Also, Sherman and Grant were antisemites. Something the nazis obviously were. Judah P. Benjamin, a Jew, served at multiple top level positions for the confederacy.
No. The Deep South seceded because they feared the expansion of slavery was threatened. Slavery where it existed was not threatened as Lincoln said. The expansion of free vs slave states is misleading, though. Free meant free of blacks, literally. And free meant that the north's industrial economy could expand vs the South's agrarian one. Lincoln was a former railroad lobbyist, and was definitely pro northern economy. It wasn't a moral issue. He, like most Americans, was a racist. Tn, Va, NC seceded when Lincoln threatened to invade the Deep South because they recognized such a move as a tyrannical one. As our declaration proclaimed, any people had the right to alter or abolish government. It was okay vs the British, but suddenly was not okay when the South attempted to do the same thing vs the north. The constitution wasn't a blood oath. Lincoln militarily forced the South to remain in the union against its will much like the Soviet Union did with its empire. Lincoln did not want to lose the territory or the revenue. He was a military imposed dictator, on the South, at least.
This misquote from Mein Kampf is absurd! "[T]he individual states of the American Union ... could not have possessed any state sovereignty of their own. For it was not these states that formed the Union; on the contrary it was the Union which formed a great part of such so-called states."
The part after the ... is another paragraph where Hitler is talking about Germany. In truth Hitler recognized that the American States 1. have some historical basis for remaining Sovereign, 2. they have practical purpose in remaining Sovereign (be he didn't think the German States had such purpose) and 3. most importantly, under the Constitution they were entitled to remaining Sovereign.
More to the point.. Hitler wouldn't have invaded Austria if it refused to join Germany. BTW Austria voted 97% to join with Germany and given that the Soviet Union had plans to invade ALL of Europe, it was in both of their best interests.
True both Lincoln and Hitler wanted to dissolve the individual States in their respective countries and have a strong central government, but the circumstances are entirely different. What works for Germany doesn't necessarily work for the United States. Lincoln had a more European vision of America, which is not necessarily an immoral thing, but I would argue erroneous. What is bad about it is that it went against the majority of Americans will (including most northerners) and that he acted on by instigating an awful war. Adolf Hitler didn't instigate war on anyone, rather he was dragged into every conflict of WW2; but that is a discussion for another time.
Does jack hunter have a simple definition for treason? If so then I'm sure he will consider the south treasonous for initiating a civil war in order to protect the institution of slavery.
I'm hopeful that he will consider the confederate flag a symbol of treason.
If, at the end of the Civil War, millions of white men, women, and children had been transported to Africa and sold to work as slaves on palm sugar plantations under cruel black overseers who routinely debauched the women and tortured the men, it would have been simple justice. I'm not saying I would have supported such an action, though we see from this article that the lesson administered by defeat did not suffice to morally educate some of you in the Treason State. Obviously, Reconstruction wasn't adequate punishment. Something was needed like the comprehensive denazification that occurred in Germany after World War II.
It may not have been prudent of Denmark Vesey to plan an uprising (if that's what he actually did), but he had a perfect right to murder your ancestors in their beds since the behavior the whites effectively thrust South Carolina into a state of nature in which there was no law for anybody.
That means all the slave holders were terrorists for targeting innocent blacks for their pathetic agenda of making money and holding others hostage. This is ridiculous. These people were fighting for their God-given rights yet you call them terrorists? Give me a break. How about you live a life of slavery and then see how it feels to be treated less than human; like you're an animal.
If a group of Jewish concentration camp prisoners planned a revolt and needed to kill the families of their Nazi captors in order to successfully flee the camp and escape to freedom, would it be reasonable to smear those Jews as "terrorists"? What if the person accusing those murdered Jews happened to be a non-Jewish German? To call someone a terrorist is basically the worst kind of demonization possible in the post-9/11 United States. Now why would a white southern man in 2014 feel the need to fight back so hard against the memory of a long-dead black slave who dared to fight back? It's an interesting question. In any case, people have a responsibility to carefully consider the larger context of historical situations, as well as the current context and their own position within existing power structures, before making these kinds of claims.
The word is 'hanged,' not 'hung.' We will never truly know how many blacks were hanged without trial during the genocidal era of America's slave trade. After the mental-midget journalist returned home from Starbucks, he hung his corduroy pants.
Other than the price of gas going up and some things costing a little bit more I can not tell any difference from the USA I was born into 40 years ago and today...nothing...absolutely nothing has changed.
and don't forget the tyrant, Jefferson Davis.
Why do some people only want HALF truths to be told? So better include the other side of the story.
Lincoln a tyrant. and so was Davis if you use Lincoln as your example.
Davis violated habus corpus three times for a total of 1 1/2 years.
so did Lincoln
Davis declaired marshall law in various parts of the south for the entire war. So did Lincoln
Davis instituted conscripotion/draft and later forced men to belong. Lincoln did also BUT did not FORCE men to remain
Davis order out of the country anyone loyal to the union and failure to leave ion 40 days ment confiscation of your property and exzile to the north. Lincoln did this twice. Davis thru pout the south.
Davis ordered the Provost Guard to put down the unionist in east tenn and when done 5 civilians were hung and their familys jailed without trial.
Davis supported slavery as a fundemental state right. Lincoln did also.
