"if you cannot discern the difference between "helpless" and "useless" I seriously question how you are able to live your day to day life."
I'm just curious how you differentiate between the two. I'm guessing it's a sliding scale based on a person's melanin levels.
leemajors and ron liberte - if you cannot discern the difference between "helpless" and "useless" I seriously question how you are able to live your day to day life. Don't knock your empty little noggins crawling back under your rocks.
factoryconnection - I would guess that Volvo is going to be paying wages competitive to BMW up the road. Their average salary for production workers is $52k per year. Assuming 50k and 2k employees the 200M, part of which will be used to redo the intersection, would be paid back purely by the income taxes generated by those jobs in 28 years. Assume that they spend half of their income on sales taxable items and that number cuts roughly in half. Add management and technical salaries into the mix that number goes down even faster and then when you start to calculate the economic impact of those salaries (~$100m just in factory floor employees) it just keeps getting to be a better and better investment. Part of that $200M was from Santee Cooper to buy the large area Volvo will use a small portion of as an industrial park, the rest will be leased or sold to other related businesses. I would rather not have to have incentives at all but that is the landscape that we are playing in right now in competing to get economic growth for the state. I would hate to have lost the economic impact that we have gotten from having Boeing because we looked purely at a direct dollar return static model for the year the deal was signed and not the big picture. The $1B that was given in incentives now generates $3B in local Boeing direct and indirect employee salaries alone annually. According to one report Boeing is responsible for $11B a year in economic activity, so in one year they are 10 times the incentive package. That and this is what the liberals want, government spending money to create jobs.
"War that America fights in has a thing called the Geneva Convention which we play by."
Please show me the section of the Geneva Convention that approves of waterboarding and the freak show atrocities that were committed at Abu Ghraib.
Volvo building a plant in Berkeley county is good news but the borrowing our state will do is serious business with a serious cost to the rest of us.
Based on the numbers I read earlier this week, the 2000 jobs slated for the Volvo plant this decade carry a public debt burden of $75K each. Most of those jobs will be production-line types probably making between $12-20/hr or $24-40K/year. Yes they will buy things and pay sales tax, yes they will pay income taxes, and some may even buy property with the requisite property taxes. However, what is the ROI period for someone making $32K/year to return $75K to the state? And that is ignoring the impact costs of traffic, new schools, access roads and drainage to new developments to support the 8000 or so people in those families.
So where does the balance come into the ledger? Higher fees for everything, delays in road repairs, more "temporary" sales taxes to fund road construction projects that are 5-10 years behind schedule, and of course because it is such a waste of money: cutting education. TRIUMPH.
I love how people act like those on welfare are just hoarding their benefit money in some utopian vacuum. They are spending it which supports the economy and jobs. And contrary to what you hear on Fox News, most people receiving government support still work or actively seek work. But that narrative doesn't provide the requisite outrage that for some reason the right deems necessary to have about all things all the time.
"The thing that liberals are too stupid to understand is that conservatives want to help the helpless, not the useless"
That sounds like a line you stole from AM talk radio. What does it even mean? It frightens me that people truly think in this nonsensical manner.
The P&C article about Volvo compares the SC business climate to Mexico, thus the reason for them selecting this state. That's a great standard to be held to and should tell you all you need to know about how corporations view this state (and country) and its workforce. So we have the business climate of a third world county! Hooray! But the benevolent job creators won't be truly happy until we have the working conditions of a third world country too.
This is why I can no longer register as a republican. It used to be the party of rational intelligence. Now it is a laughingstock.
The saddest part of all this is that there are sensible Republican politicians out there who actually have a pulse on reality, but the Republican party will never let them see the light of day because the fringe nutjobs are the ones that seem to draw the money. I would like to know if the biggest financial backers of the Republican clown car are Warren Buffett and George Soros because the GOP allowing guys like this to take the spotlight is like a liberal trojan horse plot to destroy the GOP.
Yes, because we inhabit a dichotomous reality where corporate welfare and corporate exile are our only choices.
