Oh puhleez.....quit trying to defend your personal agenda with any taken out of context quote and example you can find. Really funny that "the holy city" paper allowed this drivel to be published....at least now I won't feel bad lining the bottom of the bird cage with it....
Chris, I don't see anywhere in Wolverton's article it mentioning that players wear bracelets with scripture or write scripture on their wrist to curry favor with God. It seems that you are speculating as to why they wear it. In the future you might want to consider interviewing the players about why they wear scripture verses on their gear, instead of writing why you think they wear it.
an error occurred...what did you do route it through healthcare.gov?
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For those thinking I made a leap of faith regarding the Clemson football team's belief that God is on their side — or that they can do things to curry the Lord's favor — I ask you to revisit this quote from Wolverton's piece:
"Dozens of other players also display signs of faith. Many wear orange and purple wristbands inscribed with Bible verses, which one player's parents bought for the whole team. Others have biblical references on their Twitter bios. 'Don't follow me, follow Jesus," says the page of one Clemson recruit.
Game days are awash in religious ritual. Players mark their faces with crosses, write inspirational messages on their wrist tape ('Blessed'), and kneel together in groups to pray."
At the very least, these players adorn their bodies in Xian iconography and Biblical passages for good luck or they actually believe that these symbols and rituals prove their devotion to the Lord and, as such, the team's faith should be reciprocated into a victory.
Particularly telling is this statement from former Clemson coach Tommy Bowden on the matter (http://tommybowden.com/clemson-vs-georgia-…
"Most of the college football world watched the exciting, down to the wire, Clemson vs Georgia football game on TV Saturday night. Many Christian sports enthusiasts know that the two Head Coaches are professing Christians that are not ashamed to take a stand publicly. Both of these men will speak at various faith based events during the off season. This leads me to the question that people ask all the time, 'Does God care about football games and how does he pick which Christian coach should win?'"
That question that Bowden is asked is particularly telling: "Does God care about football games and how does he pick which Christian coach should win?" The implication here, at least among the Christians who have asked Bowden this question, is that God will regularly grant a victory to a Christian coach over a non-believer simply bc the coach is a Christian.
What "Clemsoning" means is up for some debate. I side with Urban Dictionary, by and large, which offers up several different defintions: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?…
A. 1. The act of failing miserably on a grand athletic stage, or when the stakes are high. 2. Record-setting failure, usually reserved for college football.
B. 1. When you are widely favored to succeed and instead crash & burn. 2. Failing miserably and/or by a wide margin 3. Horribly embarrassing yourself in front of loved ones and strangers alike. 4. Having multiple records broken against you in front of a large audience.
C. The act of delivering an inexplicably disappointing performance, usually within the context of a college football season.
Here's another source discussing the term:
The above definition [C. above] pretty much sums up Clemson football over the last decade, as the Tigers are routinely ranked very highly in the Preseason Top 25 only to disappoint in the fall. And when Clemson finally broke through for the school’s first BCS bowl last season, the Tigers “Clemsoned” all over themselves in a 70-33 loss to West Virginia in the Orange Bowl. (http://www.lostlettermen.com/clemsoning-en…)
The type of "Clemsoning" that several of you refer to seems to in reference to Clemson's tendency, especially under Danny Ford/Ken Hatfield, to win the big games and then lose to a vastly inferior team. But that is not the popular meaning of the term.
Also, you're badly misinformed about what is the act of "Clemsoning."
Chris, generally I love your columns. I'm also far from a Bible thumper. That said, this was wretched. Yeah, I read that CHE feature when it went viral last Friday. It was a fluff piece for Clemson fans to rally around and point to as a means of holding themselves and their team (to which they mostly have no real connection) in higher esteem. However, I didn't gather that Clemson was claiming it's success was entirely dependent upon divine intervention, or that they had curried some sort of favor with the Almighty. Moreover, where have you heard Dabo or any Clemson player proclaim God is the reason they've been so successful, or conversely blame God for their failures? That's a leap you took, and had the perfect platform for using to bash the team's ideals once they'd failed.
We get it. The thinly veiled message in the lead makes clear your motivation: personal atheism — or perhaps simply a distaste for organized religion. Was this really the best opportunity to launch your crusade, though? Was this the right moment to spring up with that long withheld, smug "Haha! See, I told you all there was no God!" You know Chris, maybe there is no God, and maybe most born-agains are bunch of obtuse, hypocritical and hateful anti-intellectuals, but what satisfaction could you truly derive from pointing out their flaws and fallacies of reason? Telling an idiot he's an idiot won't make him stop being an idiot. Moreover, what do you get for being right in this instance? Eternal satisfaction? Nope. Doing this the way you did and when you did was nothing more than a cruel ambush. It makes you appear a sniveling back-shooter.
You write for a living, yet 5 seconds into reading this garbage, I see an error! Typical coot!
The term "Clemsoning" began well before the Orange Bowl. I should know - been a faithful Tiger since I can remember. Not only that, it refers to a team losing games it should win - not losing "big games."
