I love a good Swedish Death Metal reference. Well done, Haireball.
"But his wife was not and as the investigation has progressed they have found evidence that she was radicalized before entering the country and that he was radicalized before he even met her. It sounds like she would have been a very good candidate to say, hold on, we're not so sure we can let you in here."
If they had been "radicalized" for years, why did our amazing security programs not prevent this tragedy? I thought we were going further into debt as a nation so we could fund bloated military and domestic surveillance programs to prevent these types of things from happening.
Seems like the FBI has been too busy trying to set up specious sting operations of mentally questionable people to get more funding (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/0…) instead of working to prevent actual terrorist threats.
"It sounds like she would have been a very good candidate to say, hold on, we're not so sure we can let you in here. And, if we are letting you in because you are married to a citizen, we might need to take a look at him."
I thought you guys were all about getting Big Government out of the way.
"Syed Farook was born in the United States."
Yes, he was. But his wife was not and as the investigation has progressed they have found evidence that she was radicalized before entering the country and that he was radicalized before he even met her. It sounds like she would have been a very good candidate to say, hold on, we're not so sure we can let you in here. And, if we are letting you in because you are married to a citizen, we might need to take a look at him.
"In 1924 and 1926.."
Yes, we know you want to live in the past where white men got to do whatever they wanted with impunity and minorities and foreigners knew their place.
"it says temporarily ban entry to the country for people of that religion until we can figure out the best way to make sure they are not trying to get in to harm us."
Syed Farook was born in the United States. How could we have made sure he didn't get in to the country from his mother's womb? Conservatives oppose abortion.
"In 1924 and 1926, partly in response to pressure from labor unions, Congress put in place the first comprehensive quota systems to limit immigration into the U.S.
For the next 40 years, from 1925 to 1965, the United States had a relatively restrictive immigration policy, which allowed 200,000 people into the country annually, on average.
Demographers sometimes call this period “the Great Pause,” although at the time, most Americans thought of it as permanent."
"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on."
Maybe he said it somewhere else that I haven't seen but this doesn't say to get rid of the Muslims that are in the country, I have done a couple of searches and can't find anything where he said that. And that doesn't say ban the religion, it says temporarily ban entry to the country for people of that religion until we can figure out the best way to make sure they are not trying to get in to harm us.
Oops. Thanks, Prong. I will change that.
"Blanket ban", Chris.
Once again, Trump is calling for a ban on all Muslims, regardless of citizenship. That would include his good buddy Muhammed Ali, Shaq, Kareem, and countless others. The man knows little about the Constitution and cares about it even less.
Be prudent on who you allow in. I'm not going to argue with that. But Trump has proposed a blanket ban on a religion.
We are a nation of laws but they apply to citizens of the country and to residents that we have allowed to come in, and for whatever cockamamie reason in most cases to residents who are here illegally. They do not apply to folks who are not here yet. That is not to say that we need to ignore our principles for non citizens or people who are not in the country but allowing just anyone in is not part of that. We have a screening process that already works towards that goal but we know that it has weaknesses. Strengthen the screening process and then everyone can feel more safe and secure.
Being prudent on who you do allow to enter the country is not a bad or racist thing. Looking at a population that has a subset that have expressed a desire to wreak some form of havoc and not letting that subset into the country has nothing to do with emotion. It has to do with saying let's be on the safe side.
We are a nation that is governed by laws, not emotions. And one of those laws protects religious belief and speech. I personally like that law. Same goes for the Second Amendment and all the others. They make us what we are, and I'm not willing to just toss those away because somebody is frightened.
Personally, I think the fear of a near constant threat of mutually assured destruction was a lot more frightening that a potential attack from an ISIS sympathizer. But I get it. Today's Americans are a perpetually paranoid and pants shitting lot these days.
So if he just said ban everyone from countries that just happen to be populated with and run by Muslims that would be ok. Don't worry about the radicalized Muslims like the citizens of France and Belgium that perpetrated the attack in Paris if they want to come in because they are not from a war torn country.
I think it is funny that everyone is going ape shit over him saying this when all he is saying is to stop letting people into this country who identify with a religion that a small but significant portion want to kill us until we make sure that we know they do not want to kill us. People seem to be ignoring the part after "until" in his statement. Trump says plenty of stupid shit, his words don't need to be twisted and misinterpreted to demonstrate that.
