled constitutional right

"With the recent supreme court ruling, How long before a church like AME Emmanuel is FORCED to have LGBT clergy? Perform marriages? Even though maybe 90% of the congregation are opposed due to their religious beliefs."
I wouldn't worry about that too much, the ruling only applies to government entities. The only ones who even "think" otherwise are the television Republicans, who as usual are making their living trying to frighten people.
The houses of superstition will go on as usual, doing pretty much whatever they want, in their buildings subsidized by our tax dollars; and pretending that they should not pay taxes like any other business.
And some will even pretend that the government no longer discriminating against the gay folk is somehow a "war on religion".

Posted by TROLLSLAYER on June 29, 2015 at 10:20 PM

Re: “MUSC housekeeping crew volunteered to clean up at Emanuel AME

bless their hearts. such love.

Posted by deaconsbench on June 29, 2015 at 8:27 PM

Re: “The Agenda: Emanuel fund nears $1 million; Woman removes Statehouse Confederate flag; Emanuel Nine funerals continue

I've long advocated removal of the flag from the Statehouse grounds. As I've posted many times, even Robert E Lee wanted the flag to be rolled up and stored away never to be unrolled again. Those that advocate heritage should respect this.

Unfortunately trying to erase history is doomed to failure.
Haters are going to continue no matter what we do. Only yesterday, i saw a pickup truck flying down Rivers Avenue with a 4 foot version of the CSA national flag rising out the back of the bed. We can debate the drivers intent, but I believe it was to stick a thumb in the eye of those of us that oppose them. No doubt they think since its not the Battle Flag it is less offensive.

Our energies to fight this ignorance has to be focused on education and the youth. Hopefully one day, all this, will be long behind us.

Posted by artrogue on June 29, 2015 at 7:08 PM

Re: “The Agenda: Dignitaries converge on Charleston for funeral; Gay marriage ruled constitutional right

So happy I'm the focus of your post. Instead of my cut and paste content.

i know you loves me.

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Posted by artrogue on June 29, 2015 at 6:26 PM

Re: “The Agenda: Dignitaries converge on Charleston for funeral; Gay marriage ruled constitutional right

Just a simple question.

Thinking that maybe some other people besides the normal left wing intellgentsia, posting on here, might have an answer or opinion. oh well.

Your exactly right lee, it doesn't matter. Or it shouldn't matter.
It is none of our business. Nor should it be the business of the federal government.
Yet we, as the government, have made it our business.

With the recent supreme court ruling, How long before a church like AME Emmanuel is FORCED to have LGBT clergy? Perform marriages? Even though maybe 90% of the congregation are opposed due to their religious beliefs.

I was not questioning anyone's compassion. We all have compassion for their tragedy, well at least those of us not filled with hate. The entire community has come together.

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Posted by artrogue on June 29, 2015 at 6:23 PM

Re: “Watch President Barack Obama sing "Amazing Grace" during the eulogy for Clementa Pinckney in Charleston

as far as Joe Bialeks comments, the 2nd amendments holds up all our other amendments. The national guard is the government, they only answer to the government. The gun used in this crime was not new technology, its been around for more than a hundred years. They didn't just have muskets when our nation was born, people had multiple shot weapons and the founders knew that. They weren't stupid, I don't agree with the argument the founders didn't know there wouldn't be better weapons.

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Posted by redblood on June 29, 2015 at 2:29 PM

Re: “Watch President Barack Obama sing "Amazing Grace" during the eulogy for Clementa Pinckney in Charleston

Watching the president politicize the funeral by singing made me sick to my stomach and left a horrible taste in my mouth. I doubt a head of state has ever looked so weak and stupid as him while he was singing. It sounded terrible and was to relate to blacks because is catching a lot of flack from them in the press. I have never seen anything so contrived and unnatural in all of my life. Sickening, he doesn't give two sh%^& about those victims.

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Posted by redblood on June 29, 2015 at 2:17 PM

Re: “Watch President Barack Obama sing "Amazing Grace" during the eulogy for Clementa Pinckney in Charleston

Joe, well put. It is good to read someone has read the constitution and doesn't misquote it.

Posted by Dawn Mitchell on June 29, 2015 at 9:26 AM

Re: “The Agenda: Dignitaries converge on Charleston for funeral; Gay marriage ruled constitutional right

'exactly.'

It is irrelevant. I can be compassionate to their plight irrespective of their political beliefs.

