$190,000 over ten years for a roustabout is good money, that's how much you know about our business Shelly. There are times that business gets so hard we don't even get paid, but the animals are cared for. See, you just don't know the industry well enough to write a book about it. You see one side. It is also illegal for a truck driver to be on the road for more than 8 hours at a time, as far as circuses that travel by truck, which all but RBBB do. Give me an example of a train going non-stop for 23 hours please. My God, woman spend some time and actually learn what you are writing about.
If animals in a circus were such an abomination, the courts would have ruled differently in the Feld case. It was a frivolous lawsuit. It's not over, Feld is going after the HSUS and other groups. I'm sure this court case has set precedent in revealing what these so called animal rights groups are all about. Seperating unsuspecting people from their money. It's a known fact that Wayne Pacelle of HSUS doesn't even like animals.
When will this cult madness ever end.
A bike lane used by a couple dozen people at the most slows traffic for the thousands of cars that go over that bridge every day. Not sure this is the best idea.
Improving the infrastructure for pedestrians and cyclists is vital for the growth of the city. If you want to bring in and keep educated professionals in the technology and medical fields these changes are what they demand, added greenspace and alternative transportation.
Golden Ratio ---- This is common progressive stupidity. A total lack of logic. You love catchy slogans during elections to demonize the logic of those on the right. Things like "clean air and water" and talk about "safety" and caring about old people, kids, women, etc. etc.. But there is no true safety. The world is a dangerous place. And in the real world, the macro economic world, common sense and cost benefit analysis are critical. We could tax the top 80% every penny they earn and enforce the strictest laws in the word, but people will still die. More people die from knives and baseball bats every year than assault rifles.
A classic House,MD quote is about car safety. He said ... "if politicians were serious about auto safety they'd outlaw seat belts and mount a sword facing the driver's head. No one would ever drive over 5 MPH." ..... But you see the absurdity in that, yes?
It's equally absurd to make bad traffic worse by using a traffic lane for walkers and bikers that will barely get used once the novelty wears off in the name of safety. I predict it will cause more accidents. Liberals never ever anticipate the unintended consequences of their insane emotion driven "solutions". Liberal medicine is usually worse than the disease.
Millions die needlessly every year in 3rd world countries because America still stupidly bans DDT, which we now know is perfectly safe and still highly effective when diluted.
Yes, we needed the clean air and water act to get us where we are today following the industrial revolution, but the EPA really wasn't needed (thanks Nixon, damn neo-con) and today the EPA operates outside Constitutional and legislative oversight. The EPA is now a pawn of environmental groups and the far left. We spend billions every year to meet EPA standards that make no, to only marginal, increases in water and air quality. It's economic insanity.
Funny how none of you bike supporters are applauding my solution, which is better, faster, safer, more useful and practical, and infinitely cheaper than what the city is doing. Why? Because the left really doesn't care about real solutions. Progressives don't want progressive solutions to problems. They want old fashioned big gubment, inefficient, slow, wasteful, redistributive, and punishes people on the other side of the argument.
Animal abuse is a crime. Do you know how many exceptions there are to animal abuse laws? Let's start with any animal raised for food and any animal tested on in a laboratory. That's most animals in our country. Animal abuse laws are a grossly underdeveloped.
Third world countries have also outlawed the use of animal in military medical training (still happens here). If Seaworld and Ringling had the resources to care for the animals, would they all die so early?
The point of the post, Gary, is that the circus is no fun for animals. How many elephants go crazy and storm into audiences? How many elephants die prematurely due to stress, illness, and depression? Entertainment can be had WITHOUT the suffering of animals, so why not support this type of entertainment? What's to be gained by PROMOTING the use of animals (which could very easily lead to the abuse of animals) for profit. If Ringling and Cole were in the business of animal welfare, they wouldn't be parading them around the country in shiny costumes; they would be managing their care in a natural habitat and taking donations or charging admission fees to see them as elephants, not as perverse performers.
We can't do much in third world countries that might not have the experience or ability to handle a circus and animals in the first place. Many of the so called "sanctuaries" and so called "animal charities" are fund raising scams! ("Oh those poor animals" as seen in the TV commercials - and "...by the way send us money....")
