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Comment Archives: Stories: News+Opinion: Haire of the Dog

Re: “In light of the Citadel 'ghost' photos, who gets to decide if an act is racially offensive?

Pronghorn,
Thank you for your response. I'm not quite sure what you mean about joining me....at the restaurant you mentioned. Is that a serious offer? It seems like it could be sarcasm or some sort of challenge for a confrontation. Your post about pornography doesn't quite tell me what "side" you are on, either.

My meaning, in case it wasn't clear, was to join me (to counter-protest) the next time one of these incidents occur....prompting (what I perceive) another community outrage aimed at racism. I apologize if my meaning wasn't clear.

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Posted by gentlemanandscholar on December 19, 2015 at 9:17 AM

Re: “In light of the Citadel 'ghost' photos, who gets to decide if an act is racially offensive?

chrishaire,
Thank you for your reply. Of course I respect your opinion but I provided several citations which support my opinion. You have not.

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Posted by gentlemanandscholar on December 19, 2015 at 9:09 AM

Re: “In light of the Citadel 'ghost' photos, who gets to decide if an act is racially offensive?

Very thought provoking article Haire. Allow me to share some:

1. Ahhhh. {turns over shot glass on the bar} Cheers and Merry Christmas to the Charleston City Paper Comments Section.

2. Yeah, that watermelon's not looking so sinister today.

3. Great article on the history of political correctness (the term) from WaPo's The Fix. I think it was yesterday. Term first used to describe life in Stalin's USSR. Close cousin to Orwell's Newspeak. I think all ideas must be expressed, including the hateful, or people explode. We cannot and should not ever try to come to any consensus about which words are to be banned, anymore than we should agree which books are to be burned.

4. People who cannot handle comments sections are weak minded and insecure about their ideas and beliefs. The reaction they are having is fear. They are the type of people who want thought to be controlled.

5. The name of of the game is "gotcha". The twitterazzi are waiting to pounce on any mistake and force shame and economic ruin. I think much of Trump's success can be attributed to the joy the public is finding in his upending of the consensus press narrative. The same reporters who hate comments sections assure us that THIS TIME is the time Trump falls, as we watch him continue to rise.

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Posted by Fish Pimp on December 18, 2015 at 8:00 PM

Re: “In light of the Citadel 'ghost' photos, who gets to decide if an act is racially offensive?

"(In case you might want to join me sometime instead of just posting comments!)"

I'd love to join you. Folly Road Huddle House™?

Posted by Pronghorn on December 18, 2015 at 2:44 PM

Re: “In light of the Citadel 'ghost' photos, who gets to decide if an act is racially offensive?

Ladies and gentlemen, you have now seen the clearest case of White Man Denialism ever presented in these comments.

He even gave sources and shit.

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Posted by mat catastrophe on December 18, 2015 at 1:11 PM

Re: “In light of the Citadel 'ghost' photos, who gets to decide if an act is racially offensive?

Gentleman,

Shaun King is black. His mother had an affair and he's the product of that affair.

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Posted by chrishaire on December 18, 2015 at 8:55 AM

Re: “In light of the Citadel 'ghost' photos, who gets to decide if an act is racially offensive?

As you may see, I have been interested in our community's .....ummm....reaction to events? I have much more information with A LOT of research and citations to back it up. I won't bore y'all with any more. Many will disagree with much of my postings but there is A LOT that is well supported. You will notice in the middle of the long comment that there are a couple lines ....
"Officer Slager trying to detain Mr. Scott

Officer Slager fighting for his life (Mr. Scott on top)"

They are accompanied by photos that did not transfer when I pasted. They can be found under a search (Google for me)....."Andy Savage more evidence later"
Look in the "Images"...once you get past all the pictures of Mr Scott in his Coast Guard uniform and all his other "sweet" pictures you can find the pictures of the fight.

Thank you for your consideration,

Scott Garland, USAF, Retired
s garland 1962 yahoo

(In case you might want to join me sometime instead of just posting comments!)

(If someone can clue me in as to how I can post replies to other commenters.....I would appreciate it.)

