So umm Sark, then what are those replaced by the machines going to do once the machines are doing their jobs?
ha ha, a bunch of privileged ppl talking like they know anything about growing up having nothing. you can ask for a raise but they can't???
"So it's better for people to be unemployed than work low paying jobs?"
Did I say that? No. If more and more work can be don't by machines, than there's less work that humans have to do. Which is a good thing. The problem is that the wealth from those automated processes are accruing to a tiny subset of the population instead of to society at large.
"Where did I go wrong?"
You met Buddha on the road, and you didn't kill him.
I didn't see any Chic-fil-a people protesting. Why do you suppose that is? It's ironic how they defy the "fast food" stereotype and manage to recruit exponentially better people to do the exact same jobs.
"I did not get a degree in Black Studies or Gay History in America or any number of absolutely useless degrees many have received "
My advisor in college referred to these as degrees in "underwater basket weaving".
I have to wonder why solicitors or anybody else would not want the bad apples weeded out of their profession.
"That's what we should be aiming for: automating as much mundane work as possible so humans don't have to do it."
So it's better for people to be unemployed than work low paying jobs?
"People who have families to support don't have that luxury."
I have a family, and I refused to even get married before I could support my family.
"Than you can volunteer to work for less if you don't think you're worth more."
That doesn't really make any sense. You being complete irrational here and allowing emotions to get in the way of common sense.
"That is exactly why you do not have a family that YOU cannot support."
Wow, we agree on something. Birth control is cheap and readily available.
I will repeat my comment above. I do think these people are worth more than the current minimum wage. $15 an hour is a silly request. If you want support, be reasonable.
"people who have families to support don't have that luxury". That is exactly why you do not have a family that YOU cannot support.
"No. I never thought I was underpaid working as a researcher."
Than you can volunteer to work for less if you don't think you're worth more. People who have families to support don't have that luxury.
I would love it if we automated jobs like fast food. I don't know why you're presenting that as some doomsday scenario. That's what we should be aiming for: automating as much mundane work as possible so humans don't have to do it.
WOW, Strom, that is some good analysis.....
"Do you all understand how negotiation works? You ask for the moon than negotiate for something less. The $15/hr is a negotiation starting point. If an employer meets them in the middle in the $11.50 range that's a huge win. Whereas if they started with a "reasonable" demand they'd end up settling for something even less. I hope none of you are buying a car any time soon."
No. If you want people to support your demands, you go for a reasonable rate. When I am buying a car, I don't offer half the asking price for the car. Just like you don't ask for 2x minimum wage. If the demand was like $9 an hour, I would probably get behind that.
"If I hear one more person say "but my [better/more important than MacDonalds] job only pays [x], they don't deserve as much as me!" I'm going to scream. You're underpaid too dumbass! Instead of trying to keep those with a little less than you down, why not try standing up together?"
No. I never thought I was underpaid working as a researcher.
I started as a $2.50 minimum wage worker at Taco Bell back when Glenn Bell was the sole owner. I was told that if I did well after 3 weeks I would get a raise. I did well, I got a raise. I was told if I offered to work the odd hours, I would get paid more hours and be considered for a higher rate. I did and they paid me more. I became a shift manager and they paid me more. I became an assistant manager and they paid me more and benefits. I became a manager and they paid me more. I became a traveling trainer opening new Taco Bells and training staff and managers. I made sure every new employee knew where I started. I then quit and went back to school to get a degree in something that I was told was marketable. I did not get a degree in Black Studies or Gay History in America or any number of absolutely useless degrees many have received from these so called schools (yes I include South Carolina and C of C!). Now I make a nice little living and I get to wake up everyday working in a field I love doing a job I enjoy.
Where did I go wrong?
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/justice/cnn-fi… This is why we need solicitor oversight!
There are only two ways to pay employees more money:
Raise prices and profit margins to make up the difference, which simply passes the financial burden on to the customer, or do the same amount work with fewer, more highly compensated employees.
I guess the third option would be replacing whiny, undependable and expensive human beings with machines, a practice which is gaining momentum every year.
Bank tellers were replaced with ATM's.
Video rental clerks were replaced with Redbox's.
Auto detailers were replaced with Laser Wash 4000's.
Does it matter if your bacon cheeseburger is cooked, assembled, wrapped, bagged and handed to you by a machine? Tomorrow's high paying jobs at Mickey D's will be for the engineers who assemble and maintain the 24 hour a day food service robots. These fools going on strike will only hasten the day when they can be replaced by a machine.
Do the math.
Pretend you own a fast food franchise and need to staff a position (assembling hamburgers, for example) for 24 hours a day, 365 days a year at $15 per hour. You are going to spend $15 x 24 x365 = $131,400 per year to fill that position.
Since a single person can't work 24/7/365, you will need to hire enough people to cover that job function. A forty hour work week with two weeks vacation works out to 2,000 hours (40 x 50 = 2,000 hours). But you need to staff that position 24/7/365 (24 x 365 = 8,760 hours), meaning you will need 4.38 full time workers to do that job. And now that Obamacare forces you to provide health insurance for full time employees, it is more likely that 10 to 12 part timers will be needed to fill that one position.
Now, along comes Sammy Slick, the salesman from Acme Robot's hamburger flipping division. He offers you a hamburger assembling robot that costs a half million dollars. It can assemble an equal or greater number of burgers than a human being, and can do so with greater consistency. The robot can be easily reconfigured as new menu options become available, and it has a functional lifespan of 6 years. A quick bit of math will tell you that the human beings will cost you $788,400 over a six year period, but the robot will only cost $500,000 over the same period of time.
The decision is a no brainer, especially when you consider that the robot won't call in sick, won't pilfer your consumables, won't engage in inappropriate behavior with other employees, and won't go on strike or complain about an "unfair" wage. Furthermore, you won't need to do the tedious book keeping, have to worry about keeping the position filled, or providing the robot with health insurance. A robot won't say offensive things to a customer or get its feelings hurt by a customer. A robot won't show up for work sick, spreading germs throughout your workforce and to your customers.
The fast food industry has already begun to replace humans with automation. Have you seen the new automated beverage dispensers? When an order is placed, it fills the right sized cup with the perfect amount of ice and the right kind of beverage every time.
I suspect that these foolish strikes and protests will only hasten the inevitable.
But will y'all hold up in the stretch?
Equality of opportunity (which clearly have in the US) may not deliver equality of results.
Trying to legislate equal outcomes is ridiculous. Note - to succeed economically you might have to leave your comfort zone. It might be difficult.
Eventually, the price of labor will hit the point where the workers will be replaced by machines. McATMs, anybody?
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