It's certainly unreasonable to think a corporation that will make billions of dollars from our labor should pay their fair share of taxes to upgrade the infrastructure they are about to destroy, isn't it?
Thanks for straightening me out, I was getting taken in by the bourgeoisie propaganda about jobs from Volvo and their suppliers. Can you believe it, some people actually said the Volvo payroll will be of some benefit to the area?
I knew that if I came here I would avoid getting sucked in by all this BS.
We need to get BMW, Volvo, Boeing, Mercedes, MeadWestvaco etc OUT of SC, NOW!
This is worth shutting the bridge down for.
Referring to the less fortunate as 'useless' because you'd rather give the money to multibillion dollar corporations highlights your lack of empathy, and inability to understand why social safety nets are needed.
A corporation should invest in itself, with its own profits, and not depend on local governments bribing them into the area with tax breaks. (See also SCE&G raising rates continually to fund nuclear development, but without disrupting stock prices)
Unfortunately, none of this will ever sink in for you. Your simplistic attitude toward the poor is a symptom of a more sinister sociopathy--deeply instilled by that smirking cowboy wannabe that destroyed the working class in 1980.
"Get a job or starve" is not a helpful or constructive way to approach poverty, and it is none of your business to determine what they 'need' while they're on government assistance. Institutional factors, generational poverty, mental illness, addiction...all things you continue to ignore for the sake of your own righteous indignation.
My original comment that you evidently are incapable of comprehending had several logical points. Since you couldn't understand it the first time (it was pretty simple and straightforward, I try not to use big words talking to liberals) it is pointless (illogical) to try and explain it to you again.
I've yet to see you reply meaningfully to anyone--you just repeat the same line about being ignorant and illogical.
If you're so logical and well-informed, debate your point. That seems unlikely, however.
leemajors - If I thought it would serve a purpose I would thoughtfully reply to your insipid comment. But, after seeing you in action here for awhile I know that it will not. You are too ignorant and too ill informed to have an intelligent or anything bordering on a rational conversation.
Ted Cruz--everyone's favorite superstitious, doe-eyed fucktard running for president on a platform of hate and hypocrisy.
I can't wait for debate season.
nofaith--You should be concerned that Volvo is creating hundreds of millions of dollars in tax deficits all for the honor of destroying our roads and increasing rail demand within our state.
Volvo coming here is a great thing if you're unemployed and need a job. It's a bad thing if you already have a job and drive a car on our crumbling roads.
But I'm sure Haley will spin this into a huge win. Volvo gets hundreds of millions of dollars in tax-breaks and an unorganized third-world workforce with draconian labor laws to boot.
Furthermore, who the fuck are you to tell someone what to buy with their government assistance? The myth of the 'welfare queen' lives on. Go fuck yourself.
Nah, I leave comedy to liberals. Making jokes, pretty songs and pretty pictures they are pretty good at. Actually running anything and getting a positive result, not so much.
nofaith, I look forward to seeing you at the next comedy club open-mike night
But when someone uses their EBT card to buy a cut of steak that people not receiving help from the government to buy their food wouldn't be able to budget for they are not creating anything, they are just taking. Likely taking something that they don't really need, otherwise they would not blow a huge chunk of their budget on extravagant items. Volvo is taking the incentives they are getting and creating a huge amount of jobs and future revenue. The people you are defending won't even create revenue for themselves much less to employee massive amounts of other people. The thing that liberals are too stupid to understand is that conservatives want to help the helpless, not the useless. Helping the useless is a way to keep people down and dependent and keep getting re elected because you are the sugardaddy with the free candy.
Fishhead, I will point you in the direction of the politicians for your complaints on wars in places like Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq, don't blame the military for those. Most of the time their hands are tied. Thanks for the consitution lesson but I still ask who your creator is as it is probably not the same as a lot of peoples.
As for flying planes into buildings Ron, don't confuse terorism with war. War that America fights in has a thing called the Geneva Convention which we play by. Fucking terrorists who hide behind masks and behead civilians and fly into buildings are not combatants in war they are fucking evil in its purest form.
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