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Posted by gentlemanandscholar on December 18, 2015 at 8:03 AM

Re: “In light of the Citadel 'ghost' photos, who gets to decide if an act is racially offensive?

I was the only person at The Citadel on Friday and received much support from passersby. I was also at The Citadel for the news conference and the Marriott last night. Al Sharpton had a meeting with the Conference of National Black Churches after the news conference.
You may have seen some of the news coverage but the media left out several pertinent things that were said by NAN (National Action Network).
Al Sharpton spoke at The Citadel last night. He said that there were numerous racial incidents at the college but he could only cite a single shooting back in 1992 (He said it was in the 80’s). The student who shot Mr. Byrd was tried and sentenced. The perpetrator always claimed it was an accident and there was never any indication that it was racially motivated.
James Johnson spoke Friday. He said that the students were dressed in robes...the pictures clearly show that the students were in pants!
Mr. Johnson also made another GLARINGLY OBVIOUS untruth....he claimed that only 1% of Citadel students are "minority"...The Citadel website has a demographics page (thankfully!). It states that 499 out of 2291 are minority (22%).
Both Mr. Sharpton and Mr. Johnson have used the shooting of Walter Scott by Officer Michael Slager as more evidence of the rampant racism in Charleston. Unfortunately, this is still awaiting trial and the investigation is ongoing.
The video of the shooting has been enhanced to show more detail by the FBI and photos taken prior to the video are available (taken by the person who took the video). They all show Mr. Scott and Officer Slager struggling on the ground.
Something that frequently comes up when I discuss this case is that Mr. Scott was "running away" so he should not have been shot. My answer to this is that Mr. Scott had just violently fought with a police officer....which is felony assault on a police officer. He had already attempted to flee/resist arrest….misdemeanors. Our police force is not paid/allowed/expected to let criminals just get away. Some have said that he was not a danger to the officer or to the public. That is impossible to predict...especially after he assaults a law officer...why would he hesitate to take a hostage or carjack someone? (What if was your daughter he carjacked/took hostage) Some have said that he was unarmed. How was Officer Slager supposed to know Mr. Scott at the time? The definition of unarmed is specific to guns and knives (in general) but again…what if your child was in his vicinity…and he only had his brute strength….want him attacking child…even without a “weapon”?

Officer Slager trying to detain Mr. Scott

Officer Slager fighting for his life (Mr. Scott on top)
Slager/Scott Citations
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-slager…
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/0…
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/walter-sc…
EXCESSIVE FORCE (also known as “Rule of law abuse”)
"There’s no concrete definition of excessive force. Police have to use force to subdue suspects every day. Reasonable levels of force are guessed by cops on the street, second-guessed by police review boards and sometimes tested in civil lawsuits and criminal prosecutions on a case-by-case basis.
Excessive force is a slippery metaphor: experts say it’s any force beyond what’s necessary to arrest a suspect and keep police and bystanders safe. There are some moves, like choke holds, which are altogether barred in certain jurisdictions. 'Excessive’ will have different meanings in different jurisdictions,' says Mark Henriquez, project manager for the National Police Use of Force Database Project at the International Association of Chiefs of Police."
Any sentence may be handed down....including probation. Recently an 18 month sentence was handed down in a Huntsville, Alabama case of excessive force. The article states that Federal sentencing guidelines are 27-33 months. This shows that police officers are held accountable.
http://whnt.com/2015/12/02/former-huntsvil…

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Posted by gentlemanandscholar on December 18, 2015 at 7:47 AM

Re: “In light of the Citadel 'ghost' photos, who gets to decide if an act is racially offensive?

Again, I apologize for the short post but this deserves my laptop's morning opening rather than trying to talk to my phone. That said, I'm still in test mode, so I will address the Post and Courier comments section. I have stopped using the P&C because when I try to get on there they want to charge me $8.25 to read their stories....and comment. Not happening!

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Posted by gentlemanandscholar on December 18, 2015 at 7:44 AM

Re: “In light of the Citadel 'ghost' photos, who gets to decide if an act is racially offensive?