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Posted by leemajors on June 28, 2015 at 6:28 PM

Re: “The Agenda: Dignitaries converge on Charleston for funeral; Gay marriage ruled constitutional right

I believe artrogue is insinuating that "liberals" shouldn't be supportive of the Emanuel families because, historically, the AME church is anti-LGBTQ. Or something.

Hard to tell what he's on about when he's not cutting and pasting.

Then again, it's hard to tell what the people whose work he's stealing are on about most of the time as well.

Anyway, it's not like he's actually going to come out and *say* anything. He's of the Glenn Beck "I'm just asking questions" or "I'm just saying" school of political discourse.

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Posted by mat catastrophe on June 28, 2015 at 5:35 PM
Posted by pugnax on June 28, 2015 at 4:07 PM

Re: “Watch President Barack Obama sing "Amazing Grace" during the eulogy for Clementa Pinckney in Charleston

This letter is in response to the coverage of the fatal shooting at Emmanuel
AME Church in Charleston, South Carolina and the subsequent surge of
momentum to take down the Confederate Flag from all public and private places.

The second amendment of the United States Constitution states: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Obviously the need for a state militia has been replaced by the National Guard and Coast Guard whereby trained military personnel are entrusted with the defense of this country against domestic enemies. Their weapons are tightly controlled and safeguarded.


The only two reasons for a citizen to own a firearm are for hunting or defense of the household from intruders. In either case, ownership of a handgun, shotgun or rifle is more than adequate to satisfy these purposes. There is absolutely no need for any U.S. civilian to own any weapon more powerful or sophisticated than these.

Accordingly, all handguns, shotguns and rifles must be licensed and registered to the degree necessary to match weapon to owner at the click of a computer key. Furthermore, we must guarantee that the mentally ill do not gain access to them under any circumstances. Finally, if we had prohibited the purchase of more sophisticated weapons several innocent victims would not have died or been harmed at shopping malls, college campuses, Congressional meetings and now churches.

As for the Confederate Flag I agree that it should be removed from all
government buildings because it is neither a national nor state flag. But the outpouring of yanking it {no pun intended} from everywhere else seems a bit extreme. Neither the flag used by the Army of Northern Virginia nor the official flag of the Confederacy had anything to do with being a symbol of pro slavery but rather was the colors adopted by men who chose to fight for the preservation of state’s rights against what was perceived as the growing encroachment of the Federal Government. Slavery may have been the straw that finally broke the Union’s back but it was the wealthy plantation owners who stood to lose most from the loss of their “peculiar institution.” Instead of following the North’s industrial push they left themselves behind only to be crushed by a more powerful enemy. Billy Yank and Johnny Reb did not enlist {or get drafted} into their respective armies to aid or oppose slavery; they did it because from each side’s point of view it was the right thing to do. The ending of slavery was just a positive result stemming from the outcome of America’s second revolutionary war. Everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinion of the Civil War but fortunately they are not entitled to their own facts.

Joe Bialek
Cleveland, OH

"Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was
once eccentric." Bertrand Russell

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Posted by Joe Bialek on June 28, 2015 at 4:01 PM
Posted by artrogue on June 28, 2015 at 1:43 PM

Re: “The Agenda: Dignitaries converge on Charleston for funeral; Gay marriage ruled constitutional right

"How does the congregation of Mother Emanuel AME Church feel about same sex marriage?"

Who cares?

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Posted by leemajors on June 28, 2015 at 1:33 PM

Re: “The Agenda: Dignitaries converge on Charleston for funeral; Gay marriage ruled constitutional right

How does the congregation of Mother Emanuel AME Church feel about same sex marriage?

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Posted by artrogue on June 28, 2015 at 10:11 AM

Re: “The Agenda: Dignitaries converge on Charleston for funeral; Gay marriage ruled constitutional right

And now is when, instead of conceding defeat and going back into their holes, the Tea Party crowd will start screaming about highly unlikely scenarios in which their rights will be attacked.

Creating problems that don't exist and raising hell about stuff that has the smallest chance of occuring. It's why we're in this mess in the first place.

Let's see if our mouthbreathing brothers have learned anything.

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Posted by warwit on June 27, 2015 at 4:19 PM

Re: “The Agenda: Dignitaries converge on Charleston for funeral; Gay marriage ruled constitutional right

Treating all people with respect and dignity is an assault on religion, or so says the Republicans.

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on June 27, 2015 at 3:52 PM
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