Ned Hill is right also - Dabo's $2 million salary is not paid from tax payer dollars. It is paid by donors. Perhaps you've heard of IPTAY?
Aside from that, this article is still absolutely absurd.
This is just all forms of ridiculous. Dabo has NEVER once turned a player away because of their religion. Jamie Harper was a Jehova's Witness and treated him the same. I know for a fact that there have been players on that team that were Muslim and Jewish and Dabo treated them the same. Yes, Dabo prides himself in being a Christian, but that's who the man is. You don't have to like Clemson or Dabo, but this form of disrespect is just uncalled for. And the reason why I know these things are because I was on that team.
I'm sure the strategic plan of the program is to overall win games. A few losses do not constitute their coaching styles soley relying on faith for wins. Your poorly written liberal jab at the coach, players and program negatively reflects your education and overall ability to progress from a writing career any further away from the free "City Paper."
I am a graduate of Clemson University and NEVER have I EVER heard anyone connected with the school or the football team even hint that they expected to win a football game because God was on their side...find some other vehicle/fantasy to try and peddle your real agenda of "Christian bashing". Hope Dabo continues for many years teaching these young men that there is something bigger than football in the world....
Golden Ratio - You are ignorant and foolishly & grossly misinformed. I'm not sure how small schools fund athletics, but NCAA Division I athletic programs do not spend a penny of taxpayer money. Athletics at schools like Clemson & South Carolina are privately funded via massive TV contracts for football & basketball (ESPN, etc.), ticket sales, licensing agreements & merchandise sales, and concessions. Most athletic scholarships are funded by booster clubs like IPTAY and the Gamecock Club. Funding for large capital projects like athletic facilities is provided via bonds re-paid out of the aforementioned athletic department revenues and booster club donations. In fact, Clemson's athletic department actually gives millions to the university every year. I think last year the athletic department gave the university over $2.5 million. Thanks to Clemson athletics countless small business owners in the Clemson area and larger corporations in the greater area make millions in extra revenues & profits. Home values in the area are very healthy, which funds arguably the best high school in SC, D.W. Daniel.
Chris, the biggest mistake in Clemson history was new president Max Lennon not understanding southern football culture and firing Danny Ford. Administrators after Lennon also deemphasized athletics, which has led to the decline of Clemson's overall athletic success. But our recent run of failure against USC falls on one person - Dabo. Tommy Bowden had the same overt Christian philosophy and he successfully turned the program around following its decline post Ford. Unfortunately, he never successfully replaced Rich Rodriguez as offensive coordinator. That resulted in the program hitting a plateau, but he owned USC while he was head coach. The true irony of Dabo's failures against USC is the fact that he mainly got the permanent head coaching job because Clemson beat USC in 2008. I wasn't a TB fan, and I'm not a big fan of Dabo either. Danny Ford is a Christian, but he spewed fire & brimstone of his own variety (laced with plenty of profanity and colorful metaphors) when he ran the program. Playing nice (Bowden & Dabo) and playing a soft style of football (Oregon has the same trouble beating physical old school teams) will not win championships and won't beat physically tougher teams. Clemson has actually out recruited USC over the years, but coaching is more important than recruiting, and USC is currently beating Clemson thanks to a tougher style of football and better coaching. Until we get a head coach that understands big boy football, toughness, and the importance of a solid offensive line, we'll continue to see Clemson stomp weaker less talented teams while looking silly against tougher and better coached teams, even when they have less talent. I'm not pleased, but have accepted this is how things are going to be for the near future. One thing to help us through these tough years is knowing we actually won the national championship (I was there!) which USC is still not close to doing, and we still have a huge lead in the overall series. Let them have their due. The sun can't shine on the same dogs ass all the time. They still suck and their luck will turn.
Just wrong on all accounts here....no 'writer' should ever 'use' this kind of journalism! I will never subscribe to this paper.
12 Apostles, 12 on a football team. Get it? Tigers aren't mentioned in the Bible, Gamecocks are. Remember the chicken curse? Now it's Clemsoning. The media and entertainment industries are generally atheistic. So are many academicians. Also world class hypocrites. But then so are we all. Christians who are really true to their faith do not make good hedonist. And good hedonist are good consumers. You know, the kind of people who provide the market for the products and services that advertise in the CCP. That is not to say Chris is wrong about proselytizing. What Dabo is saying is that if you are Jewish, Muslim, agnostic, atheist, etc., Clemson doesn't want you on the team. And that's just not fair..
As to separation of church and state. Last time I looked, charity was a religious virtue. When the state starts providing for the poor, the lame, the sick; is that not charity?
Last time I checked, Clemson is a state school with a head coach making upwards of 2 million dollars (per year) in tax-payer money. Although I wasn't asked my opinion of how my tax dollars are spent, I certainly think that winning football games should be the coach's first or second priority - along with molding his players into respectable, thoughtful men. In no way should the coach (or any state employee) be focused on bringing players closer to god/jesus with my tax dollars. I know the line separating church and state is often non-existent in South Carolina (and much of the south), but for football fans everywhere, Clemson needs to start focusing more on the 12 games each year rather than the 12 apostles.
God is at it again.
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