In the USA we have several capable circuses, zoological parks, etc... that are more than capable of caring for elephants and furthering knowledge of animals in human care. Want to know more about animals? Talk to the experts like those at Ringling!
The animal "rights" people long ago LOST in selling their boycott of the circus to the public. Now they seek to bully the circus out of existence by dominating the internet hoping that if you see it on the internet, you'll believe it to be true.
Abuse of animals is a crime. If a crime is committed empirical evidence is required by a court of law.
Tell you what else I think is a crime...that the animal "do gooders" of forty years ago have evolved into an animal rights business that now bilk the public of donations money that most people think goes to animals.
In favor of circus and proud of it!
"....and with the proper, SAFE infrastructure it would ..."
The "would" is a fundamental part of the issue.
Charleston has discovered "alternative" transportation very, very late, and the bridge dependent typography limits the viable options to the lesser of bad choices.
The die was cast many years ago, and waiting for the service life to expire on the obsolete infrastructure is going to be long - so you may want to drop the sanctimony ("stop being so selfish and lazy") or it's going to seem much longer.
People who are hating on this article are hating on the animal welfare groups. Even if you hate ASPCA, HSUS, and PETA, can you still attest that the use and abuse of animals for entertainment is appropriate in a 'civilized' society when third world countries in Latin America have banned the practice? The circus is solely an attempt to profit off of the use of animals, who only suffer as a result. You want your kids to see lions and tigers and elephants oh my? Take them to a sanctuary (there are sanctuaries in Florida and Tennessee) or watch the Animal Planet to see them in their natural habitat. Even if you disagree with the beliefs, tactics, or spending choices of animal welfare organizations, there is nothing 'ok' about using animals in circuses.
Funny how Little Joe will do this downtown but here on James Island we can't even get sidewalks on our major thoroughfares.
This action needs to be applauded for the simple fact that it will safely connect the region west of the Ashley with downtown (and beyond) for those who do not drive vehicles. Whether by choice or by necessity, there are people who need to cross the river on foot or by bike, and they all deserve a safe route. People in motorized vehicles need a serious attitude adjustment since they have embraced a mentality that they own the roads, and that everyone else is second-class. This aggression must stop now; every life is equally important, regardless of how one chooses to travel on his/her day-to-day activities.
I feel one of the biggest issues completely lost on most people is how closely connected Charleston is (literally and figuratively). A quick Google search will show that from City Hall in downtown Charleston, it is actually a very short distance to most places west of the Ashley River....6 miles to Hwy 61 and Sam Rittenberg; 6 miles to Savannah Hwy and 526; 7 miles to Glen McConnell Pkwy and 526; 8 miles to Maybank and Main Road; 10 miles to Glen McConnell Pkwy and Bees Ferry. Even at a modest pace, all these locations can be reached in less than a hour via bicycle.
And no, that's not on a $3000 roadbike. A simple mountain bike from Wal-Mart or a $500 commuter bike will be just fine. Charleston is FLAT and with the proper, SAFE infrastructure it would be very easy for a lot more people to ditch the car and use a bike to get downtown. Is it something that people would do every day, no. But if everyone did it once or twice a week that would still make a HUGE positive impact on a variety of local issues. With the proper infrastructure, riding a bike is not nearly as difficult/annoying/cumbersome as many people (who are not actually riding bikes) claim it to be. To all of those people complaining, please stop being so selfish and lazy, and embrace the fact that Charleston is a beautiful city that is geographically ideal for biking.
I find most ironic that one writer speaks of repeating what Feld says, while repeating the rhetoric espoused by the uninformed animal rights activists. In a normal world, one would listen to people with experience and training in the area at question. It only shows how little PETA, HSUS and others ad hoc genus omni wish to know about animals, as their opinions have nothing to do with reality.
Sorry, make that "chained up in cramped facilities..."
Your accounting of the court case is partially inaccurate. No surprise: you're only repeating what Feld's people keep saying.