I have a good bit to say about this but I need to make sure that I'm going to be able to post since this is my first time on this site forgive me if I just use this as a test

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Posted by gentlemanandscholar on December 18, 2015 at 7:30 AM

Re: “In light of the Citadel 'ghost' photos, who gets to decide if an act is racially offensive?

If I've learned anything from white people the past couple years, especially the men, it's that they are the most persecuted group on the face of the earth. And pointing out their racism actually makes you the racist.

The death rattle of Caucasianity is annoying as shit.

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Posted by Ron Liberte on December 15, 2015 at 10:32 PM

Re: “In light of the Citadel 'ghost' photos, who gets to decide if an act is racially offensive?

Ah, if only our Founding Fathers had displayed the wisdom of today's flavorful article and its writer. Clearly, majority rules - instead of that pesky Electoral College - would've served the interests of the citizens much better.

We could still have slavery! Women would still probably not be allowed to vote. And good, Caucasian men everywhere could maintain the status quo to their liking. Alas.

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Posted by Leo Hernandez on December 15, 2015 at 7:06 PM

Re: “In light of the Citadel 'ghost' photos, who gets to decide if an act is racially offensive?

This is moot because of where there this video took place in a city recently victimised by racial violence, in an institution such as the Citadel which has worked to be inclusive regardless of race or sex.
It is not what they (or Haire) say now or do claim to be upon exposure of said video, ie.
I'm representative of my military historical Southern institution whose past might be riddled with racial/sexual bias,etc. but if you see me dressed like a member of the KKK do not be silly & jump to a conclusion based on me, my school.
I am not a racist I just like to dress like one...

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Posted by Maura Hagarty on December 15, 2015 at 7:02 PM

Re: “In light of the Citadel 'ghost' photos, who gets to decide if an act is racially offensive?

"The Post and Courier used to be a notorious hotbed of hot troll-on-troll action, but these days, the daily's comments sections are as quiet as the after-midnight Upper King Street of Joe Riley's dreams."
Because the P and C comments are no longer anonymous.

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Posted by TROLLSLAYER on December 15, 2015 at 5:52 PM

Re: “In light of the Citadel 'ghost' photos, who gets to decide if an act is racially offensive?

"Much like pornography, determining what is racist and what isn't is subjective"

You're welcome for the metaphor.

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Posted by Pronghorn on December 15, 2015 at 3:28 PM

Re: “In light of the Citadel 'ghost' photos, who gets to decide if an act is racially offensive?

Charleston WV. Shaun King is black, Rachel Dolezal is not and never will be.

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Posted by chrishaire on December 15, 2015 at 2:47 PM

Re: “In light of the Citadel 'ghost' photos, who gets to decide if an act is racially offensive?

One can put on a white pillow case and sing a Christmas song and no one should be offended. One can put on a white pillow case and sing a song in front of a mirror, and unless this hooded person takes a selfie and sends it off, then no one should be offended. But eight people putting on pillow cases and looking at seven others doing the same and nothing seems offensive to any one in the group???? Perhaps those eight singing fools should continue their education at a slower-track school.

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Posted by Kimberly Hogan Hambric on December 15, 2015 at 2:45 PM

Re: “In light of the Citadel 'ghost' photos, who gets to decide if an act is racially offensive?

Different perspective doesn't automatically translate into bigotry or, take a gasp, racism. Unfortunate many people are looking to be offended and regardless of the "truth" wish to use most of these incidents to demonize the perpetrator and to, in theory often, to advance their various agendas.

One wonders what the writer opinion is in cases like Rachel Dolezal or Shaun King (BLM) where white people masquerade as black people. In those cases is acceptable (or sane) to not care about the truth and be, as the writer says,"just polite"? In our society the "cause" often trumps the"truth".

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Posted by Charleston Weather Vane on December 15, 2015 at 2:25 PM

Re: “Similar fears drive today's college protestors and the disenfranchised right

My head just exploded. zee, could you make that longer.

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Posted by Answer Man on December 15, 2015 at 1:51 PM
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