As for a new confederacy it wont happen. If you use the previous one as an example, it became what it tried to leave. The states right issue died with confederate congressional and Davis promotion of,
1. limited censorship of the press
2. National FORCED conscription (draft)
3. Inability to control stragglers and desertion
4. National Marshall.
5. Violation by Davis of the writ of Habius Corpus
6. Allowing a Rich Poor class structure with political office only held by rich land and slave owners.
7. Income Tax on the nation
8. Failure to attempt any form of E.P.
Dog gone shame when the facts get in the way of revision.
Treason? Traitors? Yet not one Confederate was convicted of treason. Anyone who honestly thinks it was treason(not the clowns just spouting rhetoric), and the North just let it go for the sake of reconciliation, something I've heard the Lincolnites say, read up on the trial of Jefferson Davis. He was held for over two years while prosecutor after prosecutor and special councils read over the case for treason. Davis demanded a trial, but the Yanks had no case, and admitted such. Now the Feds were looking for a way to avoid trying Davis without vindicating the South. Quite an interesting story that seldom gets taught.
You are incorrect. There are only two secession declarations that mention slavery as a reason for secession: South Carolina and Mississippi. Yet slavery was older as the republic. Virginia mentioned slaveholding states were not being treated as equals in the Union.
The first seven states to secede were all heavy cotton exporting states. In 1860 the House passed the Morrill Tariff which raised taxes international trading states had to pay from around 18% to about 45%.
Mississippi stated in its secession declaration that the South had lost control of the government, which was abundantly clear in the election of Lincoln. There was little doubt the North's agenda of imposing crippling taxes on the South could no longer be blocked.
The Upper South did not declare secession until after Lincoln called for troops to invade the states that had seceded. These states had slavery, but were not as dependent on international trade. Slavery was not the reason for their secession. Lincoln's unconstitutional call for troops to force the states back into the Union was.
Lincoln called for troops to maintain the Union, not to end slavery. In his first inaugural he endorsed the Corwin Amendment which would prohibit the federal government from interfering with slavery, and stated he would only invade if the seceding states did not collect the new Morrill Tariff.
The Union was joined voluntarily. It was an agreement among the states. States had the right (States' Rights) to leave it and resume full sovereignty. Virginia, Rhode Island, and New York all reserved the right to leave the Union, if it became a danger to the liberty of the people of their states, when they ratified the Constitution. Since the states had the right to leave the Union, there was no treason in secession.
The other 13th Amendment is the Corwin Amendment. Google "Lincoln endorsed Corwin Amendment." The amendment passed under Buchanan and sent to the states for ratification in 1860. Lincoln endorsed it in his first inaugural saying he had no objection to permanently protecting slavery in the states, where it existed, through this amendment.
This is delicately worded claptrap. Revisionists can (and do) claim many things, but they lack facts. Documents (widely available on the internet) are quite clear about the reason for the war: slavery. These documents go on to chronicle how the Confederate Congress drafted people, declared martial law, and suspended habeas corpus. A "Lincoln was more like Hitler than Jefferson" argument contains more than a touch of delusion. War is hell, and we should learn lessons from it rather than try to revise what happened.
I really don't understand why people argue about the past and who was right and who was wrong. What does it matter now? Besides, I don't think anyone who is alive now was around in 1861. To know what really happened back then it matters which books you read. There was no YOU TUBE back then to record everything that happened.
Jack Hunter is incompetent. Marcus Sanford has voted for war crime spending and borrowing from China to keep the insanity going, paying for Chinese air craft carriers with our interest payments on such debts.. ... attacking Social Security benefits by the pennies WHILE SPENDING TRILLIONS on endless polluter oil wars and impeaching Clinton for the lies about sex Sanford was GUILTY OF AT THAT VERY TIME is not a person Jack Hunter should be spreading "conservative" lies for....the forked tongue calling social programs "welfare" & war crime spending anything but CORPORATION FASCIST MEGA WELFARE must end out of the mouths of City Paper & other voices... I am still shocked how stupid people can be ignoring the facts about BOTH REPUBLICANS LuLu and Marcus... and censoring hapless Green Eugene Platt ices the cake of dupoply... 4 people illegally voted inside this Congressional District to keep me off the ballot from 100 miles away... CONSERVATIVES & liberals alike ought to defend the Constitution and the ONE MAN ONE VOTE dicta settled law since the sixties.... but, I'm not going to sue anyone in that room as do many "parties" in this state for the flimsiest of "reasons" such as BALLOTgate 2012 where 225 of us were thrown off Dem & GOP ballot lines by the corrupt gangsters of South Carolina courts.... I"ve been busy traveling the nation to rally NEW PROGRESSIVES and peace activists to END THE WAR CONGRESS IN 2014 @LarryAccomplish 843-926-1750 Larry_Carter_Center@yahoo.com Larry Carter Center For Congress 2014
As always, very well-stated. Thank you, Jack!
All the best. We can make a rational, non-churchy conservatism in the USA. Though I'm not sure we can do it before the US defaults on our national debt. But that's for another day.
You will be missed. As I read this article, I could hear your voice speaking the words. For a minute there, I caught myself making sure that I was not going to hit any car, just like in the mornings when you were on the radio. Keep up the fight and call a spade a spade. Thank you!
When the day comes that the GOP is no longer seen as the party of war; when its default positions are no longer based on church doctrines; and when Lindsey Graham and John McCain are viewed as outsiders....Jack will be among those to thank.
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