The Judge dismissed the case because of lack of standing, finding that the individual co-plaintiff lacked credibility. He also, and this was unfortunate, allocated attorney fees to Feld. The ASPCA settlement was for these legal fees, not because of the plaintiff being paid.
And the less than $190,000 paid to the co-plaintiff was spread out over 8 years, and funded his cross-country media campaign. After deducting expenses for this campaign, the amount the co-plaintiff had to call his own was about $260.00 a month.
I wouldn't call that a whole lot of money, would you? For ten+ years of litigation and traveling hundreds of thousands of miles, testifying in front of state legislature and congress, and speaking to unknown numbers of people?
The other groups are currently fighting the outrageous fees.
As for those elephants and their cushy stay in Florida: most spend most, if not all, of their time, chained up in barns. Do you all really consider that a good life? Seriously?
Those custom made train cars? Ringling Brothers custom makes _all_ of their train cars. As it is, the elephants are trained up in cramped facilities for up to 23 hours a day when traveling by train. Does this sound like a really good life? Seriously?
It's a shame that the The Greatest Show on Earth (144 years and counting) has to be subjected to people of mindless cults. Those who blindly follow dogmas of terrorist groups like PETA speak from no real experience around these animals under human care. They offer up the same rhetoric, never have their own thoughts and most don't do thorough investigations of the groups they are following. PETA euthanizes 2000 adoptable animals a year, ASPCA ,well the court case speaks for itself. These groups make money off of well-intended people who they brainwash into thinking they are doing something "right" for the animals. They use emotions to line their pockets whilst really doing nothing pro-active for the countless mistreated animals in the world. With all their power and all their money, we shouldn't have a homeless animal, there should more conservation of the species. We don't, we have poor unfortunate cultists protesting something they have no real familiarity with.
It seems to me that Ashley Smith doesn't know her elephants very well. Elephants are extremely tactile animals and have an amazing sense of touch. They are constantly touching each other in the wild, they can pick up a tiny flower with their trunks. They feel mosquitoes. They mourn their dead by touching every area of the carcass and bones! WOW! AND does she really believe these elephants have made the "decision" to "perform"? "The ones that express no interest in performing"-REALLY?! I doubt they are jumping up & down to be beaten by bullhooks, and yes, that is what a bullhook is for! OR chained, tied and forced to perform "tricks" that are painful & unnatural! Let's also expose the fact that 20 elephants died untimely, unnatural deaths in 11 years!! These include babies, 3 years of age and younger! Also Tuberculosis is a SERIOUS health issue!
BUT, I am VERY THANKFUL this was written! Thanks Paul, it was great talking to you and a surprise this posted so soon!!! Thank-you, at least the discussion has begun here in Charleston!
It is not rocket science that animal circuses are inherently cruel and barbaric. Children feel that something is not right- that's why they will always ask if the 'animals are okay?'. They can see the hopeless look in the animals' eyes just as well as we can.
We all know that tigers should not spend most of their lives in small cages. We know that elephants should not be broken as babies by being chained away from their mothers for weeks at a time, then beaten into standing on their heads in an arena in Dayton or Hoboken or Charleston for our 'amusement'.
It's time for the US to look beyond the fact that a corrupt corporation makes money from this awful practice- and finally ban it, just as SO many other countries already have done.
Kudos to the City Paper for this excellent article!
Long time coming, not sure if good or bad.
" I think it's remarkable that we've had 31 people speak in favor of the Legare retrofit, and the only people speaking in opposition are actually sitting here on council, " said Tom Bradford, acting chairman of Charleston Moves. "
Yes, Tom, those five councilmen are the only people in Charleston who oppose this action, there afre no others. Even the 56,000 motorists affected support this - - there are no others.
Oh well, then - - it's all good. Uncle Joe said it was free, don't cost nuthin'. My bad, I misread where the cost was to be 1.6 to 2 million dollars. And since Joe's man Herman said the volume of traffic has decreased almost three per cent in nine years, well, taking away a traffic lane to placate cyclists and walkers in Charleston is okay with me. Have at it you big bottomed birken stock wearin' earth cruiser riders.
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