If one in four people who identify with a certain a religion (I do think that number is dubious but even if it is one in ten that is enough to raise concern) have expressed an opinion that violent acts against Americans are acceptable that is something to consider. It just might not be a bad idea to make sure that if we are letting someone in they are in the three out of four (or nine in ten) majority and not part of the minority.
Some of the "until" stuff is already being proposed by Senator Harry Reid. He wants to "provide technical assistance to European nations to screen migrants from war-torn parts of the Middle East that have flooded that continent" and "prevent people on the terrorists "no-fly" list from being able to buy a gun" and "strengthen the visa waiver program so ISIS fighters can't access the program and travel to our country." Trump has given, as is typical, no details but I would think that things like this would be on the table.
THE ONLY WAY TO KEEP AMERICA SAFE IS FOR ALL OF US TO LEAVE.
Nope. A faith is not limited to a nation. Trump's ban would affect all Muslims, regardless of nation of origin or status as American citizens.
Isn't this pretty much the same as when Jimmy Carter banned Iranians from entering the country during the hostage crisis?
I've never seen an argument about music on this Internet before. I like how productive and rational it is. Count me in, guys.
First a call to put the Muslims into camps and now this!! Where will it end? This happened EXACTLY in Nazi Germany in ww2!! How can people with a brain support this person? YOUR TRAITORS TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, because a CNN/ALEX JONES poll of 700 people (mostly CNN EXECUTIVES).
First the MUSLIMS, THEN THE JEWS, THEN THE CHRISTIANS, and then the WITCHES...This is what will happen next surely. Remember how the patriot act was just supposed to target the MUSLIMS at first but then it was implemented on EVERYONE'S smartphone/FACEBOOK air plane rides? This failed to stop random killers shooting up churches somehow... YET they made TRILLIONS skinning the American people for information, as they sold your PERSONAL FACEBOOK MESSAGES/LOCATIONS to the CORPORATIONS to use so that they could target your children in your homes when your at work to educate them against you.
Slowly but surely our government resembles the government of CHINA more and more. SPIRITUALITY WILL BE ILLEGAL AND EXECUTED. There is already comparisons between RADICAL ISLAM and the Jews/CHRISTIANS. Ask the Buddist Tibetan monks. These KINGS OF WALLSTREET want to subject the people of earth (gods property) like CAESAR did and put it on payroll but they CANNOT without constant WAR. Just like the FALLEN AZTEC EMPIRE.
Judas killed Jesus but he still got paid right? The ROMAN EMPIRE COLLAPSED within 400 years completely to HOMELESS ROAMING MASSES as you know....Early forms of Christianity was later implemented as a last ditch attempt to save it by the SYRIAN EMPEROR CONSTANTINE. These values came too late to save it however, and the world plunged into DARKNESS until the rise of ISLAM. What are we paving the way for a second wave of destruction? History repeats itself. Any society that turns away from GODS LAW/ THE GOLDEN RULE FOR ALL LIVING CREATURES FADES OUT OF THE HISTORY BOOKS FOREVER. However we are at a later day and time....This time who will manage the NUCLEAR facilities when our CIVILIZATION collapses? This is SATAN, and a trick to further pervert/destroy the GARDEN OF EDEN (our earth). Anyone want a bite of the big apple?
The only option of winning support of the people of earth is the golden rule. You catch more flies with honey, and it is spiritual/physical LAW to every religion/person on earth. It is the GLUE THAT KEEPS OUR COUNTRY/WORLD TOGETHER. RADICAL ISLAM IS KILLING ISLAM OFF OF THE PLANET and this JACKASS MAFIA BANKER is unifying them once again by making the UNITED STATES a common enemy through WRECKLESS SPEECH. TALK ABOUT BENGHAZI!!! He'll put you all in camps later too (with the muslims) for having your own opinions... or being the SOUTHERN RACISTS they depict you as on CABLE TV.
The bankers have HEDGEmoney over the the united states, and they are all not even AMERICAN.
They (the bankers) want us to destroy ourselves (americans) so that they can rush in like heroes with a preplanned solution and bottled water. The WALL STREET MAFIA is running scared from the people of earth.... They then send our brothers and sisters to DIE or be injured in far off lands like IRAQ as they move their drug using enTITLEdchildren into YOUR houses on the Penninsula (as later only they can afford the taxes on it).
Apparently you SUPPORTERS OF THIS don't remember what all of those people on the YORKTOWN sacrificed their lives for.... FREEDOM. NOT THE HOLOCAUST or concentration camps for their children...
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